Hair loss gene to aggressive for big 3?

[Kirby_]

I hate buzzing my hair, only did it because of the early shedding, it makes my poor hairline much more visible. My aim was to grow my hair back to where it was last October but I won't now have the density to be able to do that.

I just want to get to the bottom of what might be a possible secondary factor in my hair loss, which could explain the rapid loss since Jsnuary.

[notgoingout]

I'd like to do that but I probably have no means of affording private treatment, let alone the high cost of travelling all the way to London! I'm at an absolute loss, no chance of getting a referral via the NHS(distance from London, will just get told, you're going bald, shave your head you're thirty), I want this to be something other than MPB but I'm 99% sure it's just very aggressive MPB causing my sudden heavy balding. Is there any way I can get "clearance" over other issues without private treatment in distant London? I wish I would die in my sleep every single night, I can't stand looking at myself in yhe mirror heavily balding because of these shitty worthless tablets

Believe me, I know exactly how you feel. All I would say is that you have already spent enormous amounts of time and energy, probably not to mention money, trying to deal with this.

First port of call should be your GP. Let him/her know just how badly this is affecting your life and how important this is to you. Lots of people do get NHS referrals so it is definitely worth a try. If you do get an NHS referral, the fare to London will be small change in the scheme of things.

If push comes to shove, I'd say find the money to see him privately. It's worth giving his practice a call to find out what it would cost at least. He will help you get to the bottom of this, whether it's MPB or something else. He'll also point you in the direction of psychological help if he thinks it would be useful but he's not the sort to tell you it's 'all in your head' either.

Also, in my experience he's not the sort of doctor you would see more than once in a blue moon. If he prescribes treatments you would probably get these locally from a pharmacy. You wont be relentlessly backwards and forwards to London paying private medical bills. I've seen him 3 times in 11 years!

As a minimum, it might be worth calling his practice to ask if they would recommend a doctor closer to your neck of the woods.

I know the whole process of trying to deal with this can be exhausting to the point where you can't see the wood for the trees. That's why I think getting advice from a consultant dermatologist who actually specialises in hairloss (and there aren't many of those to the pound) is invaluable, rather than relying on practicioners from within the 'hairlosss industry'.

[Kirby_]

Is there any way I can definitely find out whether it is (as I strongly suspect) extremely aggressive MPB before going further along the road of getting private treatment?*

At the moment I can't really talk to a GP about this, I'll just be told "you're going bald, tough" again, which I can't really handle yet again. I don't want to again be fobbed off with psychological stuff, if I explain the stress levels element (just AMAZINGLY permanently stressed out by this, seeing how thin my hair has gotten since January/February, there's literally not been a moment since December that I've actually felt happy). Fixing the hair loss, or at least slowing it down a lot, is what would lift how I feel. Practical stuff, positive outcomes.

Any ideas what Dr Fenton could potentially prescribe for me? Do you mean stuff like fin, minox, or other stuff? (I agree with the notion he may well be able to be a much more useful person to see than a hairloss surgeon, as I can't imagine that a HT would do anything for me with my level of loss and diffuse pattern loss.)

* I want it so badly to be a non-MPB reason for hairloss, but the pattern of the loss is a NW6 type pattern, for the most part, so I'm stressed half to death knowing that's what is exactly going on, just I didn't realise fast enough.

Sorry that might be an incoherent blur, 3:20AM here, another night unable to sleep due to the anguish caused by balding.

[notgoingout]

Is there any way I can definitely find out whether it is (as I strongly suspect) extremely aggressive MPB before going further along the road of getting private treatment?*

At the moment I can't really talk to a GP about this, I'll just be told "you're going bald, tough" again, which I can't really handle yet again. I don't want to again be fobbed off with psychological stuff, if I explain the stress levels element (just AMAZINGLY permanently stressed out by this, seeing how thin my hair has gotten since January/February, there's literally not been a moment since December that I've actually felt happy). Fixing the hair loss, or at least slowing it down a lot, is what would lift how I feel. Practical stuff, positive outcomes.

Any ideas what Dr Fenton could potentially prescribe for me? Do you mean stuff like fin, minox, or other stuff? (I agree with the notion he may well be able to be a much more useful person to see than a hairloss surgeon, as I can't imagine that a HT would do anything for me with my level of loss and diffuse pattern loss.)

* I want it so badly to be a non-MPB reason for hairloss, but the pattern of the loss is a NW6 type pattern, for the most part, so I'm stressed half to death knowing that's what is exactly going on, just I didn't realise fast enough.

Sorry that might be an incoherent blur, 3:20AM here, another night unable to sleep due to the anguish caused by balding.

Yep, it seems GPs all too often adopt a bizarre, hard-headed approach when a man presents with MPB, but if you want to pursue this option you will need to tough it out with him. Even for a private consultation, consultants often insist on a GP referral. However, your GP might be more likely to refer you for a consultation if he knows you are being seen privately and it wont eat into his precious budget. Yes, it sucks but it is probably true.

The reason why I think you would beneift from seeing Dr Fenton is that he will help you ascertain whether you have a problem at all and, if there is a problem, he will help you pin down precisely what it is. Yes, he may prescribe treatments like finasteride and minoxidil but he has treated patients with various types of alopecia with other drugs that may or may not be appropriate for you. Most doctors would probably feel uncomfortable prescribing anything other than 1mg finasteride daily but this guy really knows his stuff and, where he feels it appropriate, he may be willing to look at alternatives or different dosages. I don't know if he would say this is appropriate for you and I would hate to misrepresent him; that's why I would urge you to make every effort to see him yourself.

Kirby, forgive me for saying so, but you're in really unhealthy territory at the moment. You seem to be blaming yourself for not acting fast enough to stop your hair loss but from the way you describe it, it has set in really quickly. Nothing you have done or haven't done has made it worse. You have taken positive steps like taking finasteride but for one reason or another it doesn't seem to be having the desired effect at the moment.

I know exactly how it goes: you convince yourself it's MPB, then you start to think it's something else, some kind of reaction to something or a scalp condition of some description. Then you come on this forum and some people will tell you there's nothing or very little wrong whilst others tell you you'll be bald in a year. It all goes round and round in your head until you're mentally and physically exhausted and the anxiety eats away at you. It affects your work, your relationships, your whole life.

You need to get yourself on an even keel: don't sit on this forum all night for a start and get some sleep; make sure you're eating well, too. Neither of these will bring your hair back but they will enable you to think and act more positively, for example, when it comes to challenges like dealing with your GP. I can understand your desperation to do something that yields fairly quick, tangible results but the best way to start to act constructively is to give your mind and body the chance to rest and recover from the trauma you're going through.

Sorry if I sound like a dick head, but this is based on my own experience and I know 100% what you're going through, so I hope it makes sense.

[Kirby_]

How can I work out 100% whether it's no just aggressive balding before I spend lots of money on private treatment?? I'm SURE thTs what it is I'm nearly NW3 at front HEAVILY balding diffuse pattern it's heavy MPB no other explains ton it's so fast I was 29 last year and never noticed bakfi y before had good enough hair it's just GONe I'm ub shave head territory it's ****ed up I just want to die this sham drug made md hideous bald

[Kirby_]

Gp sneered just said I'm getting baldness just live with it won't give referr for specialist I'm ****ing dead looking this shit that **** bitch girlfriend of mine dues t believe I ga r hàir loss just talks shit about naturally thin hair in patches what a dense bitch I'm trapped balding hesvily but denied

[Tracy C]

... I just want to die this sham drug made md hideous bald

The medication is not a sham. You are freaking out. You need to find a way to deal with your emotions over this. Treating hair loss takes a long time. It is a painfully slow process. It is in your best interest to learn a more productive way to cope with it.

[UK_]

Gp sneered just said I'm getting baldness just live with it won't give referr for specialist I'm ****ing dead looking this shit that **** bitch girlfriend of mine dues t believe I ga r hàir loss just talks shit about naturally thin hair in patches what a dense bitch I'm trapped balding hesvily but denied

Yeah thats what happens - worst part is what you have lost you wont get back - happened to me.

Finasteride is ass. And I have a feeling Histogen wont help slick bald or anyone beyond NW 6. Bummer being as though it is still 5 years off.

[UK_]

The medication is not a sham. You are freaking out. You need to find a way to deal with your emotions over this. Treating hair loss takes a long time. It is a painfully slow process. It is in your best interest to learn a more productive way to cope with it.

[Kirby_]

Yeah thats what happens - worst part is what you have lost you wont get back - happened to me.

Finasteride is ass. And I have a feeling Histogen wont help slick bald or anyone beyond NW 6. Bummer being as though it is still 5 years off.

How can I find our for sure hyper androcity that must be it ice gone BALD on Propecia hairlineis almost gone wasn't that bad before Propecia I need to see somek e private doctor can't afford that I need mo eu

**** all women, snakes with tits, that's all they are , they can get another sperm donor I can't get a new scalp Histofen wm be a sham too, it's all a sham thus site is one big shill for bollocks

[UK_]

Yer... how ive felt all my life... summed up in your post dont waste your time/money with women - take it from an older bloke - they're not worth it.

The first 5 years of balding are probably the worst... they were for me- I wouldnt wish that on anyone... ive never understood why people just look at MPB as "meh" and alopecia cases as "OMFG let us help you!!!!".

[25 going on 65]

How can I find our for sure hyper androcity that must be it ice gone BALD on Propecia hairlineis almost gone wasn't that bad before Propecia I need to see somek e private doctor can't afford that I need mo eu

**** all women, snakes with tits, that's all they are , they can get another sperm donor I can't get a new scalp Histofen wm be a sham too, it's all a sham thus site is one big shill for bollocks

Wow man
A few things:
Hyperandrogenism is when your body produces excess amounts of androgens. There is no evidence fin causes this; if anything you could be said to be in a state of hypoandrogenism (if there is any such thing) due to the abnormally low amounts of DHT in your system.
There are two small studies, if I'm remembering right, that found with fin use, the number of androgen receptors in your tissue increases. Which potentially could have some of the same effects as hyperandrogenism. However this isn't known yet (I'm hoping more studies will be done), and if it's true, balding is not necessarily one of those effects (because fin wipes most of the 5-ar type II enzyme from your body before it can bind with T).
It IS possible you have very aggressive MPB. However there are also many other possibilities that can cause mass sheds, like hyperthyroidism (which can coincide with MPB unfortunately). Since your GP sounds kind of useless, you may want to schedule an appointment with a specialist (Farjo is the only reliable one in Britain that I'm aware of).
As you already know it may take you at least another 5 months to see improvement in your hair (assuming MPB is the only culprit), though for some men it would take longer. If you're especially freaked out and unable to wait, you can try preemptively switching to dutasteride (avodart). However many would recommend this only as a last ditch move since we don't have as much understanding of long term dut use for MPB, or of blocking the type I 5-ar enzyme long term (fin does little or nothing to block type I). It's possible that you will regrow your lost hair on fin alone which would make the switch to dut unnecessary. Either way if you move onto dut, you potentially could experience another med shed.
Another option would be growth stimulation (minox). There is a risk of med shed with that also.

[Kirby_]

Not ure can afford faro all it will will just starve do I can pay some ont to tell me I'm going bald fast

Treid kill myself early ruined jeans a d shirt with blood want strength to do it propel

[25 going on 65]

Not ure can afford faro all it will will just starve do I can pay some ont to tell me I'm going bald fast

Treid kill myself early ruined jeans a d shirt with blood want strength to do it propel

Are you serious?!
We've been telling you for weeks it is too early in treatment to know if fin is working for you, let alone how much hair you can regrow. Would you go on a 3-week antibiotic cycle and kill yourself after 9 days because it hadn't worked yet?
If you're trying to hurt yourself you need to go to the emergency room right now. Especially if you are drunk or on drugs.

[Kirby_]

I don't do drugs or alcohol

Self harmed when I was teenager it's coming back all the old problems worse now I am going bald

I get told by UK and Maradona and others propecia doesn't work for me, others say I've got hyperandrogenicity (sp?) and propecia is making me far more bald and I see my ruined hair in mirrors, windows etc all thin and ragged and I just wish I wasn't alive to see it