Dr Nigam, my own experience

[Arashi]

In french: "OUFFFFF"

It still have people like you on forum !! what you say is just what I try to explain since a while Thanks my friend.

I just want you to fully understand the risks, Tom, that's all. Personally I think it's outright crazy what you're going to do. But then, people jump off cliffs in a wingsuit all the time, knowing there's quite a chance they won't survive. I'm quite liberal here. As long as somebody understands the risks, he's allowed to drive a car without safety belt as far as I'm concerned, allowed to jump of a cliff in a wingsuit, inject himself with heroine, have unprotected sex with a Thai hooker and have 3d culture tested on him that potentially could kill him.


In my opinion, as long as somebody understands the risks, he's free to do whatever he wants (without harming others of course). So I wish you all the best Tom.

[TO YOUNG TO RETIRE]

arashi please explain us how it may be harmfull to get 3d injections?

[Arashi]

arashi please explain us how it may be harmfull to get 3d injections?

Please re-read that quote by Mr Z that I just posted on the previous page.

[Boldy]

So then, we conclude that somebody without a professional study and degree conducts the experiments, for a doctor who isn't a real doctor, and who will test it on you. Right ? Sorry for stating this so harsh, I don't want to offend you or Boldy, but at the same time it's true, right ?

Okay Arashi, I have no doubts about your intentions. However I think, maybe because of the lack of the reading and digging in this topic which I do understand, there are allot misunderstandings.

Its not more than applying the already known and done research, In Vitro. which means the cells will be screen with PCR, you'll check if the cells are healthy, and express same markers as the reference studies. Take arvid for example who did the same in the US.

regarding safety of expanding your own mesenchymal cells and administering them back. Like I said before, even tho there are so many human trials for various diseases with mesecnhymal cells, you will never have guarantee. (regenerative medicine) THis is my previous post about safety.

http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showthread.php?p=138682#post138682

(read it )

It remains experimental is my opinion. for now GO with regular mechanical treatments, and wait and see what the time brings in the future.



for me its waiting for the vitro results, from there, IF they comply, I will fly back for test on MY own.

I say this for you and you only, because I think you are a good person. If hairloss annoys you this much, then please do something about it, do a HT man. the thing is, all these years on forum, instead of doing nice things, with your gf for example, You will regret over some years, that you have not enjoid your life to the fullest. Take adventage of what is already possible, and is already proven to be safe. and enjoy your hair, is my very best advice.


Me, I will continue what I do best regardless of what other individuals say or think, without ever involving or recommending any of these experimental to other individuals than my self, and do what I think is best for my path to fix my hairloss.

Take care!

Boldy

[clarence]

but they think they are ahah.. Boldy showed me few studies in india, and peoples here just dont understand what is done.. thats the problem

I mean obviously I'm not educated enough to judge Boldy's work either, but he's obviously putting a lot of his time and effort into it, without monetary compensation, and some people are just too didi to appreciate that.

[tom vercetti]

Please re-read that quote by Mr Z that I just posted on the previous page.

No this post dont speak about 3D dp cell culture. This post is right, but dont speak about the topic. He is just speking from a very general point of view and dont mention any point, just "think" of "what could be dangerous in india"

Sorry, but I also feel really concern about safety but here risk is as low as go in the street and get hurt by a car...

[Arashi]

Okay Arashi, I have no doubts about your intentions. However I think, maybe because of the lack of the reading and digging in this topic which I do understand, there are allot misunderstandings.

Its not more than applying the already known and done research, In Vitro. which means the cells will be screen with PCR, you'll check if the cells are healthy, and express same markers as the reference studies. Take arvid for example who did the same in the US.

regarding safety of expanding your own mesenchymal cells and administering them back. Like I said before, even tho there are so many human trials for various diseases with mesecnhymal cells, you will never have guarantee. (regenerative medicine) THis is my previous post about safety.

http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showthread.php?p=138682#post138682

(read it )

It remains experimental is my opinion. for now GO with regular mechanical treatments, and wait and see what the time brings in the future.



for me its waiting for the vitro results, from there, IF they comply, I will fly back for test on MY own.

I say this for you and you only, because I think you are a good person. If hairloss annoys you this much, then please do something about it, do a HT man. the thing is, all these years on forum, instead of doing nice things, with your gf for example, You will regret over some years, that you have not enjoid your life to the fullest. Take adventage of what is already possible, and is already proven to be safe. and enjoy your hair, is my very best advice.


Me, I will continue what I do best regardless of what other individuals say or think, without ever involving or recommending any of these experimental to other individuals than my self, and do what I think is best for my path to fix my hairloss.

Take care!

Boldy

I know you only mean good as well, Boldy, and I highly appreciate all you do. I don't worry about you, you know all the risks and are at a better position than anyone to judge them. I do worry about the others though. I think what Nigams doing is unethical. My professor at university once defined ethics simply as: if what you're doing would appear on the front page of the newspaper, would you be ok with it ? I think Dr Nigams wouldn't be. I'm afraid that people are going to India who, unlike you, do NOT understand the full risk of what they're going to have done.

I know people complain about the Western world, about how treatments have to go through years of safety testing before they can be marketed. But in the end, it's all for a good reason.

[gc83uk]

To be honest, we might as well just forget all the stuff Boldy is doing at the moment. I'm sure he'll let us know if/when he has news.

I think it makes more sense to concentrate on the doubling side.....Tom, I think you said a couple of days back you would upload a photo of your donor area. You also said there wouldn't be much to see, however there should be at least some regrowth right? Be great if we could get a pic of the same sample area as what we can see on Nigams site. Hopefully you know the exact area I'm talking about.

Did you upload one yet?

Can you also remind me when it was you had the doubling? With everything going on here it's hard to keep track

Can you also just remind me, did you have all the grafts put in the recipient, or do you put half of the graft back in the donor? I know Dr Nigam offers either option.

All the best to you.

[hellouser]

If doubling has regeneration, that is going to be a big game changer. Can anyone explain how doubling works according to Nigam... but word in such a way that a 2 year old could understand?

[Arashi]

To be honest, we might as well just forget all the stuff Boldy is doing at the moment. I'm sure he'll let us know if/when he has news.

I think it makes more sense to concentrate on the doubling side.....Tom, I think you said a couple of days back you would upload a photo of your donor area. You also said there wouldn't be much to see, however there should be at least some regrowth right? Be great if we could get a pic of the same sample area as what we can see on Nigams site. Hopefully you know the exact area I'm talking about.

Did you upload one yet?

Can you also remind me when it was you had the doubling? With everything going on here it's hard to keep track

Can you also just remind me, did you have all the grafts put in the recipient, or do you put half of the graft back in the donor? I know Dr Nigam offers either option.

All the best to you.

Which reminds me. Some time ago I was looking for Tom's pre-op photo's but Nigams removed them (or I couldnt find them anymore). I remember you said he mailed them to you. Could you please re-post them ? Thx !

[Boldy]

I know you only mean good as well, Boldy, and I highly appreciate all you do. I don't worry about you, you know all the risks and are at a better position than anyone to judge them. I do worry about the others though. I think what Nigams doing is unethical. My professor at university once defined ethics simply as: if what you're doing would appear on the front page of the newspaper, would you be ok with it ? I think Dr Nigams wouldn't be. I'm afraid that people are going to India who, unlike you, do NOT understand the full risk of what they're going to have done.

I know people complain about the Western world, about how treatments have to go through years of safety testing before they can be marketed. But in the end, it's all for a good reason.

Okay . I have to agree with you, safety nr1.
this includes years of trialing like aderans and replicel do. and supervision. if people want it to happen faster, and cant wait, they can sign up for their trials indeed.

Also this is why I'm already happy with the trials already been preformed with mesechymal cells by certain companies(not just hairloss companies). with non modified culture medium. it at least shows that usual protocols has not killed people thus far.


I recommend mechanical approach for now and fda drugs, although, they also don't come without risck, but we know what to expect, since trials are preformed.

Do you have a good donor left?if so stop waiting

The best.

[gc83uk]

Which reminds me. Some time ago I was looking for Tom's pre-op photo's but Nigams removed them (or I couldnt find them anymore). I remember you said he mailed them to you. Could you please re-post them ? Thx !

Sure, take me a while to find them all, I take it you've seen this already:

Nigam chart pre-analysis area

[Boldy]

To be honest, we might as well just forget all the stuff Boldy is doing at the moment. I'm sure he'll let us know if/when he has news.

Indeed . my journey is experimental. If I have any findings, success or even total failure, I will let know my happenings.

[gc83uk]

Photo 1
Photo 2a
Photo 2b
Photo 3
Photo 4

After Photo 1
After Photo 2
After Photo 3

Might have some more somewhere, will check back later. Have you seen all these already?

[tom vercetti]

GC, sorry man, I will post the pics tommorow, I will but its still very small the regrowth not sure you can see a difference in macro pics. Thanks the pre op pics anyway