Early balding, metabolic syndrome and diet

[2020]

lol maybe not your diet but in certain diets it can and does, witnessed by the low rates of mpb in certain cultures.

oh dude just stop.... mexico is one of the unhealthiest nations on the planet yet mexicans rarely go bald. Diet?
Difference races, different genes.

People were going bald way before all these American diseases came into the world. Take a look at your currency - most presidents were bald back then 200+ years ago. Diet won't make a difference.

[gutted]

you can never get enough of those vitamins in those kind of quantities from any diet.....


seriously? is it that time again? are we back to diet causes hair loss? This is boring, let's bring back masturbation causes hair loss topic.

lol maybe not your diet but in certain diets it can and does, witnessed by the low rates of mpb in certain cultures.

anyway, be careful of the borage oil though, there are reports EFA's can cause/increase hair loss.

[2020]

2020 if diet has no impact on health or baldness then why take the borage oil, toco pills that you are taking???

according to you, diet has nothing to do with baldness, what makes you think taking those pills, which can be found in diets, will have any impact on your hair???

loool

you can never get enough of those vitamins in those kind of quantities from any diet.....


seriously? is it that time again? are we back to diet causes hair loss? This is boring, let's bring back masturbation causes hair loss topic.

[gutted]

type 2 diabetes is not a life sentence. You can heal from it despite what your doctor tells you.



did immortalhair sent you here?

2020 if diet has no impact on health or baldness then why take the borage oil, toco pills that you are taking???

according to you, diet has nothing to do with baldness, what makes you think taking those pills, which can be found in diets, will have any impact on your hair???

loool

[Aston]

Interesting thread. Quick question: Aston, were you prescribed Arimidex, or self prescribed? If prescribed by a doctor, what for? Were you experiencing gynecomastia before as well?

I pressed her to either prescribe me periodical estrogen tests or a low arimidex dose and she gave up objecting fairly fast. I also mentioned how other finasteride users commonly used it, as well as body builders. If you really just want to stay on the safe side with things like gynecomastia you can lie and report pain in your breast, then keep the meds stored away. From what i understand, for gynecomastia it's important to treat it at an earlier stage, when you experience pain and/or swelling of the nipple.

Unfortunately there isn't really any evidence showing that general health and diet correlate with when MPB strikes in your lifetime. Generally healthy people with good dietary history start balding in their teens, 20's or 30's all the time. (And then generally unhealthy people with a lifetime of terrible eating habits live to age 60 or beyond with a Norwood 2... the bastards)
By 35 most of us are losing our hair to genetic alopecia. It's a dominant gene.

While your reasoning is agreeable, the subject isn't so easy to categorize. Gene expression and metabolic changes can be extremely complex and we still don't have a clear "pattern" to refer to. This is mostly because each human subject has both different genes and different habits. This matter can only be dismissed by first dismissing all possible deterministic approaches possible.
While a genetic cause is obviously part of the answer, the same is true for diabetes type 2, yet the latter is clearly caused by unhealthy habits.

type 2 diabetes is not a life sentence. You can heal from it despite what your doctor tells you.

Yes, that's what i'm basing my argument on. Albeit everyone thought diabetes 2 was impossible to cure with a dietary change and a lifelong condition for decades, recently this was actually proven to be at least partially false. I don't see why the same thing couldn't happen with MPB.

did immortalhair sent you here?

No, i just read wikipedia.

[2020]

Changing your diet to a healthier one won't heal diabetes type 2 or balding.

type 2 diabetes is not a life sentence. You can heal from it despite what your doctor tells you.

The theory for excess DHT as a disease is:
Hyper-caloric diet > chronic hyperglycemia > fatty liver syndrome/metabolic syndrome > chronic low SHBG (gene expression change) > excess DHT

did immortalhair sent you here?

[25 going on 65]

Unfortunately there isn't really any evidence showing that general health and diet correlate with when MPB strikes in your lifetime. Generally healthy people with good dietary history start balding in their teens, 20's or 30's all the time. (And then generally unhealthy people with a lifetime of terrible eating habits live to age 60 or beyond with a Norwood 2... the bastards)
By 35 most of us are losing our hair to genetic alopecia. It's a dominant gene.

Edit...

Injecting steroids it's a life choice that alters your hormones and it does change much your hair loss status. Look at all the body builders !

Unless they all decided to get buffed once they started losing their hair

Haha, this is true. Changing your hormones directly with drugs can affect your rate of loss (that's why fin works). Just not whether your follicles are sensitive to DHT.

[WashedOut]

-Acne (now gone);
-Extremely oily scalp regardless of washing cycles (now gone);
-Extremely deep and efficient sleep, inability to skip sleep for a day without paralyzing side effects (now gone, i'm sleeping 8-9 hours instead of 5-6 and can skip a night and remain focused);
-Body hair in unusual places, unlike any member of my family (too soon to say if gone or not).
-No effect on libido for now (is there such a thing as "excessive libido" ?)

I am taking finasteride at about 0.3mg every other day and very low doses of arimidex (0.25mg, a quarter of a tablet, twice a week) to control estrogens.

Low T is typical in balding men. It's "normal" for aging men, but clearly abnormal in young ones. Some say the lack of SHBG causes hyperactivity of 5a reductase, but i'm somewhat skeptical.
Low SHBG can only cause high bio-availability of DHT, but not a decrease in T levels. What i think happens is that low SHBG causes both high bio-availability of DHT AND estrogens, and an excess of estrogens is known to dampen libido in men.
This is still doesn't explain why balding men have low T in their tests, which seems to point invariably to 5a reductase hyperactivity.

Wow this sounds so familiar to my own situation. Low T at a young age, oily skin/scalp, body hair. I will say that physically I'm not as strong or fast as guys my age and my libido while not terrible is not very impressive. I hope I can resolve it by regulating my hormone levels as well.

[Davey Jones]

Interesting thread. Quick question: Aston, were you prescribed Arimidex, or self prescribed? If prescribed by a doctor, what for? Were you experiencing gynecomastia before as well?

[yeahyeahyeah]

Davey; I'm entirely curious, how do you make proper gains when lifting but eat nearly no meat?

i lost my most hair when I wasn't lifting.

Don't think lifting is the problem, nor do I think meat is because I know meat eaters with a full head of hair.

That and Sting is a vegan and is still balded.

[Aston]

wait you have these symptoms from high DHT?

I think I have extremely high DHT since last year. I have acne, oily scalp, body hair growing thick and long, incredible libido and Super agressive hair loss.

Problem is my family has pretty good mild baldness somehow I have developed super HIGH DHT since last year, what do you think has caused this rise in DHT?

Was it pre-programmed to rise tremendously this time of my life? or did I do something?

what's your opinion.

Thanks.

Well, that's what i'm trying to understand. It could be evolutionary: higher libido and higher muscle mass gain would probably trump any drawback from losing hair or having acne and an oily scalp in a primitive settings. At the same time it doesn't seem to me the human body operates in such roundabout ways. Hormonal imbalances resulting in visible symptoms are usually the sign of a disease or negative change in the body.

My opinion is this: it is both. This is an imbalance caused by a typical hyper-caloric, high-fat modern diet, however it is also a perfectly natural way for the body to react to such diet. Exactly like diabetes type 2. There is no doubt that diabetes type 2 is a disease, however certain people are more vulnerable to it genetically than others. It is also a perfectly natural way for the body to react to chronic excess insulin.

Changing your diet to a healthier one won't heal diabetes type 2 or balding. However recently a popular study has cured people of diabetes type 2 simply by putting subjects on an extremely harsh low calories diet. The reasoning is that the pancreas of the subjects was coated in a lipidic "film" from excess visceral fat, which a simple diet wasn't enough to eliminate, mechanically impeding the release of insulin! (Take from it what you will, diabetes type 2 has different mechanisms than that, as far as i know)

The theory for excess DHT as a disease is:
Hyper-caloric diet > chronic hyperglycemia > fatty liver syndrome/metabolic syndrome > chronic low SHBG (gene expression change) > excess DHT

Here's a study linking T levels, fatty liver syndrome and metabolic syndrome http://www.endo-society.org/media/EN...mentformen.cfm

The most common counter-argument to this idea is the fact that many MPB sufferers are relatively fit and eat a "healthy" diet. However it doesn't mean they always have, or that a "bad diet" is one that makes you fat. Simply a lack of certain elements or wrong proportions could in theory be enough.

[Maradona]

-Acne (now gone);
-Extremely oily scalp regardless of washing cycles (now gone);
-Extremely deep and efficient sleep, inability to skip sleep for a day without paralyzing side effects (now gone, i'm sleeping 8-9 hours instead of 5-6 and can skip a night and remain focused);
-Body hair in unusual places, unlike any member of my family (too soon to say if gone or not).
-No effect on libido for now (is there such a thing as "excessive libido" ?)

I am taking finasteride at about 0.3mg every other day and very low doses of arimidex (0.25mg, a quarter of a tablet, twice a week) to control estrogens.

Low T is typical in balding men. It's "normal" for aging men, but clearly abnormal in young ones. Some say the lack of SHBG causes hyperactivity of 5a reductase, but i'm somewhat skeptical.
Low SHBG can only cause high bio-availability of DHT, but not a decrease in T levels. What i think happens is that low SHBG causes both high bio-availability of DHT AND estrogens, and an excess of estrogens is known to dampen libido in men.
This is still doesn't explain why balding men have low T in their tests, which seems to point invariably to 5a reductase hyperactivity.

wait you have these symptoms from high DHT?

I think I have extremely high DHT since last year. I have acne, oily scalp, body hair growing thick and long, incredible libido and Super agressive hair loss.

Problem is my family has pretty good mild baldness somehow I have developed super HIGH DHT since last year, what do you think has caused this rise in DHT?

Was it pre-programmed to rise tremendously this time of my life? or did I do something?

what's your opinion.

Thanks.

[Aston]

I'm beginning to believe I'm in a similar situation. I have all the signs of high DHT but I have very low t. What other small issues did you have?

-Acne (now gone);
-Extremely oily scalp regardless of washing cycles (now gone);
-Extremely deep and efficient sleep, inability to skip sleep for a day without paralyzing side effects (now gone, i'm sleeping 8-9 hours instead of 5-6 and can skip a night and remain focused);
-Body hair in unusual places, unlike any member of my family (too soon to say if gone or not).
-No effect on libido for now (is there such a thing as "excessive libido" ?)

I am taking finasteride at about 0.3mg every other day and very low doses of arimidex (0.25mg, a quarter of a tablet, twice a week) to control estrogens.

Low T is typical in balding men. It's "normal" for aging men, but clearly abnormal in young ones. Some say the lack of SHBG causes hyperactivity of 5a reductase, but i'm somewhat skeptical.
Low SHBG can only cause high bio-availability of DHT, but not a decrease in T levels. What i think happens is that low SHBG causes both high bio-availability of DHT AND estrogens, and an excess of estrogens is known to dampen libido in men.
This is still doesn't explain why balding men have low T in their tests, which seems to point invariably to 5a reductase hyperactivity.

[WashedOut]

The point is that you should lose your hair in advanced age. That seems to be trend for "healthy" individuals. People who lose their hair in their twenties or teens always seem to have certain hormonal imbalances, mostly lack of SHBG and/or 5a reductase hyperactivity. Research is only now tentatively linking metabolic syndrome to many common diseases. In my case, taking finasteride has solved a number of small issues and made me a more "healthy" individual in the eyes of others. Even if the effect of the drug doesn't solve the underlying cause, it seems to me that such cause can hardly be natural.

I'm beginning to believe I'm in a similar situation. I have all the signs of high DHT but I have very low t. What other small issues did you have?

[Aston]

The point is that you should lose your hair in advanced age. That seems to be trend for "healthy" individuals. People who lose their hair in their twenties or teens always seem to have certain hormonal imbalances, mostly lack of SHBG and/or 5a reductase hyperactivity. Research is only now tentatively linking metabolic syndrome to many common diseases. In my case, taking finasteride has solved a number of small issues and made me a more "healthy" individual in the eyes of others. Even if the effect of the drug doesn't solve the underlying cause, it seems to me that such cause can hardly be natural.