Conpecia's Indo/Chromo/Minox Log

[Conpecia]

Received Iron Dragon Indo/Chromo today and just applied both in addition to Rogaine foam 5%. This will be a once daily application in the evening. The singular goal is the complete cessation of hair loss; any regrowth will be a bonus.

Notes:

-The indomethacin is warm when applied.
-Make sure your hair is toweled dry before applying. I didn't in my haste and now I'm dripping water plus the mixture everywhere and can't dry it for fear of losing some and wasting an application.


-"Before" photos are forthcoming. Do not expect high quality photos. They'll show the hairline and crown as best I can. If results are mind blowing you'll be able to tell. If not who cares.

-I'll try to update at least weekly. I get pissed when guys go away for months at a time leaving us guessing.

-I'll answer questions when I can but mostly this will be a passive log. If I don't answer you it's nothing personal, I'm just a very busy guy and my knowledge on all this is pretty limited.

-Any advice on application is appreciated. I just sprayed some into my hands and massaged my scalp so I'm not sure how much got through my hair. But as I said the indo is warm.

-No sides so far other than slight itchiness on forehead.



Hopefully I'll be able to flush my fin down the toilet in 3 months. Wish me luck.

[FearTheLoss]

Good luck conpecia! hoping the best for you..

my only question is, does the indo/chromo come ready to apply from iron dragon? or do you have to mix it with something?

FTL

[Conpecia]

Thanks. Comes ready

[clandestine]

Great, will be following this closely. Keep us updated every few months.

All the best, con.

[Cob984]

Nice bro, i might hop on this soon, replace topical cet with it, but lets see, its already on the way along with ram - not sure when i will start using them

[StayThick]

Guys, any reported sides or mumblings of possible sides from people on this combo?

Why not use RAM by itself? What's the purpose of the Indo/Chromo if it inhibits the good PGE2? I wonder what this could induce side wise...

Good luck, I'll jump on board once I gather more info, but this log helps tremendously.

[Conpecia]

Guys, any reported sides or mumblings of possible sides from people on this combo?

Why not use RAM by itself? What's the purpose of the Indo/Chromo if it inhibits the good PGE2? I wonder what this could induce side wise...

Good luck, I'll jump on board once I gather more info, but this log helps tremendously.

I haven't heard of anyone successfully using RAM alone, whereas several have reported their loss stopping on indo/chromo. People who switched to RAM are even switching back now, saying IC worked better...

[KO1]

I suspect it may have something to do with the CRTH2 receptor regenerating fast....

[Conpecia]

Guy from Hair Site: "I can't speak for Alec, but I have definitely seen a shedding or thinning since switching from Indo/Chromo to Ramatroban. My wife had just said that she could see that my hair was thickening just before I switched, and now I'm right back where I was before trying anything. That said, I can't definitively blame the Ramatroban. I'm under an enormous amount of stress right now. Plus, I tried a testosterone supplement for a couple of weeks to see if it would negatively affect my hair. I'm off it now, but my hair still hasn't recovered. I've planned to stick with the Ram until the end of the year to give it time, but if I keep thinning for another month or so I may have to switch back. "

[walrus]

Thanks for keeping us updated, will be following this with interest.

-Any advice on application is appreciated. I just sprayed some into my hands and massaged my scalp so I'm not sure how much got through my hair. But as I said the indo is warm.

Can it be sprayed directly onto the scalp? If not, I would be inclined to wear latex gloves or something to massage it into the scalp. After all, there is no need for it to be absorbed anywhere else (through the skin of your hands).

[Conpecia]

Update:

second day of application, made sure the hair was toweled dry, applied all three products, first outlining my hairline with rogaine foam and rubbing it in, then a thin streak down my parted hair, then a small blob on my crown. after the minox, sprayed three sprays of chromo, one near center of hairline, one in middle of scalp, one on crown. repeated with indo in the same manner, and again felt the warmth on top of the scalp for a few seconds. rubbed everything in with my hands before washing them thoroughly.

notes:

-this leaves your hair very greasy and it takes a lot longer to dry than minox alone. it's not something i could feasibly use during the daytime.

-it itches pretty severely, i'd say 6.5/10 where 10 is the most severe itch i've ever experienced. it's the exact same itch as the dreaded "mpb itch," only more severe. kinda scary, to be honest. it kept me up last night. i've read that this will subside after a week or so. i definitely hope so...

-not going to make ANY claims about a cessation of shedding until it's been at least 1 month. never believe guys who will tell you their hair "stopped shedding after a couple days." from what i've read, hair that is falling out has been in the "falling out" phase for weeks. even if it did stop the loss, you wouldn't know in a couple days.

-however, if my shedding *increases*, you'll definitely be hearing about it.

[KO1]

Dont worry about "shedding", people keep talking about the feared "shedding", just focus on photographic hair state. You will go crazy monitoring sheds.

[UK Boy]

I always think it's unbelieveable when guys say something stopped their shedding completely in a couple of days and now they see zero hairs falling out. As has already been stated it isn't possible for something to just stop any hairs falling in 2 days cos there would have already been hairs in the shedding period and it's normal to shed some hairs each day, even my 6 year old niece sheds some hairs each time she has a bath or has her hair brushed!

[Conpecia]

i agree on the shedding stuff. bollocks. honestly, i'm saving up for a 2015 ht either way, so even if this little experiment fails i'm not too stressed about it. i'm confident we'll have full donor regeneration in the next couple years, plus scarless fue with better gains and yields, and hopefully a topical alternative to fin without much sides. just trying to stop the loss without losing my johnson. if it doesn't work so be it, there are ways.

[walrus]

Agreed that it is best to be patient. But note that the original Garza et al. paper this is based on found that application of PGD2 negatively affected human hair length/growth in culture after just 7 days.