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  • Aston
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    I remember reading it takes around two months for novel breast tissue to "compact" and become permanent. However, very often the symptoms are mild and doctors are surprisingly ignorant in the matter, being reluctant to prescribe both estrogen tests and medication until it's too late.

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  • WashedOut
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    Originally posted by clandestine
    Serious? News to me. How does one go about treating gynecomastia?
    Reducing estrogen and/or prolactin. This is only works if you are in the first stages.

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  • clandestine
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    Originally posted by Aston
    I think it actually depends. Gyno is surprisingly common and i think it really depends on one's sensitivity to estradiol (number of receptors in breast tissue). Luckily it seems it's not permanent if treated as soon as you get the early symptoms: swollen nipple, pain.
    Serious? News to me. How does one go about treating gynecomastia?

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  • WashedOut
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    Originally posted by gutted
    what about your hair? how is that on your current hormone sitution?
    For now I'm still not certain if I have just a mature hairline or beginning a very slow balding process. I am shedding more than I would like which is concerning. If my suspicions are correct and I have high DHT then my follicles are most likely not very sensitive to DHT but still susceptible. Hopefully that means if I bring it down a bit I could keep my hair for a while, maybe reduce my body hair, and reduce oilyness in my skin.

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  • gutted
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    Originally posted by WashedOut
    For some of us the DHT is doing more harm than good. I haven't confirmed it yet but there's something seriously unbalanced with my current hormone situation. I have low T and yet all signs of high DHT wreaking havoc on my body. The worst part is I have little to no muscle and my libido is average at best. DHT is giving me nothing (besides the bad stuff like body hair, oily skin) and taking everything.
    what about your hair? how is that on your current hormone sitution?

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  • Aston
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    I think it actually depends. Gyno is surprisingly common and i think it really depends on one's sensitivity to estradiol (number of receptors in breast tissue). Luckily it seems it's not permanent if treated as soon as you get the early symptoms: swollen nipple, pain.

    Out of curiosity, did you libido increase after you started the therapy?

    Edit: Also, let's not forget an estrogen excess in men causes prostate cancer!
    Last edited by Aston; 05-22-2012, 02:10 PM. Reason: addendum

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  • fab
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    Originally posted by Aston
    I had two doctors deny me estrogen tests until i printed "Gynecomastia results from an altered estrogen-androgen balance, in favor of estrogen, or from increased breast sensitivity to a normal circulating estrogen level." together with the wikipedia description of finasteride's action!

    When i get off finasteride, not only i will taper it of across many months, i will also stock up on the post-steroid therapy meds...
    Yeah even with the docs telling me that, I still started taking DIM 8 weeks ago as an effort to low the levels. Gyno scares the shit out of anyone. That being said, I'm about to see a third doc, this time a different doc, a urologist, and will try to get more answers, see if I can get more tests done.

    I'm not a doc but I believe you must be extremely high in estradiol to get Gyno, I was/am high but not as these body builders.

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  • Aston
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    Originally posted by fab
    Good thought. Estrogen levels deftly go high (i had measured in december and it was way higher than normal range but doc said it was not alarmfull) I then went to another doc for sexual dysfunction due to side effects and explained the Finasteride situation, he didnt even measure my estrogen/ estradiol. When asked why, he said it's irrelevant. Well, I believe as a doctor he must be knowledgable.
    I had two doctors deny me estrogen tests until i printed "Gynecomastia results from an altered estrogen-androgen balance, in favor of estrogen, or from increased breast sensitivity to a normal circulating estrogen level." together with the wikipedia description of finasteride's action!

    When i get off finasteride, not only i will taper it of across many months, i will also stock up on the post-steroid therapy meds...

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  • fab
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    Originally posted by Aston
    Speaking of Post Finasteride Syndrome: while finasteride isn't a steroid, it has steroidal action. After taking a look through a few bodybuilding sites, i noticed they follow specific therapies whenever they have to stop using a steroid, precisely to keep their endocrine system from going haywire in the aftermath and related permanent issues. At the same time, they regularly take antiestrogens to avoid side effects typically seen in finasteride and attributed to estrogen excess.
    So why do doctors never prescribe antiestrogens with finasteride (very low doses would cause no side effects in men and prevent gynecomastia and the like without fail), or post-steroidal hormone normalization therapies? Tapering out sounds exactly what should be common knowledge to do when stopping to take a steroid-like drug, at least!
    Good thought. Estrogen levels deftly go high (i had measured in december and it was way higher than normal range but doc said it was not alarmfull) I then went to another doc for sexual dysfunction due to side effects and explained the Finasteride situation, he didnt even measure my estrogen/ estradiol. When asked why, he said it wasnt necessary

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  • WashedOut
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    Originally posted by yeahyeahyeah
    Sigh - the fact that we are resorting to playing with our hormones to save hair says it ALL.

    I bet 50 years from now, hairloss sufferers would look back and think - "...that was so barbaric"
    For some of us the DHT is doing more harm than good. I haven't confirmed it yet but there's something seriously unbalanced with my current hormone situation. I have low T and yet all signs of high DHT wreaking havoc on my body. The worst part is I have little to no muscle and my libido is average at best. DHT is giving me nothing (besides the bad stuff like body hair, oily skin) and taking everything.

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  • yeahyeahyeah
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    Originally posted by Aston
    Speaking of Post Finasteride Syndrome: while finasteride isn't a steroid, it has steroidal action. After taking a look through a few bodybuilding sites, i noticed they follow specific therapies whenever they have to stop using a steroid, precisely to keep their endocrine system from going haywire in the aftermath and related permanent issues. At the same time, they regularly take antiestrogens to avoid side effects typically seen in finasteride and attributed to estrogen excess.
    So why do doctors never prescribe antiestrogens with finasteride (very low doses would cause no side effects in men and prevent gynecomastia and the like without fail), or post-steroidal hormone normalization therapies? Tapering out sounds exactly what should be common knowledge to do when stopping to take a steroid-like drug, at least!
    Sigh - the fact that we are resorting to playing with our hormones to save hair says it ALL.

    I bet 50 years from now, hairloss sufferers would look back and think - "...that was so barbaric"

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  • Aston
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    Speaking of Post Finasteride Syndrome: while finasteride isn't a steroid, it has steroidal action. After taking a look through a few bodybuilding sites, i noticed they follow specific therapies whenever they have to stop using a steroid, precisely to keep their endocrine system from going haywire in the aftermath and related permanent issues. At the same time, they regularly take antiestrogens to avoid side effects typically seen in finasteride and attributed to estrogen excess.
    So why do doctors never prescribe antiestrogens with finasteride (very low doses would cause no side effects in men and prevent gynecomastia and the like without fail), or post-steroidal hormone normalization therapies? Tapering out sounds exactly what should be common knowledge to do when stopping to take a steroid-like drug, at least!
    Last edited by Aston; 05-22-2012, 10:33 AM. Reason: Trying to save the grammar

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  • fab
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    Originally posted by UK_
    Finasteride sides usually occur when you come off the drug hence the term "post finasteride syndrome" (PFS), you'll experience a period of around 12 - 21 days of normal DHT levels and then you'll experience the dreaded crash - unfortunately, if this occurs there's no telling how long it takes for your entire endocrine system to normalize - if it ever does.
    Took it for 10 years. In my 8th (sort of) year I had abstained for a couple of months because it ran out and I was waiting shipping, had no problem, no PFS, nothing... nevertheless, not saying PFS couldn't happen, with Fin anything can happen I guess, just saying my experience

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  • fab
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    Originally posted by Maradona
    Well my prostate is ****ed after taking propecia, either my head made my prostate get some serious inflammation or fin causes my hormones to deviate wildly from baseline which caused my my prostate inflammation (NOT ENLARGEMENT which is a different thing) .

    I keep telling myself it can't be the propecia ! It's just coincidence that while I took it my prostate started to get ****ed. It has to be !


    Either way, now I have to live with this BS until the day I fukin die.
    Can you elaborate this more please? What exactly inflammation is that you got? Did you do any exam/ultrasound, if so which one? What does BS stand for? Thanks!

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  • Maradona
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    Well my prostate is ****ed after taking propecia, either my head made my prostate get some serious inflammation or fin causes my hormones to deviate wildly from baseline which caused my my prostate inflammation (NOT ENLARGEMENT which is a different thing) .

    I keep telling myself it can't be the propecia ! It's just coincidence that while I took it my prostate started to get ****ed. It has to be !


    Either way, now I have to live with this BS until the day I fukin die.

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