Blood test (DHT) with finasteride every other day.

[tdo]

Julio,

I cant say why there is a discrepancy between your tests. There are just too many variables. I dont know where, who, or how you are getting your blood tests done. I dont know if anything has changed with your lab since you got your blood measured the first time. Its impossible to speculate on my part...

You should have realized something was terribly wrong with your blood tests after you got the saw palmetto results. That in itself is a huge red flag.

Anyhow, good luck with your journey in the agonizing hair loss fight. I wish you nothing but the best my friend!

[hiilikeyourbeard]

hey i'm getting my blood test done in a day or so what should i be asking for specifically? thanks guys

[JulioGP]

tdo, I do not think the problem is with my results or my lab. The Ryan555 conducted blood tests and found no changes. In my previous results I took Fina daily tests showed reductions in DHT. Nothing has changed in the laboratory, is one of the best in Brazil. I believe that what is wrong is these studies no reliable source and that are published on the internet. There are few people who do tests to observe the outcome, most believe these studies and will never perform a blood test to see if it's true or not. I understand your opinion, but I believe in my results instead these studies rather mysterious and nobody knows who the author is. Soon make another test with the use of 0.5 mg and post here. Let's see what will happen

[JulioGP]

One more thing tdo. Who have you seen in the forum that conducted blood tests before and after using Saw Palmetto and confirmed its effectiveness? Until today I have not seen anyone. We have to be careful with what is spoken and what is proven with tests and not tests of unknown authors launched on the internet. See this for example:

"Dr. Leavitt gave a speech two years ago that SP has NO effect on DHT. I would counter there are studies showing it does have some benefit, but how much compared to Propecia? I think the studies for SP are sorely lacking in quality and quantity. Some people think SP is better and safer than Propecia because it's natural. Just because something is made in nature's lab versus man's lab doesn't make it any better or safer. I think I'll stick with Propecia and over a decade of study data and proof of efficacy before trusting my hair to SP. "

And another user:
"I was taking Saw Palmetto 520mg/day and Beta Sitosterol 375mg/day. My blood test saw no effect on my serum DHT levels (DHT in blood).
On the other hand 0.5mg of Dut (EOD when I did another blood test) saw significant reduction on my DHT.
SP and BS are both have a very weak antiandrogen effect. This effect is not able to fight MPB...
We spend A LOT of money and time for our hair. A blood test can give you many answers..."

Ie, there are many saying that there is NO the effectiveness of Saw Palmetto in DHT, exactly what my blood test showed. Why believe otherwise if nobody does blood tests? I think that is the option of each believe what you want, but I prefer to believe my blood tests performed in a laboratory highly recognized than simple texts on the internet.

[tdo]

Julio,

I never said SP was effective at lowering DHT.

Seriously, look at your results. It makes absolutely no sense.

You had a baseline of 723 yet you took various DHT lowering drugs and saw your DHT increase.

Even if SP and Keratene has questionable effectiveness on DHT , your DHT level should have stayed nearly the same and not increase by over 35 percent.

The same thing happened again when you took Fin, something that is proven to lower your DHT levels. Even if you think Fin is able to lose its pharmacological effects in less than 12 hours, the body will not over produce DHT levels to a tune of 30 percent over your baseline.

Just think about your results from a logical stand point for a minute.... How does it even make any sense?

So either your baseline of 723 is wrong or something is totally not right about your blood testing results. Seeing that your SP, Keratene, and Fin have similar DHT numbers, I can only conclude that your blood testing results are inaccurate.

I applaud you for taking the steps to get hard facts by getting your blood work done, but I'm sorry to say your results don't prove much to me...

[JulioGP]

I agree with you, but those are the numbers I have at the moment. What I'll do is persist with the results in different "models" to see what happens, as I will do with this new test here 1 month with 0.5 mg of finasteride daily. If this new test show any reduction, we can certainly conclude that both Saw Palmetto and the method "every other day" are not effective when it is DHT (the villain of baldness yet known). If do not give any reduction, I'll be in doubt who to sue first.

In relation to my base value, for some reason after I start these substances (unapproved) to inhibit DHT, there was an increase of the same. I do not know if my body deregulated with these drugs that were to reduce and there was a rebound effect. What I do know is that just earlier this year, shortly after inicado Saw Palmetto I had a huge hair loss. Until I could be shedding the Saw Palmetto and just at that time my DHT went up, found the exams.

I will update all here soon. I´ll do another blood test in a few days with the use of 0.5 mg of finasteride. Anyway, thanks for the answers, tdo.

Hugs.

[youngin]

WHY do you keep posting your obviously messed up tests. YOUR BASELINE IS WRONG. JUST LOOK. QUIT DOING TESTS AND TRYING TO CONVINCE PEOPLE.

[JulioGP]

WHY do you keep posting your obviously messed up tests. YOUR BASELINE IS WRONG. JUST LOOK. QUIT DOING TESTS AND TRYING TO CONVINCE PEOPLE.

fortunately my intention was never to want to convince someone not gain anything from it. I'm just sharing this information for those who are interested and do not want to get attached to any study of the internet. You are wrong, sorry.

[optimisticyouth]

fortunately my intention was never to want to convince someone not gain anything from it. I'm just sharing this information for those who are interested and do not want to get attached to any study of the internet. You are wrong, sorry.

Your results don't make a whole lot of sense though. Finadteride doesn't attack dht directly, as you know, its the 5ar that is destroyed. Once a 5ar molecule is attacked, its done. It won't produce anymore dht. It then takes the body several days to synthesize new 5ar. That's why the half life of finasteride in the bloodstream doesn't really matter.

Perhaps you should have given this trial more time?

[JulioGP]

Your results don't make a whole lot of sense though. Finadteride doesn't attack dht directly, as you know, its the 5ar that is destroyed. Once a 5ar molecule is attacked, its done. It won't produce anymore dht. It then takes the body several days to synthesize new 5ar. That's why the half life of finasteride in the bloodstream doesn't really matter.

Perhaps you should have given this trial more time?

Exactly optimisticyouth.

The half-life of finasteride does not matter if it actually prevented the conversion to DHT was made even after finasteride was no longer present in the blood.

Finasteride attacks 5AR preventing testosterone from being converted into DHT. What was shown in this study is that when using a single dose of Finasteride was the reduction of DHT for several days. There was no need to do a "loading" of finasteride, according to the study.

I was using finasteride every other day for 20 days did not think it would need more time to observe any changes, since this study shows that the internet DHT decreased with only one dose.

If we analyze some comments unintelligent as the user "youngin", even though my baseline was wrong, my DHT was above 900pg/ml should have decreased, ie, IF my baseline was wrong it would not be relevant and should have been reduced DHT anyway.

[youngin]

If we analyze some comments unintelligent as the user "youngin", even though my baseline was wrong, my DHT was above 900pg/ml should have decreased, ie, IF my baseline was wrong it would not be relevant and should have been reduced DHT anyway.

Oh yes lets analyze your messed up results. Baseline is obviously wrong. So compare the others. 26 days on Keratene = 965. 20 days on Fin = 942. OH LOOK, Keratene suppressed almost as much DHT as Fin, because Fin DOES WORK. Now go back to the thread on Keratene and admit to everyone it works. K THANKS. Or throw all of your results out because obviously they are WRONG.

[optimisticyouth]

Exactly optimisticyouth.

The half-life of finasteride does not matter if it actually prevented the conversion to DHT was made even after finasteride was no longer present in the blood.

Finasteride attacks 5AR preventing testosterone from being converted into DHT. What was shown in this study is that when using a single dose of Finasteride was the reduction of DHT for several days. There was no need to do a "loading" of finasteride, according to the study.

I was using finasteride every other day for 20 days did not think it would need more time to observe any changes, since this study shows that the internet DHT decreased with only one dose.

If we analyze some comments unintelligent as the user "youngin", even though my baseline was wrong, my DHT was above 900pg/ml should have decreased, ie, IF my baseline was wrong it would not be relevant and should have been reduced DHT anyway.

That's what makes me question your results. I understand if propecia had no effect (perhaps you're a non-responder, or 20 days isn't enough time, idk) but for it to increase your dht seems illogical, to say the least.

[ajays]

Can't believe these results either. Julio has been a great poster and dedicated lot of time,money and effort but I think his blood tests are just messed up, maybe it's the elisa method that his lab uses or the lab just messed up overall. Cant believe that fin is not lowering his DHT.

[UK_]

Your results don't make a whole lot of sense though. Finadteride doesn't attack dht directly, as you know, its the 5ar that is destroyed. Once a 5ar molecule is attacked, its done. It won't produce anymore dht. It then takes the body several days to synthesize new 5ar. That's why the half life of finasteride in the bloodstream doesn't really matter.

Perhaps you should have given this trial more time?

Not all 5ar is destroyed, DHT does not go to 0% serum concentration, 30 - 40% still remains, which is enough to slow down hair loss.

[goldbondmafia]

just got mine back I took the dht test 6 weeks after already starting fin. My result is

2932 pmol/l

WTF is that on the ng/dl scale? I am trying to find a converter. In December of 2011 my levels were 4128 pmol/l so it is significantly lower in my opinion