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    Quote Originally Posted by hellouser View Post
    She's a woman, forgive her. She seems ignorant of the importance of a fully functioning penis to any man. Tell her a potential anti-hair loss drug could jeopardize the use of her snatch and she might change her opinion of RU.
    Lol. It is just about providing people with useful advice. Telling them 'go see a specialist' and 'rogaine, propecia, nizoral' are all approved FDA blah blah. Docters do not know SHIT about hairloss and the medications they are prescribing. Some people who don't have as aggressive hairloss may be lucky and it works for them. I got no warning of sides, no request for blood tests, i had to ask for hormone test and the bozo said no. Bottom line, do research, encourage research, provide actual studies and journals etc,

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    Quote Originally Posted by rdawg View Post
    Agreed, this is apparently only phase one(of the actual solution, phase two of the device?) of the stuff and this is the results they're getting already. Means increased dosage could bring more and more growth.

    There are alot of positive pathways this could go down and with a 80%+ response rate I dont see many negative things.

    it's a small but significant start, absolutely zero reason to start crying.
    We've covered this before. HSC is in Phase II. The medium is part of the test but you are reading the website wrong if you interpret it as HSC is Phase I and the medium is Phase II. It is actually saying that the combination of HSC plus delivery medium is in Phase I/II.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pate View Post
    We've covered this before. HSC is in Phase II. The medium is part of the test but you are reading the website wrong if you interpret it as HSC is Phase I and the medium is Phase II. It is actually saying that the combination of HSC plus delivery medium is in Phase I/II.
    Hey Pate,

    As much as I would love for it to be true, unfortunately it's not

    Here's a link to their current study:

    http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT01501617

    it clearly states:

    Biological: Hair Stimulating Complex (HSC) --> Phase I
    Device: Dulbecco's Modified Eagle Medium, DMEM --> Phase II

    This kind of explains why they only injected 8 shots rather than 200-300. It was merely a safety study!
    Can't wait to see some kick ass results in Phase II though

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desmond84 View Post
    Hey Pate,

    As much as I would love for it to be true, unfortunately it's not

    Here's a link to their current study:

    http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT01501617

    it clearly states:

    Biological: Hair Stimulating Complex (HSC) --> Phase I
    Device: Dulbecco's Modified Eagle Medium, DMEM --> Phase II

    This kind of explains why they only injected 8 shots rather than 200-300. It was merely a safety study!
    Can't wait to see some kick ass results in Phase II though
    So the results shown so far have only been with 8 shots?!?!

    Doesn't that mean we should expect to see a much, much, higher increase with around 20-30X the dose?!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by amibald View Post
    So the results shown so far have only been with 8 shots?!?!

    Doesn't that mean we should expect to see a much, much, higher increase with around 20-30X the dose?!?
    Potentially and hopefully yes. Its interesting to note that the dosage area was also very small.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hellouser View Post
    Potentially and hopefully yes. Its interesting to note that the dosage area was also very small.
    When are the results of the increased dosage out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by amibald View Post
    When are the results of the increased dosage out?
    Phase II (Dose-range finding) study will be a 6 month study from Feb 2013 till July 2013. So, we should have some SERIOUS results by July 13 hopefully.

    To be honest, although we have to wait, we have something to look forward to so don't worry brother...life's good and its only gonna get even better! Use something to keep what you have in the meantime and live your life as best as you can

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desmond84 View Post
    Phase II (Dose-range finding) study will be a 6 month study from Feb 2013 till July 2013. So, we should have some SERIOUS results by July 13 hopefully.

    To be honest, although we have to wait, we have something to look forward to so don't worry brother...life's good and its only gonna get even better! Use something to keep what you have in the meantime and live your life as best as you can
    I'm annoyed (see amy thread) because I seem to be losing hair at 18, by the time the treatment comes out i'll be bald and I can't afford treatments!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by amibald View Post
    I'm annoyed (see amy thread) because I seem to be losing hair at 18, by the time the treatment comes out i'll be bald and I can't afford treatments!!
    Amibald,

    I'm a pharmacist and to be honest with you, I'm not so sure if taking Propecia at your age is really a good idea. You're body is still developing and your hormones are still a roller coaster!

    We will know by Feb 2013 if Aderans will have a viable treatment or not...hang in till then. Enjoy your xmas holidays and based on the results they release decide how you're gonna tackle your hairloss.

    Let me know, if you have any questions brother...I'm always here to help

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desmond84 View Post
    Hey Pate,

    As much as I would love for it to be true, unfortunately it's not

    Here's a link to their current study:

    http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT01501617

    it clearly states:

    Biological: Hair Stimulating Complex (HSC) --> Phase I
    Device: Dulbecco's Modified Eagle Medium, DMEM --> Phase II

    This kind of explains why they only injected 8 shots rather than 200-300. It was merely a safety study!
    Can't wait to see some kick ass results in Phase II though
    No, it doesn't clearly state that. As I've said repeatedly, you guys are reading the site wrong.

    That DMEM stuff is just the delivery medium. It is not in Phase II, Phase II is efficacy testing and you don't test a vehicle for efficacy.

    The info in that table is to be read in columns, NOT ROWS. It is saying the following: the treatment of HSC is undergoing both Phase I safety and Phase II efficacy trials.

    It is NOT saying that HSC is in Phase I only and DMEM is in Phase II only.

    If you want final proof of this, check the primary outcome measures. One is safety, the other is terminal hair count. So efficacy is a primary outcome measure! That means it is in Phase II.

    If you want even more proof, have a look at other Phase I/II trials on that site. Here's one example of several I found, search for trial NCT01121731. The primary outcomes clearly show all three drugs in that trial are in both Phase I and II.

    The bad news is this doesn't mean they go straight to Phase III next. They will probably need more Phase IIs. But the good news is that HSC is definitely in Phase II trials.

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