Dr Nigam, my own experience

[hellouser]

You two will probably come back with six arms or luminous green eyes...

Extra capabilities to kick ass and scare off people? Sign me up.

[oppenheimer82]

didi and the alchemist should just take a chill pill and wait for more proof and pictures. it does not make sense at all to speculate yourselves to death.

[Arashi]

ok stop. i think Boldy is more than capable to defend from himself if he want and not need help from others but where the hell come from the accusation of experimenting on humans? This is ridiculus come on. He is not leading anything, he is just be inviting on Mumbai to test some invitro protocol he thinking, and this seems perfectly normal to me. You don't need decades of experience to experimenting new ideas, the scientific method has remained the same from centuries

AFAIK understood it, Boldy is going to test 3d culturing and if succesfull, they're going to try it on humans. That's the whole thing. I think the plan still is to inject Tom with it.

[Boldy]

This forum is full with depressed paranoid Beta males.


Get a life or something! go with regular HT, shave your head, or accept hairloss! It does not make any sense bitching around on this forum or even Making false claims against me like he is leading his research, jeezus.

Nigam's has already his protocols like dp culture, doubling and ht's. THat he do apply on his patients!

Nigams is open minded, and is open for improvement, unlike most ht surgeons..

Only thing that has changed is we are doing some new Experiments in VITRO. If you don't even know what Vitro is, then maybe its maybe time to stop reading and do some research first.

with other words applying the literature (that is even tested on humans) in VITRO.

Once his lab team sees the same success, then I'll consider the cultured cells on my self! What has this to do with you guys? its not you business at all.



First asking to report every detail, and now a back stab..




Its so disgusting to see people so passive and complaining around, attacking others, making up false rumors. With his attitude you will reach Nothing in life. 0.0%. everything will stay the same as it is.

I was planning to make a topic of my experience and fast healing of my new transplant procedure, but with such attitude, I have to keep it to the private forum.


Boldy.

[Arashi]

This forum is full with depressed paranoid Beta males.


Get a life or something! go with regular HT, shave your head, or accept hairloss! It does not make any sense bitching around on this forum or even Making false claims against me like he is leading his research, jeezus.

Nigam's has already his protocols like dp culture, doubling and ht's. THat he do apply on his patients!

Nigams is open minded, and is open for improvement.

Only thing that has changed is we are doing some new Experiments in VITRO. If you don't even know what vitor is, then maybe its maybe time to stop reading and do some research first.

with other words applying the literature (that is even tested on humans) in VITRO.

Once his lab team sees the same success, then I'll consider the cultured cells on my self! What has this to do with you guys? its not you business at all.



First asking to report every detail, and now a back stab..




Its so Awful to see people so passive and complaining around, attacking others, making up false rumors. With his attitude you will reach Nothing in life. 0.0%. everything will stay the same as it is.

I was planning to make a topic of my experience and fast healing of my new transplant procedure, but with such attitude, I have to keep it to the private forum.


Boldy.

Boldy, don't take it personal, nobody is attacking you. But it does seem a bit strange that you're the one conducting the experiments for Nigams. A hobbyist without a degree in bio tech, right ? Again, nobody attacks you, you seem to know a lot and it can only be considered extremely kind and well-meant by you, that you're willing to invest all your personal time. But again, from a professional point of view, it's a bit weird the least in my opinion or am I missing something ?

And the plan is still to inject Tom, right ? And anybody else who wants to have it injected.

[tom vercetti]

Boldy, don't take it personal, nobody is attacking you. But it does seem a bit strange that you're the one conducting the experiments for Nigams. A hobbyist without a degree in bio tech, right ? Again, nobody attacks you, you seem to know a lot and it can only be considered extremely kind and well-meant by you, that you're willing to invest all your personal time. But again, from a professional point of view, it's a bit weird the least in my opinion or am I missing something ?

And the plan is still to inject Tom, right ? And anybody else who wants to have it injected.

Actually I want the 3D for my whole scalp, give it a boost. And doubling will be tested by dr mwamba himself in next 6 months. I know its hard Arashi, but just let time to time.. I seen impressive result from my owns eyes..

[Arashi]

Actually I want the 3D for my whole scalp, give it a boost. And doubling will be tested by dr mwamba himself in next 6 months. I know its hard Arashi, but just let time to time.. I seen impressive result from my owns eyes..

So then, we conclude that somebody without a professional study and degree conducts the experiments, for a doctor who isn't a real doctor, and who will test it on you. Right ? Sorry for stating this so harsh, I don't want to offend you or Boldy, but at the same time it's true, right ?

[FearTheLoss]

Actually I want the 3D for my whole scalp, give it a boost. And doubling will be tested by dr mwamba himself in next 6 months. I know its hard Arashi, but just let time to time.. I seen impressive result from my owns eyes..

When is Dr. Mwamba going to start this testing?

I think we should focus more on proving the doubling technique, because if it is as claimed, than hair loss is cured by surgery. (IF)

[tom vercetti]

So then, we conclude that somebody without a professional degree conducts the experiments, for a doctor who isn't a real doctor, and who will test it on you. Right ? Sorry for stating this so harsh, I don't want to offend you or Boldy, but at the same time it's true, right ?

hmm there is a misunderstood things here. I think few of them didnt get the thing: dps cells multiplication means many different topic as the speed of multiplication, aggregate, spheroidal, protocol etc.. its not as simple. Boldy helped him by learning ALL the studies already done (even on human.. Yes..) on earth. He didnt conduced the whole Research and Devlopment department, but only helped to bring few protocol to get 3D protocol ready faster. Actually, Nigam dont invent the water again. He will just make the 3D available to us, wich means result already known (as you know its even tried in US by arvid on Humans!?). Then + improvement of course with all nigam previous research.

[tom vercetti]

When is Dr. Mwamba going to start this testing?

I think we should focus more on proving the doubling technique, because if it is as claimed, than hair loss is cured by surgery. (IF)

By beginning of september. He will test, and make his own case study (confidential for him). If he found all is ok, he will bring a brand new doubling technique in europe, and when I say "brand new" thats mean the last improvement in this technique by nigam.. So Dr Mwamba will be able to see different doubling technique tested and follow them in real time. So continue to think is a fake, but you still have only few more months to think so..

[Arashi]

hmm there is a misunderstood things here. I think few of them didnt get the thing: dps cells multiplication means many different topic as the speed of multiplication, aggregate, spheroidal, protocol etc.. its not as simple. Boldy helped him by learning ALL the studies already done (even on human.. Yes..) on earth. He didnt conduced the whole Research and Devlopment department, but only helped to bring few protocol to get 3D protocol ready faster. Actually, Nigam dont invent the water again. He will just make the 3D available to us, wich means result already known (as you know its even tried in US by arvid on Humans!?). Then + improvement of course with all nigam previous research.

I kind of like this post below, from "Mr Z" on HS. It describes the situation pretty well in my opinion. Anyway, if you still want to move on with this, good luck to you Tom.

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Mr Z:

And i'm amazed at how people who are so willing to accept something without any proof. There is not one single shred of objective, scientific evidence that Dr. Nigam can grow hair or even that what he's doing is safe.

How do you know his procedure is safe? Did he do a safety trial? You imply that because aderans and replicel had no safety issues therefore Nigam must be completely safe. I can not even begin to stress to you how wrong headed, utterly naive and ignorant you are on the subject. Comparing Nigam's fiddling in the lab to a full blown clinical trial is like comparing 5 year olds playing t-ball on the playground to the major leagues.

Do you understand that both Replicel and Aderans had to conduct their trials under the strictest manufacturing controls that exist. Their trials are monitored and audited, every step of the way, every single aspect of their process from start to finish. They had to throw out a entire group of subjects because the cells they shipped fell outside a predefined temperature range. It was probably just a few degrees for a brief period of time. But they were forced to but outside governing bodies to ensure the validity and safety of the trial. How strict do you think Nigam is being? Who's watching over him? The answer is no one. Yet he's cooking up whatever and injecting away without a care in the world

Nigam has no expertise in cell culturing, his facilities and his process are not subjected to the same rigors that a biotech or pharma company conducting a clinical trial are. I work in laboratory for a pharma company for the past 15 years. The work in my department and my group is held to a predefined, rigorous scientific standard that would make Nigam's head spin. The documentation, the procedural steps for sample handling and processing are ridiculous. And i'm preclinical!! The clinical folks go to lengths that are staggering. All to ensure that the trial is conducted safely, that it's standardized and that the results are objectively meaningful. It takes a huge team of people to pull that off. Nigam and his guys that he pulled randomly off the internet are not in that league...they're not in the same universe.

As for his efficacy - this has been thoroughly addressed in this thread. He's not produced any photos that are less than ambiguous. And i don't buy the NSN is "sensitive" that's f'ng ridiculous. And if that was the case then why did Nigam lie about it initially and say that NSN was having family issues. Once again, the story has changed. OBI dissappeared without explanation. If he received a revolutionary treatment that was growing hair on his baldass head, do you really think he just go away and never be heard from again? BS. Something went down with both cases that we are not being let in on.

I know you're desperate to have hair, as is everybody around here. And im not saying Nigam can't make it work, maybe he will. But, you absolutely have to be objective about any kind of assessment you make of him. And if you're honest with yourself, and you truly weigh what he's shown on these forums... you can't conclude really anything about him other than he's ambitious and has a lot of big ideas. Unfortunately, that doesn't mean he's able to grow hair and it certainly doesn't mean that what he's doing is safe. Please take your time with it, see if any of the cases he's already done pan out before you leap in and have your head injected with who knows what.

If you go to have the procedure i wish you best of luck and hope all turns out well and safe for you. It would be great if Nigam did what no one else has managed, but, count me as a sceptic until proven otherwise.

[clarence]

What of it if he doesn't have a degree, if those who have degrees AND a lot of money fvck up time after time. I'm wagering stuff would get done in some of these big companies (cough cough aderans) if they would have recruited these sort of guys who do all sorts of exciting stuff on forums.

I don't think didi, alchemist and others are educated enough about Boldy's work to be the judge here

[tom vercetti]

What of it if he doesn't have a degree, if those who have degrees AND a lot of money fvck up time after time. I'm wagering stuff would get done in some of these big companies (cough cough aderans) if they would have recruited these sort of guys who do all sorts of exciting stuff on forums.

I don't think didi, alchemist and others are educated enough about Boldy's work to be the judge here

but they think they are ahah.. Boldy showed me few studies in india, and peoples here just dont understand what is done.. thats the problem

[FearTheLoss]

By beginning of september. He will test, and make his own case study (confidential for him). If he found all is ok, he will bring a brand new doubling technique in europe, and when I say "brand new" thats mean the last improvement in this technique by nigam.. So Dr Mwamba will be able to see different doubling technique tested and follow them in real time. So continue to think is a fake, but you still have only few more months to think so..

I'm not doubting Dr. Nigam, I wouldn't go over there for a procedure yet, because I haven't seen proof...but I'm patiently waiting and I keep a neutral view on the subject of donor doubling.

If Dr. Mwamba confirms it's legitimacy than I will believe 100%...as Dr. Mwamba is a highly respected doctor....and I don't think any doctors in the USA will be able to question the technique if Dr. Mwamba confirms it either....he has too good of a reputation.

[tom vercetti]

I'm not doubting Dr. Nigam, I wouldn't go over there for a procedure yet, because I haven't seen proof...but I'm patiently waiting and I keep a neutral view on the subject of donor doubling.

If Dr. Mwamba confirms it's legitimacy than I will believe 100%...as Dr. Mwamba is a highly respected doctor....and I don't think any doctors in the USA will be able to question the technique if Dr. Mwamba confirms it either....he has too good of a reputation.

In french: "OUFFFFF"

It still have people like you on forum !! what you say is just what I try to explain since a while Thanks my friend.