Difference between a 'mature hairline' and early MPB?

[burtandernie]

I think when your hair grows the pattern of androgen receptors is kind of unique to you and varies by each individual hair maybe with juvenile hairline the most sensitive to androgens and its pretty common that the very front and temples go first and I think its just those hairs are most sensitive in most men so over time those die first.
I wish there were some studies showing us how hair is sensitive to androgens like show us receptor layouts or explain that because its an important question we are still guessing at it.

[drybone]

I think when your hair grows the pattern of androgen receptors is kind of unique to you and varies by each individual hair maybe with juvenile hairline the most sensitive to androgens and its pretty common that the very front and temples go first and I think its just those hairs are most sensitive in most men so over time those die first.
I wish there were some studies showing us how hair is sensitive to androgens like show us receptor layouts or explain that because its an important question we are still guessing at it.

Agreed. Like a 'map' . I think some hairs cant take it at all, others can resist for a while, others can make it a little further and the sides and back last forever.

However, the DHT levels that kill them almost always start between 18-22. Some exceptions apply , some a few years earlier some a few years later.

[mpb47]

I think when your hair grows the pattern of androgen receptors is kind of unique to you and varies by each individual hair maybe with juvenile hairline the most sensitive to androgens and its pretty common that the very front and temples go first and I think its just those hairs are most sensitive in most men so over time those die first.
I wish there were some studies showing us how hair is sensitive to androgens like show us receptor layouts or explain that because its an important question we are still guessing at it.

That is basically how I understand it as well. Men have a lot of androgen receptors up front and that along with 5-alpha reductase kills our hairlines.
Women have a lot of another kind of receptor up front that stops T from becoming DHT. Instead it becomes E which promotes hair grow instead of killing it. I am sure it's a lot more complicated than that but it is the basic idea.

[mpb47]

Agreed. Like a 'map' . I think some hairs cant take it at all, others can resist for a while, others can make it a little further and the sides and back last forever.

However, the DHT levels that kill them almost always start between 18-22. Some exceptions apply , some a few years earlier some a few years later.

I think that is what is programmed at birth. Mine started probably around 15 or so. Just lucky that it stopped for a long time.

[drybone]

I think that is what is programmed at birth. Mine started probably around 15 or so. Just lucky that it stopped for a long time.

We can finally agree !!!!

While the DHT is constantly attacking our heads, you can have resistant hairs that last for 20 years before they finally give out, thus the 'balding' starts later.

[mpb47]

We can finally agree !!!!

While the DHT is constantly attacking our heads, you can have resistant hairs that last for 20 years before they finally give out, thus the 'balding' starts later.

Really don't think we disagreed just matter of semantics.

I am just crossing my fingers for something as good as propecia with no worries of sides. And before time runs out on me. Might be a pipe-dream, but still hoping...

[drybone]

Really don't think we disagreed just matter of semantics.

I am just crossing my fingers for something as good as propecia with no worries of sides. And before time runs out on me. Might be a pipe-dream, but still hoping...

How about this RU stuff ???

[mpb47]

How about this RU stuff ???

I don't know how safe it is and after my sides from propecia I am a little gun shy to experiment with unknowns. 10-15 years ago when my mpb was really kicking in hard I probably would have tried most anything.

There is a long thread on hairlosshelp where several guys used anti-androgens and I think even E to see what it would do. One guy was young and had just started losing his temple hair. Well his hairline did come back so it is technical possible to beat the "mature" hairline. But after awhile he got brain fog and I believe muscle loss so he then tapered off. He said just as soon as he would go off he would start to recede again. I am not willing to go that far, though it is interesting to know if you are crazy enough, you can stop it. It also show how damm determined mpb is and how it starts right back up the instant you stop even meds as strong as he was on.

[drybone]

Good points.

I reached this point as well, and I came to the conclusion that it was a never ending problem so just wait and have a hair transplant, then the MPS wont matter as its fully resistant.

Thought this way for 20 years until shortly after I had an actual hair transplant

Hair transplants are surgery. They are not the easy serene infomercials. Its blood and guts ripping part of your scalp FUT or punching holes in your head FUE surgery.

And these are the good kinds. Think about how it used to be

The density is not going to be as good as our orignal hair, even if we have 2 transplants and dense pack. Even if its good enough, its expensive, a lot of down time due to recovery and unsightly redness ...........if you can just hang onto your original hair, better to do that.

I hope you find a med that works for you

[mpb47]

Good points.

I reached this point as well, and I came to the conclusion that it was a never ending problem so just wait and have a hair transplant, then the MPS wont matter as its fully resistant.

Thought this way for 20 years until shortly after I had an actual hair transplant

Hair transplants are surgery. They are not the easy serene infomercials. Its blood and guts ripping part of your scalp FUT or punching holes in your head FUE surgery.

And these are the good kinds. Think about how it used to be

The density is not going to be as good as our orignal hair, even if we have 2 transplants and dense pack. Even if its good enough, its expensive, a lot of down time due to recovery and unsightly redness ...........if you can just hang onto your original hair, better to do that.

I hope you find a med that works for you

Well at least you will never have to worry about that area going to mpb. And since you can take propecia you should be ok. I am about the same age or very close to the same age when my uncle went through a big spurt of mpb and a few years later when he turned 50, he had gone from thinning crown to shiny bald crown. I am waiting to see if it tries to do the same thing to me. If I can get past that, I should be ok for a long time as minox is still doing a pretty good job. And hopefully new treatments will come out and help all of us.

[drybone]

Well at least you will never have to worry about that area going to mpb. And since you can take propecia you should be ok. I am about the same age or very close to the same age when my uncle went through a big spurt of mpb and a few years later when he turned 50, he had gone from thinning crown to shiny bald crown. I am waiting to see if it tries to do the same thing to me. If I can get past that, I should be ok for a long time as minox is still doing a pretty good job. And hopefully new treatments will come out and help all of us.

Awesome. Good post

[mpb47]

Awesome. Good post

A little off the subject, but I would like your opinion on something- or rather tell me I am not crazy

I take pics every so often to see any positive or negative changes. I have been doing this for well over 10 years when my crown started.

This morning when I got out of the shower I noticed something strange so I took pics, not with my normal camera but with my cellphone since it was right there.

I go through shedding cycles because of minox and at times-like a month ago, my crown looked really big. Right now it doesn't look as bad as I guess I am in a regrowth cycle, but it still doesn't explain what I just noticed:

When my hair is wet, like literally right out of the shower, my hairline looks far worse than my crown. Which is not true, it is the complete opposite.
As soon as I towel dry and then blow dry everything flip flops back into reality.

Anyway I took some photos but late for work will upload tonight and
you can tell me if you see the same thing I am seeing.

I know it's not this way all the time esp when I am at the bottom of a sheding cycle, but still found it strange between the diff between wet, drying, and dry.

[BigThinker]

Dryness has everything to do with how hair looks. When my hair is wet, my frontal region looks like Jude Law's dry. When it's dry, you wouldn't even be able to tell I was thinning at all.

[drybone]

Dryness has everything to do with how hair looks. When my hair is wet, my frontal region looks like Jude Law's dry. When it's dry, you wouldn't even be able to tell I was thinning at all.

Agreed. I hid behind this concept since I was 30. Then at 38 I started to do volumizers and keep the front at least 5 inches long.

By 43 I could no longer hide the thinning.

[jackroylance]

Okay this shows my left side which looks worse than the right - are you sure thats normal? Im not convinced.