Aames' Dutasteride Log

[WarLord]

Probably. But it was unlikely that it would have given me regrowth and the thickening that I want. I'm also kind of interested in duta's effects on acne (some say it cleared them up perfectly) and free testosterone (some claim it actually helps build muscle). If I stay side effect free, I guess I see no reason to not use duta over fin then. Probably would have had to made the switch eventually.

Your decision was right. You can play with finasteride, when you are 40 years old. If you are young, MPB proceeds too fast and you must bet on a more effective stuff.

[Aames]

I'm not sure where I fall on the whole kids issue anymore. You'll never convince the entire bald population to not hump everything they can; and if they are able to get a mate in the first place, aren't they fit enough to pass on their genes? Meh, I'm not sure I want children anyway; more important things to worry about now.

Anyway, WarLord, am I remembering correctly when I recall that you juiced while on fin? How did that turn out? Was fin sufficient in battling excess DHT? Part of me wants to ride a single bike to escape the skinny-fat zone for good, but I am too afraid of damaging my hair.

As for an update, I started taking fin again yesterday (4/3) in conjunction with duta. This is primarily because I have a bunch leftover and also, I guess I feel safer for some reason. Not sure why.

[25 going on 65]

As for an update, I started taking fin again yesterday (4/3) in conjunction with duta. This is primarily because I have a bunch leftover and also, I guess I feel safer for some reason. Not sure why.

Yeah man. I am very paranoid about going through with my plan to taper off fin. I still take a full 1.25 mg every evening after my .5 dut in the morning....have not even started to taper. I know this is irrational, but I feel so secure with my dual inhibitors

[WarLord]

I'm not sure where I fall on the whole kids issue anymore. You'll never convince the entire bald population to not hump everything they can; and if they are able to get a mate in the first place, aren't they fit enough to pass on their genes? Meh, I'm not sure I want children anyway; more important things to worry about now.

Anyway, WarLord, am I remembering correctly when I recall that you juiced while on fin? How did that turn out? Was fin sufficient in battling excess DHT? Part of me wants to ride a single bike to escape the skinny-fat zone for good, but I am too afraid of damaging my hair.

As for an update, I started taking fin again yesterday (4/3) in conjunction with duta. This is primarily because I have a bunch leftover and also, I guess I feel safer for some reason. Not sure why.

Steroid use has nothing to do with excess DHT (unless you use testosterone). I was using steroids many times during 2008-2012 and I was using only 5% minoxidil. But I took stanozolol, a relatively harsh steroid, only twice; for the rest of the time I took oxandrolone that shouldn't influence your hair at all. In fact, I felt that my long-term problems with seborrhea had IMPROVED while on oxandrolone. It is a very, very mild stuff.

If you are on finasteride, then your choice of steroids is very limited. In fact, I wouldn't even recommend oxandrolone. However, there is one good choice: SARMs. Actually, I think that it was due to a simultaneous use of SARMs that I experienced a fast regrowth of hair only after 6 weeks on finasteride. After I quitted SARMs, the regrowth stopped and my life turned into a nightmare. But that's another story.

[WarLord]

Yeah man. I am very paranoid about going through with my plan to taper off fin. I still take a full 1.25 mg every evening after my .5 dut in the morning....have not even started to taper. I know this is irrational, but I feel so secure with my dual inhibitors

A weekly dose of finasteride (7x1.25 mg) equals to two Avodart pills a week. So if you want to start Avodart (0.5 mg ED), you can add 2-3 pills to your finasteride regime for several weeks, and when it builds up in your bloodstream, you can quit finasteride and slowly add another Avodart pills up to 7 pills a week.

[Aames]

Yeah man. I am very paranoid about going through with my plan to taper off fin. I still take a full 1.25 mg every evening after my .5 dut in the morning....have not even started to taper. I know this is irrational, but I feel so secure with my dual inhibitors

Yeah, I know what you mean. I do think that I will discontinue fin for good when I run out. Depending on my results at that time, I may also up my dut dosage to 1.0 mg per day or do a 0.5 mg oral/ 0.5 mg topical split.

Thanks for the info, WarLord. It's probably best that I don't get into that world at this time, to be honest. Maybe in the future, I will make better use of your information.

I was reading that last results thread that got posted and it got me worried about de-myelination. I sure hope that something like that doesn't happen to me or anyone in the duta crew for that matter. Scary stuff to think about but you have to do what you have to do.

[25 going on 65]

A weekly dose of finasteride (7x1.25 mg) equals to two Avodart pills a week. So if you want to start Avodart (0.5 mg ED), you can add 2-3 pills to your finasteride regime for several weeks, and when it builds up in your bloodstream, you can quit finasteride and slowly add another Avodart pills up to 7 pills a week.

I actually already started Avodart almost 2 months ago. Jumped right on .5 mg every day. When I started, I dropped from 2.5 mg finasteride daily to 1.25 mg. My plan was to slowly taper down from 1.25mg fin until weening off it completely, while my body was "loading up" on dut. Yet now I find myself wanting to chicken out of tapering off finasteride....there is this weird feeling of security in continuing the drug that has helped my hair for so long (2.5 years) even as I start a more powerful DHT inhibitor.
I am most paranoid when it comes to hair

[25 going on 65]

Yeah, I know what you mean. I do think that I will discontinue fin for good when I run out. Depending on my results at that time, I may also up my dut dosage to 1.0 mg per day or do a 0.5 mg oral/ 0.5 mg topical split.

How well do you think topical dut would work?

[PatientlyWaiting]

I actually already started Avodart almost 2 months ago. Jumped right on .5 mg every day. When I started, I dropped from 2.5 mg finasteride daily to 1.25 mg. My plan was to slowly taper down from 1.25mg fin until weening off it completely, while my body was "loading up" on dut. Yet now I find myself wanting to chicken out of tapering off finasteride....there is this weird feeling of security in continuing the drug that has helped my hair for so long (2.5 years) even as I start a more powerful DHT inhibitor.
I am most paranoid when it comes to hair

How are you doing at 2 months so far? Anything better than what fin was doing? And are you on minoxidil?

[25 going on 65]

How are you doing at 2 months so far? Anything better than what fin was doing? And are you on minoxidil?

So far so good. No big initial shed so far, no side effects. I use brand name Avodart from a licensed pharmacy. I think this is too early to really see a visible improvement over my fin results, but I started a thread when I first made the switch and will update it if I see significant improvements
I don't use minox but I have used 2% keto shampoo for 3 years at least.

[PatientlyWaiting]

I'm going to do the same, I won't update my thread until I see improvement worth posting. My initial goal is once I hit 6 months, if there's some good improvement, I will update it with before and after pictures. The before pictures will be from March 15th and March 29th. I have 13 days on dut, and about 11 days on Rogaine. So around September will be 6 months, but i'm hoping to see some improvement in 2-4 months, if I do, I will post it. I'll keep my fingers crossed that my thread will be updated throughout the years with improvement

[25 going on 65]

I'm going to do the same, I won't update my thread until I see improvement worth posting. My initial goal is once I hit 6 months, if there's some good improvement, I will update it with before and after pictures. The before pictures will be from March 15th and March 29th. I have 13 days on dut, and about 11 days on Rogaine. So around September will be 6 months, but i'm hoping to see some improvement in 2-4 months, if I do, I will post it. I'll keep my fingers crossed that my thread will be updated throughout the years with improvement

I would be surprised if you saw no improvement going from just fin to dut+minox. Do you use keto shampoo too?

[PatientlyWaiting]

I'd be surprised too, well more bummed out than surprised. My reaction would be more like "Damn, this didn't work either!?". I don't use Keto shampoo, but i'm thinking about it. I've used it before but the 1% one, and I have Keto 2% cream, somewhere around my room. If I get back on Keto shampoo it will have to be 2%, because I saw nothing with 1%.

If anything I rather add Retin A cream, than Keto. Because if Keto just works like minoxidil, then I don't see why I should use it. Better Retin A to help Minoxidil penetrate better.

[25 going on 65]

From what I understand the mechanism of minox is different than keto shampoo. These treatments can work together & are not necessarily redundant.
Keto is more of a supporting treatment but I figure we need all the help we can get

[Aames]

How well do you think topical dut would work?

I've heard some very positive results. Apparently there's a book called "Double A" or something, where the guy claims he regrew a very significant amount of hair using a topical mixture of 0.5 mg Avodart and a shot-glass of aloe (hence, double A). Truthfully, since there's no trials or anything, we can't be certain whether oral duta would have given him the same results. Some speculate that it could work better since it could reduce scalp DHT more than oral, but I think it just gets absorbed systemically anyway, so I'm not so sure.

I'd be surprised too, well more bummed out than surprised. My reaction would be more like "Damn, this didn't work either!?". I don't use Keto shampoo, but i'm thinking about it. I've used it before but the 1% one, and I have Keto 2% cream, somewhere around my room. If I get back on Keto shampoo it will have to be 2%, because I saw nothing with 1%.

If anything I rather add Retin A cream, than Keto. Because if Keto just works like minoxidil, then I don't see why I should use it. Better Retin A to help Minoxidil penetrate better.

Well keto differs from minox in that it has anti-DHT properties. But yeah, it is totally supplemental and standalone results would probably be minimal at best. I use it just to be safe.