Bad reaction to the big 3, is HT all that's left for me?

[psychic]

You're welcome.
I never actually used any of these shampoos myself. Only Minox and Nizoral as topical + Fin, and even tried Dutasteride for a few months.

I don't know but I think you're new to the world of hair loss and hair loss treatment. Most guys when they're new and still not well-informed they fall for these hair "regrowth" shampoos. If I weren't skeptic by nature I would've done the same too but I also believe in the "if it sounds too good to be true it probably is...". These scammers know that many of us are so desperate that we're willing to buy and try anything. They also know that most people don't do their research. And they know that advertising WORKS. I'm sorry to say but I don't think there's even one shampoo out there that can actually regrow hair or even stop baldness. There isn't anything that does that at the moment. Not even Minoxidil or Fin can do that 100% or anywhere near that. Some of these shampoos might say they have black tea or green tea or whatever the hell other tea or other herbal ingredients but while these things might be good for the hair, I don't think they can actually stop hair loss that's caused by MPB. If these shampoos worked people would kill for them. If you're going to try something I'd say try onion juice. It'll probably do a better job than all of these shampoos. And it only costs pennies.
I know you're probably thinking well, I'll just spend $50 or $60 a couple of times and give it a try. It's not a big amount of money. And that's all these guys (sellers of snake oils) need. That's how they make their money. I don't think there are many people who keep buying these products beyond a few times........because eventually they find out that they don't work. I'm not saying every single shampoo out there is a snake oil but again I can say that NONE will actually regrow your hair or even stop you from going bald by just using that shampoo. I don't care what any body says.

I am as desperate as every body else for some miracle shampoo that I can wash my hair with and end up with a full head of hair again but I know such shampoo only existed on "Married With Children". lol.

You say interesting things indeed.

I may be considered new, although I'm registered for this forum for a long time.
The reason is I got into this world about 8 years ago, started treatment, was horrified, stopped all treatments, went my own route of general health, had general success with it, that success stopped after a while as well and things started deteriorating quickly again, but then again I also strayed from this path of general health lately, so I might need to go back to it, perhaps that's all I'm missing, but I doubt it will hold for long anyway.

You're saying that even if I don't keep on buying these products that's all they need, and you are right 100%, only that I am not fazed by the fact this is all they need, I don't care so much what they need at all. And that's why that won't be a reason for me not to try it out. It's cheap for me, and if someone makes a living off of it, then fine. Some people waste money on stuff that not only contribute to another person's living but actually hurt other people, so I could be worse off

Please excuse the next paragraph, as it's a total digression from the main subject:
You're saying that people would kill for something that works, but from what I see on the internet in general (not just this forum), is that people don't want to go too far for things (then again one might say that it's because they are not convinced they will work, but then again they didn't even try, I'm not talking about marketed shampoos though), e.g. I've noticed many a time that some person would post about how abstaining from sexual pleasure (much less horrible than killing, right?) helped him stop hair loss, only to get replies that people prefer to lose than hair than stop masturbating, or give up on hot showers etc.
Given that reality, I don't think people would go as far as killing, but of course that's just a figure of speech, and I don't think you really meant that, but what you meant is that people would go far, but I wonder just how far will they really go.

The reason I gave this example is that my "golden age" i.e. the 3 years period that my hairloss halted completely were the years I practiced those habits (not for hairloss, mind you , I only noticed it in hindsight). Now, I'm not saying they are the cause, but saying they were at the same time, so it got me curious. At the minimum I think of trying them again, as I had other benefits as well during those times. I stopped when pressure in my life started increasing, I started lacking a bit in my self-discipline then like a tower of cards it all fell down

Anyways, just felt like sharing these things ^^. They don't relate to the main thread.

[markusbdc]

Thanks for the suggestion.
The ingredent does seem promising, but the whole premise of becoming a scientist ordering stuff that gets warnings of "not for human consumption" and having a mini laboratory concocting materials looks unnerving.

I would expect at least a single even semi-commercial product to come out if it is indeed what is cracked up to be. Maybe I'm wrong in this assumption though.

A lot of guys just mix 3.5-4 grams of RU into a 60ml jug of minoxidil and go with that for a monthly batch...pretty easy really.

[VictimOfDHT]

Well, I'm not against someone making money off others as long as their product delivers what it promises. But It's your money after all and you're free to do whatever you want with it. But still, that doesn't change the fact that most of these products and shampoos that claim to regrow hair are useless. I still don't think there's anything out there that can prevent baldness or give you a full head of hair again. I know many of these products say they use stimulants (caffeine, emu oil, biotin....) but I think there's been a lot of talk about these products here and on other forums but I haven't heard of any real success stories where people using these products ended up getting their hair back. I don't know. Are there ? I'd like to hear. Well, would you let me know if you have any success with the stuff you're using ? I still think most of these shampoos use Minox, or Ketokonazole (same stuff in Nizoral) but you're paying a lot more for their fancy versions of treatments. Has anyone here had any success with Emu oil, castor oil, caffeine....? I know these are some of the other ingredients they use.
Anyway, all I can say is good luck with whatever you're using but I'd be happy to hear how it goes.

[psychic]

A lot of guys just mix 3.5-4 grams of RU into a 60ml jug of minoxidil and go with that for a monthly batch...pretty easy really.

Sounds simple to make!
But I react badly to minoxidil, and I'm still a bit hesitant to use this for long term, until I hear more about it after it's applied for a longer time. Which is problematic because I can't afford to wait

[psychic]

Well, I'm not against someone making money off others as long as their product delivers what it promises. But It's your money after all and you're free to do whatever you want with it. But still, that doesn't change the fact that most of these products and shampoos that claim to regrow hair are useless. I still don't think there's anything out there that can prevent baldness or give you a full head of hair again. I know many of these products say they use stimulants (caffeine, emu oil, biotin....) but I think there's been a lot of talk about these products here and on other forums but I haven't heard of any real success stories where people using these products ended up getting their hair back. I don't know. Are there ? I'd like to hear. Well, would you let me know if you have any success with the stuff you're using ? I still think most of these shampoos use Minox, or Ketokonazole (same stuff in Nizoral) but you're paying a lot more for their fancy versions of treatments. Has anyone here had any success with Emu oil, castor oil, caffeine....? I know these are some of the other ingredients they use.
Anyway, all I can say is good luck with whatever you're using but I'd be happy to hear how it goes.

Thanks!

To be honest, my gut feeling (but it's nothing more than that) is that some of those ingredients can be helpful in very small amounts, but they can't be relied upon to stop hairloss by themselves. And even if you combine a multitude of them like I'm trying to do by buying a couple of different shampoos and using them in rotation, I think that other things should be used as well as it's not enough.
The treatments that can be relied upon just by themselves, like fin are almost out of scope for me. Like I said before I'll go back to taking it maybe .25 once or twice a week. So that's why I'm supplementary stuff that may push me just a tad bit in the right direction.

[VictimOfDHT]

Well, that's my whole point - is that these shampoos won't really do much. They might help a little if they're used in conjunction with Fin and Minox, but by themselves...

Have you tried Saw Palmetto? It's supposed to be the same as Fin but it's "natural".

Onion juice (on the scalp) is supposed to help with hair loss.

[psychic]

Well, that's my whole point - is that these shampoos won't really do much. They might help a little if they're used in conjunction with Fin and Minox, but by themselves...

Have you tried Saw Palmetto? It's supposed to be the same as Fin but it's "natural".

Onion juice (on the scalp) is supposed to help with hair loss.

I've heard about Saw soon after getting the horrible side effects with fin. And I was so horrified I didn't want to touch anything that works the same way as fin whether it's natural or not.

Perhaps I should give it a try.

Thanks