World Hair Congress 2015

[dus]

It's more pointless and dumb to be making the argument you are, because there will be a number of new treatments before that time. You're just whining about what's in your day-to-day consciousness.

I just found your statement absurd. Not going to debate a timeline for future treatments.

[It's2014ComeOnAlready]

I just found your statement absurd. Not going to debate a timeline for future treatments.

You suggested there won't be any new treatments in 10 years. That's absurd.

[FearTheLoss]

Anyone who thinks we were in a better place in 2013 is moronic. Aderans was always a fail, histogen has never shown impressive enough results, ACell uses are improving (Dr. Wesley basing his procedure on REAL science that is proven for donor regeneration), Replicel got major investors, Kythera started PGD2 inhibiting trials, SM came out of nowhere with MASSIVE trials, bim is up in the air, but I've never had huge hopes for it, we know it works but maybe not well enough to market, and science is every improving.

I don't consider follicept anything promising, I think PRP treatments will improve once there is greater understanding of the procedure, and I think lasers may actually be beneficial as many doctors are starting to believe as well. Furthermore, CB is finishing phase 2 poc in a couple months and has been moving forward slowly but steadily this whole time.

[FearTheLoss]

My predictions:

CB makes it to market as an alternative to fin with slightly better results/no sides. Replicel comes out 2020 asia and is the first preventative "cure" plus some regrowth. BIM doesn't make it to market. Seti makes it to market as fin alternative. Dr. Wesley achieves regeneration and pilofocus takes over the field of hair regeneration. I think we are going to be hit by a wave of treatments soon guys. No real "cures" for nw7 guys yet, but definite improvements.

[Swooping]

Only a totally nonsense person would say Replicel is dead.
Btw Swooping doesnt want anything to work. Clearly he has had a hair transplant or he works for HT doctors. I've never seen he show optimistic about a stuff, even if it's back up by solid science or professional researcher.

I'm just a realist. Not a go-get dreamer like you. I'm standing with both feet on the ground, you are flying in the clouds. Optimists always look to realists as being negative. Not my problem.

Provide me evidence like a real man would do. That's when you will get me excited. But you can't show me anything, can you?

[dus]

You suggested there won't be any new treatments in 10 years. That's absurd.

It was just an example to show how dumb your statement was. You being dumb apparently didn't get that.

[It's2014ComeOnAlready]

It was just an example to show how dumb your statement was. You being dumb apparently didn't get that.

No need to resort to petty insults, it won't regrow your hair lol

[bigentries]

I'm pretty optimistic about new treatment routes that are based on a lot of research and science.

Optimistic doesn't mean naive. I couldn't care less about follicept, that is snakeoil in my eyes until it proves something.

Answer the question - would you rather it be 2013 than 2015? Actually, I'll answer it for you - no you wouldn't.

I bring up time because research takes time, FDA trials take time. Currently, research is being done, and there are treatments on the horizon that are going through FDA trials. So, I'm not sure what you're going on about.

You are naive.

I would rather be in an imaginary 2013 where all those promising treatments were still on track. For me, there's nothing in 2015 to be optimistic about. There's always been treatments on the horizon, I've been lurking forums since 2007 and there's always been treatments on the horizon that are going through FDA trials

You haven't even been in this forum for a full year. Wait a couple of years and see how optimistic you are when it comes to "lots of research and science"

[It's2014ComeOnAlready]

You are naive.

You haven't even been in this forum for a full year. Wait a couple of years and see how optimistic you are when it comes to "lots of research and science"

Take your judgments and shove them. Like being on this forum long enough is some sort of rite of passage. What a joke.

[FearTheLoss]

You are naive.

I would rather be in an imaginary 2013 where all those promising treatments were still on track. For me, there's nothing in 2015 to be optimistic about. There's always been treatments on the horizon, I've been lurking forums since 2007 and there's always been treatments on the horizon that are going through FDA trials

You haven't even been in this forum for a full year. Wait a couple of years and see how optimistic you are when it comes to "lots of research and science"

2014 may have been the most positive year for hair loss yet. I don't know why you are being so pessimistic, like me, you have been around for 8 years now..things have never looked this good. The only thing dead since 2013 is Aderans which anyone who's not an idiot saw coming, Histogen has never been a game-changer and never showed great results. Sure, 2014comeonealready can be a little optimistic at times, particularly with bim, but it's better to be optimistic then depressing and pessimistic. A lot of what he says is based on science, and some is speculation. However, we know bim works, we just don't know if it works well enough to market.

Everything else has progressed: science towards a cure, hair transplantation and regeneration, new treatments based on better science. We are in a much better position today. I don't understand why people visit the cutting edge section just to make negative posts, talk about fin and try to bring everyone else down with them to be miserable.

[bigentries]

2014 may have been the most positive year for hair loss yet. I don't know why you are being so pessimistic, like me, you have been around for 8 years now..things have never looked this good. The only thing dead since 2013 is Aderans which anyone who's not an idiot saw coming, Histogen has never been a game-changer and never showed great results. Sure, 2014comeonealready can be a little optimistic at times, particularly with bim, but it's better to be optimistic then depressing and pessimistic. A lot of what he says is based on science, and some is speculation. However, we know bim works, we just don't know if it works well enough to market.

Everything else has progressed: science towards a cure, hair transplantation and regeneration, new treatments based on better science. We are in a much better position today. I don't understand why people visit the cutting edge section just to make negative posts, talk about fin and try to bring everyone else down with them to be miserable.

I love how "everyone saw it coming" after things fail. Yeah, you should read those threads back then about Intercytex, Aderans and Histogen (add Follica, PRP and Acell too) and tell me people weren't really excited. All the arguments about how good we have it now were thrown back then too

It's not being "pessimistic" or "negative" is being realistic. Back then, we had several treatments on the edge of phase III after several years of successful trials, then it all went away. Why is it different now?

We've never seen cosmetic improvements in a male affected by MPB. We've had rats, macro pictures, hair counts, tons of studies, but I've never seen a potential treatment present undisputed evidence of cosmetic improvement in a male affected by MPB.

The sad thing is, if that ever happens, we would still be years away from commercialisation.

[BiqqieSmalls]

My predictions:

CB makes it to market as an alternative to fin with slightly better results/no sides. Replicel comes out 2020 asia and is the first preventative "cure" plus some regrowth. BIM doesn't make it to market. Seti makes it to market as fin alternative. Dr. Wesley achieves regeneration and pilofocus takes over the field of hair regeneration. I think we are going to be hit by a wave of treatments soon guys. No real "cures" for nw7 guys yet, but definite improvements.

Good predictions M8. I agree on most of it. My only concern is after all the years we've been on Finasteride or Dutasteride and we all of a sudden drop it to add Seti. People that jump off DHT inhibitors and go to Seti might lose some serious ground.

[Hairismylife]

I'm just a realist. Not a go-get dreamer like you. I'm standing with both feet on the ground, you are flying in the clouds. Optimists always look to realists as being negative. Not my problem.

Provide me evidence like a real man would do. That's when you will get me excited. But you can't show me anything, can you?

Lol…criticising everthing except HT and RU means being realistic. Got it. I bet if anything pans out to be working, you'll still nitpick the pettiest thing.
And it's so unconvincing of you and your comments that you request every evidence but you never doubt the authenticity of the RU photos. Any reasonable person can see how biased you are.

[Swooping]

Lol…criticising everthing except HT and RU means being realistic. Got it. I bet if anything pans out to be working, you'll still nitpick the pettiest thing.
And it's so unconvincing of you and your comments that you request every evidence but you never doubt the authenticity of the RU photos. Any reasonable person can see how biased you are.

Wow strong argument. The only thing that I see in your post are logical fallacies.

Nonetheless I'll provide you evidence;

-7% increase hair count Replicel
-11% increase hair count Histogen
-15% increase hair count Bimatoprost

See those 3 numbers Hairismylife? A while ago we didn't know these numbers. We were in the dark about these numbers. Heck we could only guess what results those treatments would give. Had Replicel shown a mean increase hair count of 40% or something like that then yes I would be very excited. The research a while ago was way more exciting too.

But things are as they are dude, simple as that. This is evidence, and the evidence is not pretty to say the least. Minoxidil averages 25% hair count increase. That is from a compound that is almost 35 years old now. What do you want me to do Hairismylife? Be positive about these shit results? Come back to me when you can provide numbers that beat minoxidil by a margin.

Yes I support current treatments like finasteride, dutasteride, minoxidil & RU. What is the problem with that? These treatments are a solution for many people who want to fix the situation they are in, expect for the guys that are unlucky and suffer from side effects. What else do people need to do? Sit in a corner depressed like you with "hope" and "faith" for a better treatment to come?

I will rather project a realistic view to people. The day that any company will come out with a treatment with valid evidence I will be the first one dancing naked on the street. I want it just as much as you. I just don't see any of it now.

[Afghanwig]

I love how "everyone saw it coming" after things fail. Yeah, you should read those threads back then about Intercytex, Aderans and Histogen (add Follica, PRP and Acell too) and tell me people weren't really excited. All the arguments about how good we have it now were thrown back then too

Hehe exactly. And it are always the same people hyping those treatments and when they fail or turned out to be scams, everybody saw that coming, sure. Hey who would trust a doctor from India, right? Everybody knew he was a scammer. Just like everybody knew Histogen would fail. Sure. Exactly like everybody knew that Follicept panned out to be nothing, next year. And the same people hyping it now knew all the way along it wasnt going to work.

And in 2017, they'll say: nah, 2015 sucked but NOW we have REAL treatments coming!!!

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