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01-08-2012, 08:00 PM
I do my best to help others by posting what I can post but this doesn’t mean I post everything I know. Just like the forum owners and moderators that know exactly what goes on behind the scenes but do not post that information for valid reasons. I too do not post those comments for the same reasons.
But since you know what is going on behind the scenes and it was brought up why not post that information. I understand you simply can’t and that is partly what helps to makes this business so shady.
If prospective patients knew what went on behind the scenes there would be plenty of people looking for new jobs but I wouldn't be one of them.
01-08-2012, 10:01 PM
I think itís foolish to make assumptions about what I know goes on behind the scenes in this industry. But there is nothing I would like to see more than those that work in the industry or on the periphery to actually put aside the huge sums of money they are making and grow a set of balls and tell us what you know.
I see these clueless guys coming on to this forums thinking they are doing research when what you claim to know about what goes on behind the scenes is what would really help them and after all that is why these forums exist.
01-09-2012, 04:30 AM
Quite an intriguing and provocative thread. I'm not sure what you're referring to, though.
Follicle Death Row
01-09-2012, 07:13 AM
Fill us in. I'm not sure what you're referring to.
I think there is a ` fraternity ` mentality kind of like the ` old boys network ` that is employed by Drs and there staff , I say this entirely from my own experiences over the last 20 years .
Several years ago I consulted with a very well known UK Dr and there patient rep , when I asked about a particular Dr In Greece who was hugely cheaper than the uk Dr, the patient co-ordinator replied " No Comment " .... now my view was" hey the other Dr cant be that bad then " and guess what the procedure was a disaster , now if i had been fully informed that choi implanter was crap I wouldnt of gone ! so my question is why do Drs protect one another ? when they know what works and what doesnt ! who damages patients , who doesnt ! its hard for patients to understand that this goes on , but it does ......
You have to really put the time in to understand the reasoning behind the above and who best to perform your procedure , its like role reversal for a job interview and you question the Dr for the vacant position .. " Is this Dr and his staff good enough to perform a procedure on my head " million dollar question ....
01-09-2012, 09:00 AM
I am referring to a comment that was made on the bald truth show last night that I believe was directed towards me. That I didnít know what goes on behind the scenes in this industry a foolish assumption in my opinion. But regardless of if it was directed towards me or not if the host and others know what goes on in this industry behind the scenes and if you are truly patient advocates you can afford the risk of posting that information for the benefit of the clueless masses that come to these forums in search of honest information.
Follicle Death Row
01-09-2012, 09:52 AM
I'm lost. Didn't listen to the show last night.
01-09-2012, 11:54 AM
Topcat you have read my story before. If it were not for Spencer Kobren sharing what goes on behind the scenes I would have gone to MHR for a hair transplant that I did not need. I credit Spencer , this website, and his show for the life I have now. The Bald Truth is all about letting people like me know what goes on behind the scenes. Itís silly for you to say that it is not. I watched the show last night and agree about what was said about people who think that they are experts on forums. The disgusting other forum that I quit after being solicited by private message by a hair transplant salesman, is full of people and moderators who act like experts. Maybe you are an expert, I donít know for sure, but I do know that Spencer is an expert and so is Jotronic for that matter who was on the show last night. Iím assuming that you donít know as much as they do about hair transplants and hair transplant doctors, and I donít think that I am foolish.. I was lucky and found this site and the show before I got hurt like you did. I would probably think differently if I were in your shoes, but I am not because of the behind the scenes information that I learned about because of the show and this website. Can I ask whatís with all the drama? You claim to be doing your best just to help others, but you spend so much time making useless posts like these? Why are you so insecure to think that they were talking about you?
just to add my thoughts , Dr Rassmans book that he kindly posted to me some time ago now, clearly says that the patient is becoming more educated than some Drs in the feild ! food for thought i think
01-09-2012, 01:27 PM
Helproger the point of the post which you are missing is that it’s not about me caring if somebody is talking about me. It’s the comment itself on the show that someone who is a poster regardless of who it is really doesn’t know what truly goes on in this industry. I think it’s naïve not to know that patients along with ex employees of the industry have networked and speak to each other on a regular basis commenting on both the industry along with how the forums operate.
The show simply came out and stated a fact which I know is absolutely true. So now I ask why as patient advocates who make their living from this business don’t they divulge this information to the readers. It’s a simple question and maybe that is how I should have posted it but the fact is it angers me knowing that the comment they made is 100% true yet they remain silent for the most part because they have no choice.
I am not picking on this particular forum but the comment was made so now I ask the question what exactly is going on behind the scenes that we as readers and prospective hair transplant patients don't know about but is crucial to the decision making process? I don't want to know about what has already been stated I want to know exactly what was quoted, I want to know about what we don't know.
BTW Roger if it were up to those who are making the money in this business they would be the only so called experts and we should all listen to them 100% without questioning anything. Sorry but I disagree and you are sadly mistaken.
01-09-2012, 03:02 PM
Roger these are not useless posts and in fact those new to the forums should be paying attention. I am way past any personal hurt many years ago and once again you are sadly mistaken. I make a point to post in order to help keep these guys in the industry that run these forums and clinics honest and I have been doing it close to 14 years now.
I am happy that you were able to avoid going to a bad doctor but you are clueless to what goes on behind the scenes and how each forum operates along with the industry and all of itís players. Thank you for replying but I am looking for a reply that specifically answers the question about the comment that was made that posters do not know what goes on behind the scenes. If you do not have that answer which I am fairly certain you donít please do not take the thread off topic. Start a new thread if you must.
01-09-2012, 03:39 PM
Well I guess negative, terrible things go on behind the scenes then....is that what your saying?
01-09-2012, 04:04 PM
I have no recollection of either Spencer or Jotronic referring to anything negative that happens behind the scenes. How do yo know that they were not talking about the positive stuff, like new techniques being tested or something? You just sound paranoid. And if they were talking about negative stuff, why would they mention it on a national radio show if they were keeping it from us? That would be stupid.
I think you just got mad because you thought they were saying that you are not the expert that you think you are and you went off and posted this stupid thread. This was just a case of your testosterone getting the best of you. It's very petty. And you have no right to tell me how to react to a BS thread that you started. You have no right to demand only the answers you want to hear. You sound off your rocker! Who do you think you are, KING OF THE FORUMS? lol.
All hail King Topcat!
01-09-2012, 04:22 PM
I am a newbee here, interested in Hair transplants can you tell me if the things behind the scenes are positive or negative.
Is there an immense new procedure just around the corner?
has cloning worked?
hello sausage ( sorry for soundin camp ! )
Im trying to read between the lines here , what I think is that reference is being made to people within the industry with access to information not readily available to the general prospective patient like you and i ,
this could be access to something positive like an early heads up regarding new treatments like early results of " replicell " or " stem cell therapy " , someone working in the industry could have info on how the results/ clinical trials were working out either good or not so good , an example would be say the military who are issued with a new peice of kit by the government who say its state of the art kit , however the guys who use it daily say its crap !! the only way of knowing the truth would be to talk to the guys who use the crap kit daily , if you cant have accsess to do so your firmly in the dark and have to rely on the government telling you the truth ( hope im makin sense here )
An example of this would be acell , its been trialed for over 2 years now , yet no Dr or Clinic have provided solid photographic evidence that it is beneficial to healing or transplants , however are quite happy to charge extra for it , slowly I suspect it is being kicked into the long grass , as the " behind the scenes " info is probably negative , however the point is do the people in the know have a moral obligation to share what they know with the rest of us ?? I think this raises more questions than it answers , my view is to speak to as many patients as possible before making any decisions
Another point could be industry insiders patient reps etc knowing which Drs use legal disclaimers or pay unhappy patients off to stop them sharing there results online , or Drs threatening patients with lawsuits , I think this is whats meant by " behind the scenes ".. then again i may be wrong and hopefully someone will correct me
I dont think this is a stupid post at all , I believe this to be good healthy debate which is what the forums are for !
hope this helps
01-09-2012, 06:47 PM
EJJ you are hitting on part of what I am referring to. Spencer made reference to an encounter with a doctor in Las Vegas but he doesn’t mention the doctor’s name, why? This is only one example of many of the secrecy that is often a part of this industry. It’s the fear of speaking the truth or when the truth is spoken it’s done in such a way that one has to cover their ass to the extreme. The Las Vegas doctor referred to I will guess might be Puig but I’m not sure and I’m not saying that it was for certain but it might be, but I could be completely wrong. You see that is how it works. And yes Puig butchered me when I was 23 even though it has nothing to do with this conversation but I can say it with comfort because I know it to be a fact as I was in the room so I don’t have to dance around the issue.
Those in the business need to dance around issues because this is how they make their living and they do it out of fear.
The repair patient that Spencer was referring to later in the show was me although he didn’t want to say my name. He was quite comfortable the previous show with saying my name but I suppose my recent postings maybe hit a nerve for someone in the industry. All I can say is just debate my points as I make them in postings. I’m not trying to create chaos but as a poster I find it insulting that someone would try and discredit me or minimize what I have to say. You don’t know me and you have no idea what I know. If you think I am trying to hurt someone you are mistaken. Does it bother me that this all seems to be a big game for those in the industry, yes.
If I write something out of line let me know but all my recent postings have been factual. If someone believes body/beard hair looks odd 100% of the time than you obviously have not view the proof when perfromed by skilled hands. If you believe larger punches are okay with fue than you have not viewed the evidence showing something different. If what I have written about reccommended lists is a lie please show me where what I have stated is not factual.
Roger you don’t understand my posting as you don’t understand the industry. This is not meant to insult you but to simply explain why you have no idea of what I’m even talking about.
01-09-2012, 07:56 PM
As you guys know Iím probably one of the biggest fans of The Bald Truth and have been listening for many years. Spencer Kobren does not pull any punches. He names names and is the only one who ever has. I donít know what your problem is Topcat, but just because you scream loader does not make you right. I heard the show last night, I agree with Roger, you are just being ultra paranoid and are now making excuses for your rants because youíve been outed as a fool.
01-09-2012, 08:05 PM
Ok i make it short, i think that my persona created more buzz in the industry then others. At least i was called psycho.
But guess what i was right all along with Gho and possible HM treatments and thats what is going on behind the scenes.
Drs desperately try to get as much money as they can in the next two years or so and thats it.
Btw we will see a lot of clinics die out this and next year believe me.
Topcat you dance around the issues by not clearly saying whats going on, you are like IronMan.
Do it like me straight and direct to the point and BAM here we ****ing go
01-09-2012, 08:20 PM
Attacking and name calling is how the industry operates. I have seen it over the years as most of the dozens and dozens of valuable posters that speak the truth have left the various forums as at some point it all becomes a waste of time. This is not good for prospective patients as all they are left with are those that work in the industry.
When put in perspective and compared to really important issues in the world the deception that goes on in the world of hair transplantation is very insignificant. I know this but it is still a personal issue for me.
RD I was referred to as a rapist by one clinic cheerleader and I was told that scarred patients that complained were simply hair grifters. It was explained to me that patients went around extorting free work from clinics with the threat of making false complaints on the internet. I guess the pictures of their scarring were not real so we are suppose to believe that. These are the real pyschos but they would have you believe it is the posters that call it out that are the pyschos.
01-09-2012, 08:21 PM
Donít worry Topcat, Iím not insulted because nobody knows what you are talking about anyway. You are ranting about stuff that has not even been mentioned on this thread. I once knew a guy who thought actors were talking directly to him from the television, remind you of anyone? Even if it were true, who cares if Spencer was referring to you? What did he say that was so bad? I heard him say that people need to be careful of who they get their information from and that there are many people on the forums who make it like they are experts when they are not. Seems like good advice. You want everyone to drink your cool aid and just because we donít you get your panties in a uproar.
All hail KING TOPCAT, Royal King of THE FORUMS
01-09-2012, 08:39 PM
Roger the name calling does make me laugh.
Prospective patients at some point need to figure it out on their own and hopefully they have enough good information to make a good decision.
Roger I have been posting since about 1998 and I have followed the industry for about 25 years. I just might know a little more than you.
01-09-2012, 09:23 PM
This is what I know Topcat. Spencer Kobren and my mother, she found Spencer, literally saved my life and I think if he were around when you were thinking about having your first surgery that your life would be much different too. I donít care if youíve been around for 50 years, it does not mean you know it all or are an expert.
01-09-2012, 09:24 PM
I don't know and I cannot comment on what specifically was said on the show since I have yet to listen to it, although I've really got to make a point of it to start listening. I will say that this must be a very emotional topic for Topcat. I've read his very emotional posts in the past and it seems like he has really been to hell and back throughout much of his life as a victim of several botched hair transplants which have left his head permanently scarred and disfigured. Hair loss can be a very devastating and emotional topic, especially since there is no cure or viable treatment for it.
That being said, I don't think that Spencer has ulterior motives or is in cohoots with anyone attempting to try to deceive us. I think that Spencer is a great person for all that he does for us, everything from maintaining these message boards to bringing up interviews with people from Replicel and Histogen. I think he knows how much hair loss hurts us and is rooting for a cure as much we all are. And I have no doubt that he helps many people like HelpRoger in making informed decisions about their hair loss.
But I do believe that a lot of these hair transplant doctors are in fact part of some kind of inner circle or "fraternity" as Ejj says. They all have a large financial incentive to keep the hair transplant business alive and well, and attempt to do so by doing everything from downplaying new upcoming treatments, giving long timelines on hair cloning, and not trying anything to achieve hair regrowth besides moving hair from one place to another.
Follicle Death Row
01-10-2012, 02:49 AM
For sure there's a lot of stuff the prospective patient doesn't catch wind of. There's definitely patient silence bought and we only really see the best results in clinic galleries. Re the new treatments in development I'm sure Spencer knows a good deal more than he's allowed to tell us. I kind of got the impression he was hinting at the prospect of one of the cellular therapies arriving a little sooner than some of us pessimists think but I might be wrong and overanalysing something he said to Joe from Staten island last month.
I have had many a consultation over the years , on all occassions at the clinic or drs premises,each and every time there is /was a seperate waiting area for consultation and a seperate area for follow up of patients , segregation for want of a better word ... why ??? to stop patients talking to each other , makes me wonder if the consultants feel threatened by experienced posters
I remember taking a wrong turn on a toilet break during a procedure and walking into the waiting area , that caused a panic with the consultants as three people just got up and left ! perhaps my pencil thin scar was not so pencil thin after all !
I think the industry like any other buisness has almost a ` management ` system in place and on various forums if your a poster then you should know your place and not question it , bit like office politics! Other forums just ` ban ` people that dont tow the party line , this forum does not which is good !
Perhaps experience within the industry without drawing an income from it just `rubbs ` people up the wrong way .
You can never know it all and there are developments talking place all the time information should be shared freely no matter where it comes from , be it Drs , reps or patients , unfortunatly we as patients sometimes find out the hard way whats good, whats not so good , at this point usually there is a
` wall of silence `like a gentlemans agreement` from within the industry circle , not to criticise another Dr or Clinic , this results in the repair patient feeling isolated and on there own , which i feel is disgraceful ! then vulnerable which is when they slap you with the legalities and remind you of what you signed !
I remember a clinic rep asking me " was i sure " that I had a bad experience from a particular clinic " was i sure " ?? ...... almost like trying to convince me i hadnt , then going into detail about how few complaints they have had over a ten year period unbeleivable hey ! , almost as unbeleivable for a lot of people to get there head round the fact that there are genuine people on a forum who just want to help others from suffering what they themselves have been through, for no financial gain for themselves ! reward comes in many forms not just cash !
all the best
01-10-2012, 08:28 AM
Roger that’s nice that your mother took the time to do the research because she was old enough and mature enough to know better. Most of these young guys will not have mothers that are going to be doing that for them so they will rely on the information they have from the so called experts that work in the industry. The key word here is work in the industry.
I never used the word expert to describe myself as the sad fact in life is that most people believe in order to have any expertise one needs to be paid. No one knows this better than me as the value of free advice is zero for most people.
As many of the long time posters of the past have told me these young guys probably deserve their bad results even when it comes from doctors recommended by the paid experts. Those that believe I am angry about my own experiences of the past are completely off the mark. I am angry about what I continually see happening in this industry.
My suggestion to the majority of those considering a hair transplant is DO NOT HAVE A PROCEDURE that is the safest decision.
I also believe that those that are being paid to make recommendations and I have not singled out any one person so stop implying that I have. I include all that are being paid, they should be held fully responsible for the bad results patients experience when following those recommendations. Those patients should be made whole again financially along with being compensated for mental anguish. I believe this would be a fairer system and those that get paid to recommend would be extra cautious in who they recommend which is good for the patient.
If you are going to be paid you should accept responsibility.
01-10-2012, 10:02 AM
Topcat I know you think that you are a logical person, but what you say makes no sense. I was turned away by those recommended doctors. I was saved a great deal of money and possibly a lifetime of hell because of Spencer Kobren and his recommended doctors. And like Depressedbyhairloss said Spencer has probably helped thousands of people like me and it was free advice. None of us pay to get advice or to post on this forum or to listen to Spencer's show. I will also tell you that when I was a member of the hair transplant network I was solicited by private message in hours of making my first post. That has never happened here. I hear Spencer try to talk young unprepared people out of surgery on almost every show or at least get into their heads that there are risks with even the recommended doctors. You listen to the show, I am sure you hear this all the time too. I agree with you that the other forums are bogus and are just advertising websites, but to put Kobren into this category is sacrilege. Like ejj said, he even allows you to trash him on his own forum. I think that Spencer Kobren is a great person too and he helps all of us, including you Topcat, since he allows you to post on his forum to give your free advice. You are just like us a poster on a message forum that Spencer has given us. Please spare us your holier than thou attitude. You are just some know it all who posts on a free message forum.
01-10-2012, 10:28 AM
Roger first off most that visit the forums are grown men and they do not have their motherís helping them so you need to take that into consideration.
Iím am sure at this point the thread will be locked as it is going nowhere so moderator please feel free to lock it. Iím sure it has provided some entertainment value for those that work in the industry.
Roger I have not trashed anyone but your response is typical of someone who visits the forums and seems to cheer for a particular clinic or person.
For the readers and prospective patients. I suggest reading as many opinions as possible even those you might not agree with. Be especially careful of posters that try to dissuade others from posting their message, that is a red flag. Also be careful of clinics that treat patients poorly who come on to the forums and complain about their experience. How they handle those situations will be exactly how you are treated if you end up in the same shoes.
As far as what I would like to see happen in this industry I would like to see those that have been damaged in recent years go after the smaller players which would include paid consultants and internet posters. This would clean things up a bit and would be a very good start.
No were did I say` anyone was trashing anyone `.. I said and stand by the fact that I have seen patients post comments that I believe on other forums would probably result in them being banned , I agree that this forum is a good platform to share your views and experiences regardless of , if they are good or bad , or reccommended Dr or not
Were all just posters who share our views on the forum , then there are the reps, then the Drs , and every year they all meet up and have a `pow wow` and discuss ` the industry` ( behind the scenes ) .. , thus if you get a poor result its, in my opinion considered to be ` unproffessional ` to discuss it online openly by the industry insiders / employees , however there are one or two reps who will put there opinion forward and im thankful to them for that .
The definition of an expert according to wikipedia is " someone with extensive knowledge based on research ,experience or occupation in a particular area of study " , therefore I think repair patients with several or more procedures over twenty or so years are an equal if not better source of valuable information as believe me once your on the repair road you put the research in big time !!
If by sharing my experiences I help one person not to make the mistakes I have, then i regard my efforts as time well spent , from reading posts by other repair patients who contribute to the forums I believe they feel the same
01-10-2012, 12:26 PM
9 years ago I was at a place in my thoughts where I wanted to do something about my hairloss......eventually I realised nothing decent existed so tried to get on the best I could knowing there was nothing I could do.....
Here I am again after 9 years motivated by Wayne Rooney's full head of transplanted hair........but again I am left with negative thoughts about whats out there, who is being honest ie. people on here, surgeons etc. and being left with the same answer.......nothing decent exists.
Although Rooney's hair looks good, I assume he is wearing concealers so we cannot really see the actual outcome, we don't know if it will last.....
That added to this threads comments about people keeping us in the dark about new procedures also does not help. It is putting me off the transplant idea. If I was to get a transplant and it was not a success in my eyes or if some new amazing procedure came out shortly after I had spent a fortune on a transplant I'd be devastated, absolutely pissed-off.
There is too much uncertainty in the baldness cure world that I should probably keep away until if and when something concrete comes along.
01-10-2012, 04:50 PM
Itís never a bad idea to wait. And donít worry about the information on this site, itís the only honest hair forum on the internet, so you found a good place. The only one in the dark is King Topcat.
@ejj, forgive me for misrepresenting what you said, it was not my intention. I just get so angry when I read some of the ridiculous comments that come from King Topcat. He really thinks he knows it all, but he does not. Heís so condescending to anyone who call out his BS. He could only wish he had family who cared about him like mine does! This place saved me from what he had to deal with, and I think itís disingenuous of him not to admit that this site saves lives, just because his feelings were hurt by a comment made on a radio show.
I understand were you are coming from , i think its all about research at the end of the day . If i had a virgin head and was embarking on the restoration route now I would look at posters with similar levels of loss , similar characteristics, similar goals , and check out there results . I would try to meet as many as the above people as possible and check out there results and healing , if it was my pattern of loss i would do a small fue session a couple of inches back from the hairline into the frontal core in a crescent shape , i would then wait a year and fully assess the healing and growth , if satisfactory you can build upon this , this is just the way i would approach things , if my loss became aggressive and the meds wore off you retain the option to buzz down and keep the desired buzz look !
To be fair there are good results posted , however this thread was titled "what goes on behind the scenes" I think you will get sound advice if you start a thread and post some pictures of your current situation
hope this helps
01-11-2012, 09:02 AM
Regarding the specific comment that just because someone is a repair patient it does not make them an expert, everyone is entitled to their own opinion on what makes an expert. What I can say is that I have followed this industry for 25 years. I have actually been in the chair at 5 different clinics. I have consulted with dozens and dozens of clinics both in person and online. Over the last 14 years I have been an avid poster and in that time I have made many connections to prospective patients, posters, repair patients and those that have worked in the industry but have since left it. Does this make me an expert, I never said it did but it does make me someone with something to offer as I have not made one dime from what can only be described as an unscrupulous industry. But I do believe just because someone works in the industry and is being paid in some form that does not necessarily make them an expert so we each have our own opinion.
I will stand by my comments in recent posting and although it might be upsetting to those that work in the industry whom might be affected it is not meant to be an attack. Just being honest and stating my opinion. I think the ARTAS robotic system uses punches that are too large maybe in time it will become better but right now I think it’s a bad idea to have a procedure using it.
I will stand by my comment that body and beard hair does not always looks strange when used on repair patients and does not always cause scarring to the donor areas. I have presented my own case as an example. It has to be performed by someone who is both ethical and skilled. I will agree in my opinion there are a few doctors that I don’t think meet the standards of skill or ethics who are performing this procedure.
I believe the first option for a patient should always be fue. This doesn’t mean I’m against strip but it makes more sense to start with fue for many reasons which I will not list. Personally I would never have a strip and would be happier with less hair but that is just a personal preference coming from my own experience. I would be interested in hearing which procedure the moderator would choose if he had to pick one.
I believe that being on a recommended list and I’m not referring to this site, but to be on a list with a doctor whom another clinic believes does poor work is hypocritical. I’m mean how can you not laugh at the fact that the clinic you were just making fun of is considered your equal. Then to top it off you are both recommended and judged by a guy that thinks it’s okay to have his own porn starring himself posted on the internet or at least until everyone found out and he hurried to remove it. How can you not laugh at that.
Most of you guys in this business were just internet posters at one time or only patients. I know the money is good but I would expect you to still have a conscience.
If any prospective patient is reading this and doesn’t know what it all means than you are in no position to be making decision about a hair transplant. You need to go back and start researching and if this means going through long histories of postings than that is what you must do but that is only the start.
As I have stated I’m not here to attack anyone or promote. Just sharing my own thoughts and opinions and hopefully it will help someone make a good decision.
01-11-2012, 01:23 PM
Holy crap now that was funny! When I found out that the Hair transplant Network sleezball Bill was staring in crazy ass sniffing porn I nearly pissed myself. What kind of sick, pathetic loser, would engage in that type of crap publically. That is the lowest of the low! How can anyone take this douche seriously? The idiot posted movies on the internet and had close pins on his junk. The only thing funnier then seeing that douche sniffing old ugly hookers asses in a basement is that he stills has a job recommending hair transplant doctors.
01-11-2012, 01:49 PM
Delphi, to be honest I don’t care too much what the guy on the other site does with his personal life but it does say something about his character and judgment. What astounds me is that clinics are willing to let this person be their judge and help determine not only the skill of their clinic but the character of both the doctor and its staff. What does that say about the clinic's own judgement. I understand everyone needs to get their name out there but at some point maybe standing up and doing what is right would be the better choice.
I could easily work in this business and in fact I have been given opportunities in the past but it is not something I care to do. The money can be enormous but I am not driven solely by money. If I did work in this business I could honestly be enthusiastic about working for a clinic that performed high quality fue and had exceptional ethics. That honestly would excite me because I would know I was actually helping people. But my heart is set on pursuing something in the area of nutrition.
01-11-2012, 03:58 PM
Itís not your personal life if you post yourself sniffing ass , handcuffed with pins on your junk all over the internet, itís now Bill's public life. The douche publically let the world know that he is a deviant. That other forum is a total joke, if I were a doctor I could never tarnish my reputation my being associated with a sleezy used car salesman Porno freak like Bill. But it is only a hair transplant sales site, so I guess they don't care as long as they make sales.