I read that study before but I missed some of the discussion they went over. Turns out WNT10b and possibly other WNTs have the ability to signal to the mesenchyme via the DPC to increase the progenitor pool + promote differentiation towards keratinocytes. In other words, Oleuropein can stimulate the stem cells to start proliferating so that the DPC have enough cells to grow hair. Without these stem cells the DPC will not be able to build the follicles. Thanks for bringing this to my attention, excellent stuff InBeforeTheCure.
Yes! I've just come to realise that minox stimulates a 40% increase in 17BHD.
I've shown before that the 17BHD, 3BetaHSD family facilitate the conversion of DHT to 3Beta Diol which negatively affects hair growth. And although miconazole/keto reduce those proteins, this increase from minoxidil might just negate the positive effects of mico/keto. I'm not sure if the Adenosine receptor activation (how minoxidil actually increases VEGF and grows hair) is worth the increase in ER beta activation. I'm going to think about this a bit more. But if you want to avoid minox, then you should definitely try the ethanolic solution or even make your own. You MUST dissolve the oleuropein.
Not too sure about this brand. If you're buying from amazon uk then I'd suggest the one joshuk linked below, that ones got numbers and its an ethanolic mixture which is perfect as is. I will advise you to get yourself some emu oil as that will help with application rather than tretinoin. Yes, tretinoin can increase skin permeability, but its a keratinocyte proliferation stabilizer - good for acne, but hair rely on the proliferation of kerainocytes. There are studies which demonstrate the negative effect of the tretinoid receptors on hair follicles, I'll have to dig them up. Here a study that shows even small amount of tretinoin with minoxidil produced sub par results in comparison to minox alone.
I'd recommend this link: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B...ilpage_o00_s00
Courtesy of joshuk.
In simple terms:
DHT increases DKK1
DKK1 inhibits hair growth
Oleuropein inhibits DKK1, thus allowing your hair to growth
DHT also increases 3BetaDiol
3BetaDiol activates ER Beta
ER Beta cuts off the blood supply to your hair follicles
Ketoconazole and miconazole prevent DHT from increasing 3BetaDiol
Hair grows faster with WNT10b
Oleuropein increases WNT10b
I'm going to make a diagram to make it easier to visualise. I really want people to understand the science because I dont want people blindly trying whatever they see on the internet. Knowledge is power, if you do not understand, do not make reckless decisions. Ask first, I will try to clarify, and only then should you make informed decisions.
Thank you Josh! That brand is perfect. CB should definitely help and I want to see how oleuropein augments AR antagonists. Keep us posted.
Yes! I've just come to realise that minox stimulates a 40% increase in 17BHD.
Minoxidil increases 17 beta-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase and 5 alpha-reductase activity of cultured human dermal papilla cells from balding scalp.
Abstract
Minoxidil is known to induce hair growth in male pattern baldness, for which development androgen plays a central role. We studied the effect of minoxidil on testosterone metabolism by cultured dermal papilla cells from balding or nonbalding scalp and dermal fibroblasts. In all three groups, 17beta-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase activity was much higher than 5alpha-reductase activity. Minoxidil increased 17beta-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase activity by nearly 40% (P < 0.001) in dermal papilla cells of balding scalp, whereas the effect was less marked in dermal papilla cells from nonbalding scalp and dermal fibroblasts. 5alpha-Reductase activity was also slightly increased by minoxidil in dermal papilla cells from balding scalp. Again, the effect on 5alpha-reductase activity was insignificant in the other two groups of cells. Whether such modification of testosterone metabolism in dermal papilla cells of balding scalp by minoxidil is related to its therapeutic effect remains unknown.
Abstract
Minoxidil is known to induce hair growth in male pattern baldness, for which development androgen plays a central role. We studied the effect of minoxidil on testosterone metabolism by cultured dermal papilla cells from balding or nonbalding scalp and dermal fibroblasts. In all three groups, 17beta-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase activity was much higher than 5alpha-reductase activity. Minoxidil increased 17beta-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase activity by nearly 40% (P < 0.001) in dermal papilla cells of balding scalp, whereas the effect was less marked in dermal papilla cells from nonbalding scalp and dermal fibroblasts. 5alpha-Reductase activity was also slightly increased by minoxidil in dermal papilla cells from balding scalp. Again, the effect on 5alpha-reductase activity was insignificant in the other two groups of cells. Whether such modification of testosterone metabolism in dermal papilla cells of balding scalp by minoxidil is related to its therapeutic effect remains unknown.
Not too sure about this brand. If you're buying from amazon uk then I'd suggest the one joshuk linked below, that ones got numbers and its an ethanolic mixture which is perfect as is. I will advise you to get yourself some emu oil as that will help with application rather than tretinoin. Yes, tretinoin can increase skin permeability, but its a keratinocyte proliferation stabilizer - good for acne, but hair rely on the proliferation of kerainocytes. There are studies which demonstrate the negative effect of the tretinoid receptors on hair follicles, I'll have to dig them up. Here a study that shows even small amount of tretinoin with minoxidil produced sub par results in comparison to minox alone.
Tretinoin was reported to increase percutaneous absorption of Minoxidil by increasing the stratum corneum permeability [32]. Our study demonstrated that Tretinoin in combination with Minoxidil caused a significant increase in hair growth and a significant increase in hair follicle diameter. However, in this study the results obtained from the combination of Minoxidil with low dose Tretinoin are less than that of Minoxidil alone and this warrants further studies to evaluate the role of Tretinoin in combination with Minoxidil in the treatment of hair loss.
Courtesy of joshuk.
In simple terms:
DHT increases DKK1
DKK1 inhibits hair growth
Oleuropein inhibits DKK1, thus allowing your hair to growth
DHT also increases 3BetaDiol
3BetaDiol activates ER Beta
ER Beta cuts off the blood supply to your hair follicles
Ketoconazole and miconazole prevent DHT from increasing 3BetaDiol
Hair grows faster with WNT10b
Oleuropein increases WNT10b
I'm going to make a diagram to make it easier to visualise. I really want people to understand the science because I dont want people blindly trying whatever they see on the internet. Knowledge is power, if you do not understand, do not make reckless decisions. Ask first, I will try to clarify, and only then should you make informed decisions.
Thank you Josh! That brand is perfect. CB should definitely help and I want to see how oleuropein augments AR antagonists. Keep us posted.
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