Histogen show "cosmetic" results oct 2012 update

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  • hairysituation
    Senior Member
    • Feb 2012
    • 206

    Originally posted by hellouser
    Not entirely true.

    It depends for everyone, some men will only lose a portion of their hairline while others will go completely bald. Hair loss isnt the same for everyone. I've developed my grandfather's hairline which is a pretty obvious 'M' pattern, it came in *rapidly* about 6 years ago and has been more or less the same since. Will it progress to a full NW7? I hope not. If its basically slowed down to a stopping point, will I qualify for a touch up now?

    And it definitely is possible to go back to a teenage hairline:



    Someone else posted that, but that is an incredible result. I'm considering getting Gho + Rahal done... not sure which to get first.....
    That someone else was me. I really have researched transplants and have a good idea of what´s realistic, and what´s not. Dr. Keser also seem to do incredible teenage hairlines. He has exceptional yield, plus he only does FUE exclusively.

    Anyway, I think the best results was from Alvi Armani when he still was performing FUSS. I mean check this one out. Pretty sick. It should be noted that the density behind his hairline increased after using Minoxidil and Finasteride. However, the hairline speaks for itself.

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    • hellouser
      Senior Member
      • May 2012
      • 4419

      Originally posted by hairysituation
      That someone else was me. I really have researched transplants and have a good idea of what´s realistic, and what´s not. Dr. Keser also seem to do incredible teenage hairlines. He has exceptional yield, plus he only does FUE exclusively.

      Anyway, I think the best results was from Alvi Armani when he still was performing FUSS. I mean check this one out. Pretty sick. It should be noted that the density behind his hairline increased after using Minoxidil and Finasteride. However, the hairline speaks for itself.
      That hairline is a little *too* perfect. Although I'd rather have that than what I got now, but I think the one you posted before is much better.

      Its incredible what some HT doctors can do.....

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      • yeahyeahyeah
        Senior Member
        • Nov 2011
        • 1776

        Originally posted by Dan26
        Ya bro i was saying that WITHOUT a HT it is unlikely to go back to your teenage hairline. Something like histogen can only take you so far, a HT for the frontal area/headline if you want that teenage hairline back lol.

        And btw I hate how HT places take before photos with different lighting, background, facial expression of patient lol, it annoys the shit outta me
        That guy looked so happy with his new teenage hairline, than again, I would be too!

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        • yeahyeahyeah
          Senior Member
          • Nov 2011
          • 1776

          Originally posted by hellouser
          That hairline is a little *too* perfect. Although I'd rather have that than what I got now, but I think the one you posted before is much better.

          Its incredible what some HT doctors can do.....
          I wonder why more HTs are not like that, that result seems like the exception, not the norm.

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          • 2020
            Senior Member
            • Jan 2012
            • 1513

            If you notice every other pharmaceutical treatment for hair loss (whether topical or per-oral) requires at least once daily dosing. For topicals it's usually twice a day.

            Histogen is a sub-epidermal injection which is ESSENTIALLY a topical.

            Why did they choose this rather weird method of application -- injecting chemicals into the skin -- rather than a topical lotion?
            is it really? If so then that would explain why they're doing injections first - they don't trust people with topicals

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            • hairysituation
              Senior Member
              • Feb 2012
              • 206

              Originally posted by yeahyeahyeah
              I wonder why more HTs are not like that, that result seems like the exception, not the norm.
              1. Because the yield is pretty inconsistant when you are exceeding 50 grafts pr square centimeter. This is at least the case with ONE treatment. I do believe that yield become more consistant regarding dense packing with multiplie treatments.

              But make no mistakes, the best clinics can get pretty consistant results even with dense packing in one treatment.

              2. Also, many clinics think it´s unethical to make a dense juvenile hairline. The old supply vs. demand issue.

              3. The fear of the hairline becoming "unatural" as the patient gets older. (I personally think this argument is a lot of bullcrap)

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              • yeahyeahyeah
                Senior Member
                • Nov 2011
                • 1776

                Originally posted by hairysituation
                1. Because the yield is pretty inconsistant when you are exceeding 50 grafts pr square centimeter. This is at least the case with ONE treatment. I do believe that yield become more consistant regarding dense packing with multiplie treatments.

                But make no mistakes, the best clinics can get pretty consistant results even with dense packing in one treatment.

                2. Also, many clinics think it´s unethical to make a dense juvenile hairline. The old supply vs. demand issue.

                3. The fear of the hairline becoming "unatural" as the patient gets older. (I personally think this argument is a lot of bullcrap)
                The game will change if Aderans and Histogen report good results in 2013.

                With Gho in the pipeline it is probably a good time to restore your NW1, the only thing stopping HT doctors is donor supply or the balding process accelerating.

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                • hairysituation
                  Senior Member
                  • Feb 2012
                  • 206

                  Originally posted by yeahyeahyeah
                  The game will change if Aderans and Histogen report good results in 2013.

                  With Gho in the pipeline it is probably a good time to restore your NW1, the only thing stopping HT doctors is donor supply or the balding process accelerating.
                  Wishful thinking, my friend. Histogen could work with maintaning, but they are years away. Aderans won´t work, reallstically. I will not start a Gho debate here, but let´s just say I don´t believe it for a second.

                  However, OC seems promising, some users on ************ have reported good effects. But the safety profile is not yet established (topically), and there are very few people who have tried it.

                  I say the best approach today is a transplanted juvenile hairline with a hairpiece behind. I will use this approach, and get away from these forums. Of course it´s given that my transplant is sucessful, which is not certain at all.

                  It´s not a perfect solution, but beggars can´t be choosers.

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                  • yeahyeahyeah
                    Senior Member
                    • Nov 2011
                    • 1776

                    Originally posted by hairysituation
                    Wishful thinking, my friend. Histogen could work with maintaning, but they are years away. Aderans won´t work, reallstically. I will not start a Gho debate here, but let´s just say I don´t believe it for a second.

                    However, OC seems promising, some users on ************ have reported good effects. But the safety profile is not yet established (topically), and there are very few people who have tried it.

                    I say the best approach today is a transplanted juvenile hairline with a hairpiece behind. I will use this approach, and get away from these forums. Of course it´s given that my transplant is sucessful, which is not certain at all.

                    It´s not a perfect solution, but beggars can´t be choosers.
                    Depends on your rate of hairloss.

                    They guy with the HT earlier for example, my hair is noway as bad as his, and I am 27 now.


                    Say you are a NW2, and you receed slowly (yes it happens), with nothing becoming noticable past 30+, you can easily restore you hair and use histogen, which I think will be out in 2015.

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                    • 534623
                      Senior Member
                      • Oct 2011
                      • 1854

                      Originally posted by hairysituation

                      I will not start a Gho debate here, but let´s just say I don´t believe it for a second.

                      [blah blah blah ...]

                      It´s not a perfect solution, but beggars can´t be choosers.
                      I understand ...

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                      • Dan26
                        Senior Member
                        • Jul 2012
                        • 1270

                        Originally posted by ammin
                        Ok I am convinced now
                        VEGF, KGF and Follistatin. Explain to me how that is going to grow back a full head of hair!!!

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                        • 534623
                          Senior Member
                          • Oct 2011
                          • 1854

                          Originally posted by Tracy C

                          Histogen's treatment will grow back cosmetically significant hair.
                          Replicel's treatment will immunize the regrown cosmetically significant hair from the damaging effects of DHT. These two treatments used together will be a true cure for hereditary hair loss.
                          So, you're talking about stem cell cures/treatments for (complex) organs like hair follicles - right?
                          Histogen is talking about embryonic stem cells and Replicel tries to cure hair loss with dermal sheath cup cells (DSCC) - right?

                          Nope – this is not what British geneticist and stem cell researcher Sir Martin J. Evans predicted in an interview recently.

                          Or do you think that, instead of Sir Evans, the people behind Histogen and Replicel should get

                          1) The Nobel Prize

                          2) and the Queen should confer a knighthood on them??

                          In other words, you trust them more than in so-called "Superstars of Science" ??

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                          • Breaking Bald
                            Senior Member
                            • Aug 2012
                            • 598

                            This thread is getting too big for its boots...people arguing about something that we hardly know about...it's pointless. We don't know how effective HSC will be yet, it MAY grow a full head of hair, it MAY not. What IS good is that we have companies working towards solutions, we need to hear from Histogen directly to find out what is going on.

                            I wish someone from Histogen could just give us some answers in plain English with no bullshit!

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                            • yeahyeahyeah
                              Senior Member
                              • Nov 2011
                              • 1776

                              Originally posted by 534623
                              So, you're talking about stem cell cures/treatments for (complex) organs like hair follicles - right?
                              Histogen is talking about embryonic stem cells and Replicel tries to cure hair loss with dermal sheath cup cells (DSCC) - right?

                              Nope – this is not what British geneticist and stem cell researcher Sir Martin J. Evans predicted in an interview recently.

                              Or do you think that, instead of Sir Evans, the people behind Histogen and Replicel should get

                              1) The Nobel Prize

                              2) and the Queen should confer a knighthood on them??

                              In other words, you trust them more than in so-called "Superstars of Science" ??
                              Scientists have known to be wrong.

                              Albert Einstein when it came to Chaos theory is one such example. He said it could not work.

                              You are a negative douche.

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                              • 534623
                                Senior Member
                                • Oct 2011
                                • 1854

                                Originally posted by yeahyeahyeah

                                Albert Einstein when it came to Chaos theory is one such example. He said it could not work.
                                "God does not play dice." Chaos theory has not only shown Einstein to be correct on this point, but even in its infancy, it is a brilliant confirmation of the fundamental world view put forward by Marx and Engels over a hundred years ago.
                                So, who plays the dice?
                                I think guys like Sir Evans play the dice ...

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