Spironolactone 100mg a day? Check this guy/girl results!

[JDuff]

50% of women aged between 20 and 24 in the USA have Herpes or HPV

That's really meaningless.

I think something like 98% of humans, regardless of nationality carry some form of both. That doesn't mean you "have Herpes". It means you have normal (not necessarily sexual) contact with the rest of the population.

[JDuff]

That's talking specifically about the form that causes genital warts or whatever.

http://www.herpesclinic.com/genitalherpes/genitalherpesstatistics.htm

The statistics are somewhat confusing/contradictory:

About 50 percent to 80 percent of the adult population in the United States has oral herpes.

...

It has been estimated that about 20% of the population have genital herpes and 90% have oral herpes (cold sores).

So, the high numbers (50-90%) seem to be related to oral herpes. 20% gential herpes.

[JDuff]

That guy has admitted he's gay and is ok with the feminization that he's undergone. Given the choice, a drug which could change my gender (or at least start the process) whilst restoring some hair or being bald like Captain Picard...Id go for Captain Picard!!!

He's also on the younger side. I wonder if the feminization would be as pronounced on someone 10+ years older.

That photo also looks like it was done in a studio and he was heavily made-up.

Regardless, the hair looks fantastic.

[25 going on 65]

This is how balding guys who wait until marriage end up...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xp-jZyzQSms

Wasted youth

[BigThinker]

Excellent straw man.

I am personally against tattoos because they are unoriginal and make you look like a scumbag criminal, not because it's "self-mutilation" per se (although that could be argued). In either case, I'm not against tattoos at the individual level. People can do what they want with their bodies as long as it doesn't impact others around them. Tattoos, piercings, plastic surgery, go for it. But what you're arguing is a false equivalency fallacy. There's a big difference between even the most extreme forms of body modifcation and actually wanting to be the opposite sex.

There's no hypocrisy with this at all. Any form of body modification performed when the individual is acting out of a mental illness (big and small) is a grave moral problem. I'm not drawing any arbitrary line here. What I am however saying is that it's sick to pretend that someone who wants to "change their gender" is completely normal and encourage them. It's political correctness' twisted invasion of actual science. When people have similar problems they are treated and put on strong drugs and forced to undertake therapy. Even mild disorders like Aspergers are medicated. So why should this be any different? Because relative moral values told us all sexes and people are equal? Bullshit.

Besides, my argument had nothing to do with my personal faith. You brought that part up. It's like if I attacked all of your arguments on the basis of your atheism. It would be intellectually dishonest.

My position is easily in the minority, but that doesn't bother me. And this isn't at all due to a rejection of scientific advancement, but rather a rejection of propaganda. Most "politically correct" ideas aren't grounded in anything remotely scientific. Simply because they fall outside the realm of science, and pertain mostly to ideology.

So, what your insinuating is that individuals that under go gender transformation absolutely have mental illness... LOL K. Regardless, using your brilliant logic, no Dr. should prescribe you fin or 2% keto or acne medication because you are clearly mentally ill.

And, the only reason I brought up religion is because you attempt to use it validate perverse opinions incessantly. Even within the Catholic church, I would have to see you viewed as a "radical".

There's so much more I want to address with how wrong and contradicting you are but trying to follow your abstract logic trail fills my mind with f**k.

[BigThinker]

You can't even spell. Get out of my face you atheist prick.

Solid rebuttal.

[ChrisM]

Uh, let's just be clear here. Your friend was taking estrogen. Estrogen WITH spiro drastically reduces the amount of testosterone in the body, and has major feminizing effects (like real boobs). Spiro alone doesn't really feminize you, it prevents masculinisation. It just stops testosterone from interacting with its receptors, and because some of that unused testosterone may be converted to estrogen, there's a risk of slight effects from that extra estrogen, depending on the dose and the individual.

I think a lower dose of spiro has the potential to complement fin without too much danger. But yes, the likelihood of gyno is much higher for spiro than for fin.

That one statement alone just proved Tracy C 's point. Prevention of masculinisation flips the switch to the other end of the dial which is feminization it does not make you automatically gender neutral since most males have a small degree of estrogen hormones in them essentially the aberrant XX chromosone genetic pairing males are mutated version of females who possess the more genetically efficent pairing of the XY chromosone.

The guys on hairloss elp which is where this guy is from in the opening thread are taking spiro and finasteride and dutasteride combined and are chemically castrating themselves outright and then some of them are taking unproven, clinically unsanctioned drugs taking that way over the edge of a sane, reasoned approach.

[dex89]

No, I haven't. I plan on waiting until marriage because I'm not an atheist ****. All the sex you have whilst at University won't count for shit when you end up divorced - that's if you even get married.

When you kiss your future wife, just close your eyes and imagine all the other men's penises that have been in there. All the sex she has had before you. All the STD's she's carrying.

50% of women aged between 20 and 24 in the USA have Herpes or HPV.

You are missing out, sex is one of the best pleasures a man could have. Wait, how are you going to pleasure your wife if your going to castrated yourself?

HAHA that is the reason why you get them young. I got my plans schedule out already.

I'm not trying to offend you but you remind of Dwight Schrute from The Office(usa version)

This is how balding guys who wait until marriage end up...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xp-jZyzQSms

Wasted youth

This video made my day LOL thank you.

[Tracy C]

Spiro alone doesn't really feminize you...

Real doctors will tell a very different story.

http://www.bernsteinmedical.com/medical-treatment/medications/aldactone-spironolactone/

[Tracy C]

So, if someone changes their gender it's mutilation...

Don't worry so much about him. He was brainwashed by toxic faith hypocratic Bible thumping bigots as a child.

My friend is a she Highlander. End of story.

[doke]

some derma prescribe spiro for men for acne which finasteride and dutasteride made mine worse and also for me both did not regrow one hair even though i upped the dose with dutas,some are getting desporate to regrow hair they will consider spiro oral.
By the way it turns out which is a pun that the guy thats pictured from link here is gay but there are some straight men like me who have acne oily skin prob that would feel its good it a side effect was regrowing some hair back in a case where a elderly man had cirro of the liver and he was bald shiny bald for many years and it regrew his hair so the fact that shiny head equals no hairs left is a lie.
Also my derma says that if you stop spiro due to any side effects you will return back to normal,but some as with finas and dutas get no sides only better skin again.
As to safety i remember being told by a doctor many years ago before finas was proscar and prescribed for hair loss now it would be dangorous and may damage liver and kidneys
Personally there are many drugs that many are taking for hairloss here and on other sites that may have long term sides but its only there choice and no i do not want to turn into a woman or ugly sister but if it works gets rid of my acne and helps with further hair receading loss i will be happy.
Is the oily acne prone skin a clue to male pattern loss yes it is and on the scalp and hair glands which have dht in and cause miniturisation if oral spiro can halt this then its worth it if i do not get side effects and to be fair the gay guy said it has not gave him any breasts and he has taken up to 200mgs a day.

[doke]

Since just posting this i am having serious second thoughts about using spiro oral its only a deporation thing that when i look in the mirror after taking many of the things supposed to regrow and stableize hair loss do nuot work for me i could try to make the spiro tabs into a topical lotion or use wait for my order of ru58841 i take onboard what you guys are saying and others on hair loss forums but its hard.

[doke]

very strange after two days on oral spiro hair loss when i wash it is zero but during my last days of finasteride i was getting terrible shedding and increased from 1mg to 5 to see if it will halt it but it did not.
Also scalp seems better ie:no itching and im not using minox either and oilyness on skin seems better i will keep you informed what happens.

[Aames]

very strange after two days on oral spiro hair loss when i wash it is zero but during my last days of finasteride i was getting terrible shedding and increased from 1mg to 5 to see if it will halt it but it did not.
Also scalp seems better ie:no itching and im not using minox either and oilyness on skin seems better i will keep you informed what happens.

Please do. If dut doesn't stabilize my hair loss on its own, spiro will probably be the next avenue that I head down. Even if it means giving up on my bodybuilding goals, I'd rather be a stick with a full head of hair.

[doke]

hi amams i have a 5% topical cream and have a lotion i have made myself so i may use just a topical although im thinking it will not stamp out my bad skin.