2015 outlook.

[It's2014ComeOnAlready]

Bimatoprost should be available late this year or early 2016. It will be a game-changer for two reasons - 1. will work anywhere on the scalp. 2. Could possibly take people off of propecia. If this stuff is powerful enough (as it has been rumored to be), it will keep hair in anagen phase longer with the dermal paplliae cells producing more keratinocytes and melanocytes. Just keep applying it to your thinning hair. Studies have shown it increases cell-to-cell communication, increasing hair production and protects against the ravages of DHT.

Check it out, it's all there: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3545535/

[Keki]

how can bim be in the market in just 1 year if they are not even in phase3 yet?

[It's2014ComeOnAlready]

how can bim be in the market in just 1 year if they are not even in phase3 yet?

It finished phase 2b in January, and if the results were good enough, they'd jump straight into a phase 3. When asking for data on phase 2b, they said the info would be available to the public next year. This is not a new drug, this is just a higher concentration. If the results were excellent, and would work anywhere on the scalp, then why would they let everyone know?

If the results were poor, the project would've been dropped and they would've made it known. Also, it's very unlikely Kythera would be testing setipiprant if the results of using prostaglandin technology were very limited. Don't forget that the Kythera Chief Medical Officer worked at Allergan for a very long time. You think he doesn't know the results of the trial? Ha! But, if they're the verge of releasing a highly effective treatment with a drug that's already available, why let everyone know? It's best to get through trials as soon as possible, and get it out to the public yourself and make more money.

[Keki]

yep but still will require several months to do an extensive phase 3, it will never be in the market before a couple of years, let's say they will start tomorrow with phase 3, then they will wait 6month- and 1 year results at least, publication, fda (most likely will be a fast one cuz is alredy in the market for eyelash) and then we will have the product

[It's2014ComeOnAlready]

yep but still will require several months to do an extensive phase 3, it will never be in the market before a couple of years, let's say they will start tomorrow with phase 3, then they will wait 6month- and 1 year results at least, publication, fda (most likely will be a fast one cuz is alredy in the market for eyelash) and then we will have the product

You pulled that one out of your butt. If they will immediately begin a phase 3, then that means it has already started since the last study was completed in January. If you check the clinical trial for this, it says "study is ongoing but not recruiting participants." Trials for hair loss take about six months, because a full hair cycle needs to occur. So that's six months, final outcome and data analysis ~ 2 months, and if they file an NDA, it can be done during phase 3 because, as we know, this is NOT a new drug.

Your speculation is negative, and doesn't hinge on anything real. Just a number you came up with.

[sdsurfin]

You are both speculating. Who knows how the Bim trials went. they could be holding info for a variety of reasons. They would still have to file for a phase 3 trial and show it online, and that has not been done. they might be continuing their phase 2 until next year because they want to improve or see more results. That would be my guess. I doubt they have filed a phase3, or we would have sene it somewhere. Also, there's no reason to hide results if they are great. would make their stock go up and give them more money and interest to get it all finished. Not saying anyone is right or wrong, but who knows.


In other news **** trials, I am working on getting us CB, Bim, topical fin, OC, and maybe setipiprant from TLR. Very helpful guy. We shall soon see what works and what doesn't. If anyone has any info on what concentration topical fin and what formulation hasson and wong or others have been prescribing, please let me know asap.

[FearTheLoss]

You are both speculating. Who knows how the Bim trials went. they could be holding info for a variety of reasons. They would still have to file for a phase 3 trial and show it online, and that has not been done. they might be continuing their phase 2 until next year because they want to improve or see more results. That would be my guess. I doubt they have filed a phase3, or we would have sene it somewhere. Also, there's no reason to hide results if they are great. would make their stock go up and give them more money and interest to get it all finished. Not saying anyone is right or wrong, but who knows.


In other news **** trials, I am working on getting us CB, Bim, topical fin, OC, and maybe setipiprant from TLR. Very helpful guy. We shall soon see what works and what doesn't. If anyone has any info on what concentration topical fin and what formulation hasson and wong or others have been prescribing, please let me know asap.

SD you're going to have sides with topical fin. theres no way around that, I'm in the same boat as you and I have tried everything fin related. Your best bet is to get CB and use it at 5% twice daily, but we need to get the price down a lot for that to happen. Maybe TLR can do it.

[Parsia]

You are both speculating. Who knows how the Bim trials went. they could be holding info for a variety of reasons. They would still have to file for a phase 3 trial and show it online, and that has not been done. they might be continuing their phase 2 until next year because they want to improve or see more results. That would be my guess. I doubt they have filed a phase3, or we would have sene it somewhere. Also, there's no reason to hide results if they are great. would make their stock go up and give them more money and interest to get it all finished. Not saying anyone is right or wrong, but who knows.


In other news **** trials, I am working on getting us CB, Bim, topical fin, OC, and maybe setipiprant from TLR. Very helpful guy. We shall soon see what works and what doesn't. If anyone has any info on what concentration topical fin and what formulation hasson and wong or others have been prescribing, please let me know asap.

Hi Sdsurfin , first of all thanks a lot for your very nice posts about Set and Oc in our forums.
It should be around 0.1 % for topical fin and you can use promox ( dr.klein ) or susan lotion to use it with 15 % minoxidil.

[TravisB]

Imagine if Bim turned out to be much stronger than Minox AND so strong that you wouldn't even need to be taking Fin with it.

Latisse with only 0.03% Bim concentration can make eyelashes thick as ****, so imagine what it could do with concentration like 1%

Also, I found this thread on hairsite where the guy was using Latisse on his hair, and he even says that he DILUTED it, so the concentration was even lower than 0.03%
I dunno, the pics seem rather legit



You can find few more cases when you do a Google Search

The main reason why more people don't try Latisse on hair is because of the price - it's expensive as ****. Only 5ml (0.17oz) bottle costs around $100, so it lasts for 1-2 applications on the head at best With that price, a month of treatment would cost $1500 - $3000 which is ridiculous

On this site you can see 84% positive reviews out of 402 ratings, so it just seems that it REALLY WORKS on eyelashes -
If it works on eyelashes, then I don't know why wouldn't it work on hair on the head? They can't be THAT much different.

IMO Bim is very legit. If Allergan brings it on the market for hair loss, they would probably be able to reduce the price A LOT with mass production.

It will probably still cost at least $50 - $100 for 1 month of treatment, but if it worked wonders and freed us from Fin and Minox, it will still be worth it.

[FearTheLoss]

Imagine if Bim turned out to be much stronger than Minox AND so strong that you wouldn't even need to be taking Fin with it.

Latisse with only 0.03% Bim concentration can make eyelashes thick as ****, so imagine what it could do with concentration like 1%

Also, I found this thread on hairsite where the guy was using Latisse on his hair, and he even says that he DILUTED it, so the concentration was even lower than 0.03%

I dunno, the pics seem rather legit



You can find few more cases when you do a Google Search

The main reason why more people don't try Latisse on hair is because of the price - it's expensive as ****. Only 5ml (0.17oz) bottle costs around $100, so it lasts for 1-2 applications on the head at best With that price, a month of treatment would cost $1500 - $3000 which is ridiculous

On this site you can see 84% positive reviews out of 402 ratings, so it just seems that it REALLY WORKS on eyelashes -
If it works on eyelashes, then I don't know why wouldn't it work on hair on the head? They can't be THAT much different.

IMO Bim is very legit. If Allergan brings it on the market for hair loss, they would probably be able to reduce the price A LOT with mass production.

It will probably still cost at least $50 - $100 for 1 month of treatment, but if it worked wonders and freed us from Fin and Minox, it will still be worth it.

There's no way he had those results in 19 days.

[Occulus]

There's no way he had those results in 19 days.

Yup, it's impossible. Hair does not grow that fast under any condition. Those pics are a scam. As for Bim, I think Spencer had it right: If the trials had been successful, Allergen would have been crowing about them. That's the point of a corporation - to make money. If they have something that will make money, they would tell the market so that the stock would rise. There's no good reason for keeping the results secret.

[rdawg]

There's no way he had those results in 19 days.

I remember seeing that result, it's not that crazy of a result, moreso darkening of the hair maybe slight thickening, i dont think his results continued either, but at a higher dose it may have. Searching around you can see similar decent results.

I have high hopes for BIM, everything points to it working to at least some degree, there's no question of that, the big question is whether or not the stronger dose can make it so that it works for the vast majority of people in a noticable way, or in other words is monetarily feasible

[FearTheLoss]

Yup, it's impossible. Hair does not grow that fast under any condition. Those pics are a scam. As for Bim, I think Spencer had it right: If the trials had been successful, Allergen would have been crowing about them. That's the point of a corporation - to make money. If they have something that will make money, they would tell the market so that the stock would rise. There's no good reason for keeping the results secret.

When did Spencer say this? last i heard he said he had heard the results were good and could have people coming off minox and fin?..

[balding1983]

I too feel the same way.
Would a oil company hold back news of a new oil find? Of course they won't! They want to release the news as soon as possible so people can buy their stock to raise the price.

Companies would do anything to stop the price of their stock falling. The only reason for a company to hold back news is if its bad. Move on people, Bimatoprost is not going anywhere!

[PayDay]

When did Spencer say this? last i heard he said he had heard the results were good and could have people coming off minox and fin?..

It’s like playing the telephone game on this forum sometimes. When did Spencer ever say that people will be able to get off of Propecia or minox? The only thing I ever heard him say is that Bim looks promising and if it works as well as some claim it might be a good option for people who are afraid to take Propecia or who have not done well on minox. Just another possible option. I think you've been listening to Joe from SI too much! LOL!