Spexhair SMP into scar with Beauty Medical in Milan 19th July 2012

[topcat]

Hey Delphi in your world no one should post anything of concern as it makes you uncomfortable. Sure let’s not bring any balance to the forums. You sound like a really good guy.

Every repair patient has something in common. They didn’t ask enough questions, they didn’t know which questions to ask, or they were afraid to ask questions because they didn’t want to offend anyone.

[Delphi]

I will tell you why because all you have to do is look at how all these desperate guys are reacting without even thinking that their situation could be made worse or their actions could result in issues that are of much more concern than balding. Maybe you should read the history of this industry and how all the players operate. Desperate bald guys are easy pickings. So go ahead Delphi get your head tattooed. Let me know when you are scheduled and when you will be posting your photos.

No one should jump into anything until it has a proven track record. Do you have some kind of problem with that advice? Maybe it’s you that’s the dick did you ever think about that?

Who said I was going to run out and get my head Tattooed? Have you even taken the time to read any of my posts about head tattoo's? You're not the only one who understands the history of this industry. Who are the players you are referring to? Spex and Joe from Hasson and Wong? I respect both of those guys and so do a lot of people. Are you implying that they are somehow crooked? How exactly do they "operate"?

They work hard to get us this information and post it on forums while you sit on your ass doing nothing but accusing them of "operating" in some unsavory fashion.

Don't worry, I won't be running out to tattoo my head anytime soon, but I do find this very interesting and I am glad there are people like Spex and Jotronic who care enough about us to try to help us unlike you who's sole purpose seems to win your arguments at the expense of others.

[topcat]

I will tell you why because all you have to do is look at how all these desperate guys are reacting without even thinking that their situation could be made worse or their actions could result in issues that are of much more concern than balding. Maybe you should read the history of this industry and how all the players operate. Desperate bald guys are easy pickings. So go ahead Delphi get your head tattooed. Let me know when you are scheduled and when you will be posting your photos.

No one should jump into anything until it has a proven track record. Do you have some kind of problem with that advice? Maybe it’s you that’s the dick did you ever think about that?

[Delphi]

It’s not iron poisoning that’s the problem. Excess iron in the systems leads to cancer and since this is not a permanent tattoo it could very well be even more problematic.

But hey if someone wants to tattoo their head more power to you.

It will be interesting to watch.

Why are you so hostile all the time TopCat? Man you have such a chip on your shoulder. I was probably the biggest sceptic of SMP, but this seems like it might be worth looking into. The work looks really good and you're making assumptions about possible health hazards based on unfounded speculation. What gives you the right to be such a dick all the time?

[topcat]

The part about the iron oxides being removed through urine doesn't make much sense to me as iron builds up in the blood, organs and tissues. Maybe that part can be better explained

[topcat]

It’s not iron poisoning that’s the problem. Excess iron in the systems leads to cancer and since this is not a permanent tattoo it could very well be even more problematic.

But hey if someone wants to tattoo their head more power to you.

It will be interesting to watch.

[Kiwi]

Your scar is very small - you are lucky! Its all relative however!

I think your plan to BHT or FUE into it initially is wise to try break it down and then as i explained given that realistic time scale of 18 months minimum even off the first session and as i recommended make sure its a test session too especially with BHT. Keep your expectations in check and be aware yield can be lower transplanting into scars.

I would not waste more hairs via FUE by putting them into a scar! If you're determined to transplant hair into a scar use your body hair. I agree with spex about testing with BHT too.... if it doesnt work you've wasted nothing but THOUSANDS of dollars. As opposed to precious FUE donor hair.

I've got a stupid scar too.

I wish I just shaved my head.

But I didn't. The only logical non wasteful and affordable option for people like us (especially if you get propecia sides) is tattoo / maybe fraxel scar repair first... and then wait out till aderans or histogen hit the market.

The last 2 years have flown by in all respects apart from my hair loss.

You can do it!!!

[Kiwi]

Spex thank you for the reply. I don’t plan on having my head tattooed but my interest is in the process and any downsides. I could probably post quite a few questions here but I don’t necessarily expect you to answer them. How long has Milena been performing the process? How many total patients? What is she basing her answer on that the iron and titanium oxides are removed through urination? Does this have any effect on the kidneys? Why has previous research shown tattoo pigment building up in the lymph nodes? Of course I could go on with many more questions but I will stop here.

I have not listened to the show recently as Tuesday is not the best day for me. I have phoned into the show in the past but maybe I will wait to see if something is posted about Spencer proceeding with a procedure.

Seriously people. Humans have been getting tattoos for hundreds of years - sure the weakest and most pathetic of humans might get some form of iron "poisoning. But surely thats life right now as we know it. People were getting tattooed way before all the research on that type of thing and they were not just dropping dead.

[topcat]

Spex thank you for the reply. I don’t plan on having my head tattooed but my interest is in the process and any downsides. I could probably post quite a few questions here but I don’t necessarily expect you to answer them. How long has Milena been performing the process? How many total patients? What is she basing her answer on that the iron and titanium oxides are removed through urination? Does this have any effect on the kidneys? Why has previous research shown tattoo pigment building up in the lymph nodes? Of course I could go on with many more questions but I will stop here.

I have not listened to the show recently as Tuesday is not the best day for me. I have phoned into the show in the past but maybe I will wait to see if something is posted about Spencer proceeding with a procedure.

[sp8rky]

Google translate maybe getting it slightly wrong though.

[Spex]

Topcat,

I have no idea. Milena's direct reply to your previous question.

In English :

No.
Do not block the lymph nodes.
The pigments are non-toxic!
Are "eaten" by macrophages and eliminated by the urinary system like any slag / foreign body.


I have not spoken to Spencer since we did the live interview. He is interested to see how things progress based on the meetings with Dr Hasson/Jotronic/Dr Feller/Dr Lindsey as he values their opinions. I have no idea if this is something he wants to do himself - Have you considered calling the show and speaking to him ? Why dont you.

The meeting in september is nothing to do with SMP - its to do with interviews for a potential documentary on hair loss /Hair transplants.

[topcat]

Are you saying that the pigment does not accumulate in the lymph nodes?

What does Spencer Kobren think about all of this or is that what the meeting in September will be about? Will he be considering tattooing his own head?

[Spex]

Stevie, It was nice to speak to you also. Be patient with all your ventures based on the fact your scar is more of a phycological battle rather than a physical one. Your scar is very small - you are lucky! Its all relative however!

I think your plan to BHT or FUE into it initially is wise to try break it down and then as i explained given that realistic time scale of 18 months minimum even off the first session and as i recommended make sure its a test session too especially with BHT. Keep your expectations in check and be aware yield can be lower transplanting into scars.

You have a journey ahead of you with transplanting into the scar as your first mission then by that time which is realistically 2-3 years temporary SMP will have a lot more to show you in terms of results and patient opinions. Try not rush anything though brutha. And keep expectations in check! I know you were stung and didnt due your due diligence initially with your first HT - so do it now!

Topcat, Hi and hope you are well. Here is the reply i just recieved from Milena for you - she is in transit to NYC as will also be in a couple of hours. I hope this helps.

No.
Non ostruiscono i linfonodi.
I pigmenti non sono tossici!!
Vengono "mangiati" dai macrofagi ed eliminati col sistema urinario come qualsiasi scoria/ corpo estraneo.



I hope you guys all appreciate and understand but if not allow me to try explain that there is a great deal of difficulty with the communication barrier that exists here as Milena doesnt speak a word of English, only Italian. This isnt helping matters, so please be patient and understand that given time we will all know a lot more as we are looking into ways to resolve the communication barrier.

Best
Spex

[topcat]

Spex it is my understanding that the titanium and iron oxides do not just disappear but have to go somewhere. Most likely building up in the lymph nodes do you believe this to be true or false? Should caution be advised?

[Stevie R]

It was nice talking to ya today Spex, I hope this SMP thing is safe and gets dudes squared away with their scar problems. However, I guess I will have to just have to ride in the back seat for a bit and see how things progress cause I still am not 100% convinced...time will tell though that'f for sure.