Should I use propecia?

[25 going on 65]

The effectiveness of fin and dut isn't due to prostate shrinking (which may be a result of the drugs' mechanism but not the cause of stopping MPB) or deactivation (the same amount of 5-ar and T are still produced by the body) but because they bind to the 5-ar type II enzyme, rendering it unable to bond with testosterone. The idea of not ejaculating to stop MPB has floated around/been experimented with for decades but unfortunately doesn't work, at least not in a way that comes anywhere near halting hair loss. (But then if it did, it would still make having hair pretty pointless anyway, if you know what I mean )
Right now these 2 drugs are the only available MPB treatments that safely work for most men, but there are 2 adjunct treatments that might buy a little time on their own: minox and keto.

Edit: I suppose the bottom line is that no one needs to take fin/dut for MPB in the literal sense, but for those of us who want to keep our hair, they're what we are stuck with for now

[beatinghairloss]

The effectiveness of fin and dut isn't due to prostate shrinking (which may be a result of the drugs' mechanism but not the cause of stopping MPB) or deactivation (the same amount of 5-ar and T are still produced by the body) but because they bind to the 5-ar type II enzyme, rendering it unable to bond with testosterone. The idea of not ejaculating to stop MPB has floated around/been experimented with for decades but unfortunately doesn't work, at least not in a way that comes anywhere near halting hair loss. (But then if it did, it would still make having hair pretty pointless anyway, if you know what I mean )
Right now these 2 drugs are the only available MPB treatments that safely work for most men, but there are 2 adjunct treatments that might buy a little time on their own: minox and keto.

Edit: I suppose the bottom line is that no one needs to take fin/dut for MPB in the literal sense, but for those of us who want to keep our hair, they're what we are stuck with for now

First of all the Idea of not ejaculating to stop hair loss has not been tested the way you make it sound because people with hair loss don’t feel justified with keeping what they have and anybody who has tried it will tell you they didn't lose a spec of hair while abstinent(castrated men don't lose hair so I have heard). Their scalps became healthier and no more DHT oils being expelled. Aside from that most of what you say is true with some elusive misunderstandings. The belief that 5-AR stops the binding is a double edge sward because although this may slightly work in this manner there is still an abundance of DHT otherwise people taking the meds would never lose hair. The real mechanism or the other edge of the sword is that this reducing in DHT is happening due to the chemicals effect on the reducing of the active site of T conversion to DHT which is the prostate. You are aware that the prostate produces more DHT then anywhere in your body? This mild binding effect if it exists at all is peer speculation and we have no SCIENTIFIC evidence to prove that. We haven’t observed it, there are other explanations on what its doing and yet we really don’t know how it works. What we do know is the prostate is regulated by the amount of sperm each and every time you ejaculate it passes through there to “pick up” the prostate fluid and anybody who denies that needs to freshen up on some introductory Anatomy and Physiology. With that said the assumption that the most active T-DHT conversion site being the prostate anybody who thinks not using it would not deregulate it needs to read up on some intro chemistry. I would love to teach you about surface area and conservation of mass but I don't enjoy typing that much. The gist is your prostate will always produce DHT and like anything the larger it gets the more it produces. The rapid growth at age 12 that slows down by 20 is no coincidence to be the time when facial hair and earlier balding begins. DHT is the culprit and in areas of Japan and India where teen masturbation is frowned upon for this very reason of over producing this Hormone they are laughing at us bald white folks.

[25 going on 65]

First of all the Idea of not ejaculating to stop hair loss has not been tested the way you make it sound because people with hair loss don’t feel justified with keeping what they have and anybody who has tried it will tell you they didn't lose a spec of hair while abstinent [not correct, check 15 years of hair loss forums] (castrated men don't lose hair so I have heard). Their scalps became healthier and no more DHT oils being expelled. Aside from that most of what you say is true with some elusive misunderstandings. The belief that 5-AR stops the binding is a double edge sward because although this may slightly work in this manner there is still an abundance of DHT otherwise people taking the meds would never lose hair. [5-ar doesn't stop the binding, fin/dut binds to 5-ar which stops it from binding to T] The real mechanism or the other edge of the sword is that this reducing in DHT is happening due to the chemicals effect on the reducing of the active site of T conversion to DHT which is the prostate. You are aware that the prostate produces more DHT then anywhere in your body? This mild binding effect if it exists at all is peer speculation and we have no SCIENTIFIC evidence to prove that. [It's basic knowledge, hence why fin/dut work.] We haven’t observed it, there are other explanations on what its doing and yet we really don’t know how it works. What we do know is the prostate is regulated by the amount of sperm each and every time you ejaculate it passes through there to “pick up” the prostate fluid and anybody who denies that needs to freshen up on some introductory Anatomy and Physiology. With that said the assumption that the most active T-DHT conversion site being the prostate anybody who thinks not using it would not deregulate it needs to read up on some intro chemistry. I would love to teach you about surface area and conservation of mass but I don't enjoy typing that much. The gist is your prostate will always produce DHT and like anything the larger it gets the more it produces. The rapid growth at age 12 that slows down by 20 is no coincidence to be the time when facial hair and earlier balding begins. DHT is the culprit and in areas of Japan and India where teen masturbation is frowned upon for this very reason of over producing this Hormone they are laughing at us bald white folks.

Lots of balding/bald men in India and Japan. And teenagers/young men in any country sneak in their stroking no matter how frowned upon it is.

[WashedOut]

I agree it’s a decision that only the person contemplating it can surely make. I do mean to discourage people from taking a pill that may cause long lasting unwanted sexual side effects but for good reason. Maybe I am wrong but would you say that the following deserves more thought?

The stickiness of your ejaculate is made of the seaman produced in the prostate. This fluid keeps the sperm produced in your testicles alive in the highly acidic vagina. Sperm combines with seaman as it passes through the prostate to make up the total ejaculate. Is it not strange that most taking Propecia experience the least bothersome side effect a watery ejaculate? It’s pretty clear that Propecia is causing the prostate to stop functioning whether it’s by shrinking it or by rendering it partly inactive. Well my simple point is that if you stop ejaculating then you would accomplish a smaller less active prostate the major site in your body of T to DHT conversion. So while I think any person should be able to, with proper education of the risks, make the decision of whether or not to take Propecia I also believe they should be well aware that periodic abstinence may have the same and possibly minor positive effect of Propecia.

Why would anyone listen to a guy who doesn't even know how to spell semen? I know you're not gonna listen to this but you really gotta stop making up your own theories.

[Maradona]

Should you use Propecia....

I say. No.


I am not a doctor.

I would avoid propecia at all costs, I would rather go bald.
You are 18 and you can **** up your body entirely, not only your dick.

Wait till +21 to shoot yourself in the mouth. Even if you have no side effects at the beggining, you have to live with the fear of having that drug within your system and that in my opinion is worse than going bald.

[beatinghairloss]

Why would anyone listen to a guy who doesn't even know how to spell semen? I know you're not gonna listen to this but you really gotta stop making up your own theories.

wat R u mi 6th grade Inglesh Teecher. Way to go you found a spelling error just to spite you I will conclude this message with a very long run on sentence that will hopefully further anoy you the suggestion you made for me to not formulate theories is bogus how can you expect to ever further the knowledge or body of evidence building science up if you don't formulate theories and test them

[beatinghairloss]

I would avoid propecia at all costs, I would rather go bald.
You are 18 and you can **** up your body entirely, not only your dick.

Wait till +21 to shoot yourself in the mouth. Even if you have no side effects at the beggining, you have to live with the fear of having that drug within your system and that in my opinion is worse than going bald.

I could not agree more.

[beatinghairloss]

Why would anyone listen to a guy who doesn't even know how to spell semen? I know you're not gonna listen to this but you really gotta stop making up your own theories.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2055645

This is not my theories. Its fact. Period.

Some of you chose not to read this fact!. So here is a very short intro lesson on the function of the prostate its one f***ing paragraph I wont spoon feed you any more read it.

[beatinghairloss]

Testosterone is made in the testicles where it travels to the prostate and is secreted through epithelial cells (for those of you who don’t know those are surface cells of organs primarily responsible for secretion and absorption) and at the same time is converting 95% of T to DHT. This is a required process for ejaculation or in other words to fill up the prostate before each time you use it because your body does just that to keep you ready at all times in fact its able to do this very quickly within a few minutes. That would mean, simply put, each ejaculation not only takes away Testosterone but increased DHT and that is fact numb skulls. What’s worse as you get older your prostate get so big it reduces urine flow and this over sized prostate converts more DHT then ever. Then you hit a certain age (around 50) and Testosterone begins to plummet leaving much less free T to convert to DHT which in turn lowers DHT as well all though whatever young new process keeping your hair healthy and working are long passed and DHT by this time will have done its dirty work.

[25 going on 65]

I know you're trying to help but the abstinence "treatment" is a dead end, always has been. Like scalp tightness, blood flow, bad air, etc. it is an old wives tale that started before any of us were born. Every few years another round of people new to hair loss try to resurrect these ideas on balding forums and force puzzle pieces together that don't fit. We already know why dut/fin work.
There's no need to imagine mysteries where we already have answers, no need to reinvent the wheel. Occam's Razor does away with these wives tales very cleanly.

[beatinghairloss]

I know you're trying to help but the abstinence "treatment" is a dead end, always has been. Like scalp tightness, blood flow, bad air, etc. it is an old wives tale that started before any of us were born. Every few years another round of people new to hair loss try to resurrect these ideas on balding forums and force puzzle pieces together that don't fit. We already know why dut/fin work.
There's no need to imagine mysteries where we already have answers, no need to reinvent the wheel. Occam's Razor does away with these wives tales very cleanly.

Your dead wrong. The guys who actually give this a shot leave these forums because they have no use for them anymore. You have it backwards your the ones wrong and thats why your still here.

[WashedOut]

Your dead wrong. The guys who actually give this a shot leave these forums because they have no use for them anymore. You have it backwards your the ones wrong and thats why your still here.

hahah yeah that must be it man. They're keeping all the secrets to themselves. You are hilariously out of touch with reality.

I'm gonna make a new theory that chewing gum every day will prevent cancer. Prove me wrong world.

[25 going on 65]

You can see for yourself (even on this forum) the guys who tried this and failed.
On the other hand we have no evidence anywhere of guys regrowing hair by not shagging or wanking--while most of us on proven treatments have already maintained and regrown. I have the MPB gene yet my hair has been getting better and better for 2 years....guys who are really hurt by hair loss can be like me, or they can be like the guys who walk around gritting teeth desperate for release, yet still falling down the NW scale. (One of the few things worse than balding is balding and not even having sex, by choice!)
I'll be here until medical science regrows 100% of the hair I want, because I'm vain. Even after that I may keep coming back to call out snake oil, because even when we have a compete solution, there will be guys trying to avoid them with abstinence and scalp massages. (And saw palmetto, oxygen treatments, standing on their heads, shellfish oil, and scalp rollers, and on and on....) Kind of like how there are cancer victims who have a 90% chance to get well with known methods but instead go to homeopaths and die.

[25 going on 65]

I'm gonna make a new theory that chewing gum every day will prevent cancer. Prove me wrong world.

Well I chew gum at least once a week and I'm over 2 and a half decades cancer free. In fact I don't have a single post on cancer forums!

[beatinghairloss]

You can see for yourself (even on this forum) the guys who tried this and failed.
On the other hand we have no evidence anywhere of guys regrowing hair by not shagging or wanking--while most of us on proven treatments have already maintained and regrown. I have the MPB gene yet my hair has been getting better and better for 2 years....guys who are really hurt by hair loss can be like me, or they can be like the guys who walk around gritting teeth desperate for release, yet still falling down the NW scale. (One of the few things worse than balding is balding and not even having sex, by choice!)
I'll be here until medical science regrows 100% of the hair I want, because I'm vain. Even after that I may keep coming back to call out snake oil, because even when we have a compete solution, there will be guys trying to avoid them with abstinence and scalp massages. (And saw palmetto, oxygen treatments, standing on their heads, shellfish oil, and scalp rollers, and on and on....) Kind of like how there are cancer victims who have a 90% chance to get well with known methods but instead go to homeopaths and die.

I know one thing for sure your a smart person. I have no doubt that you have come to your conclusions with honest reading and consideration. I also know that from your words you believe passionately there is no correlation in fact we can call it the common belief even amongst doctors today. What you don't know is there has not been a person report a year of abstinence on any forum not one. If propecia takes a year then Why not abstinence. Second, I have had personal experiences and conversations with many people who have cured hair loss with full abstinence. I my self have not been able to go longer then 3 weeks because I don't care enough about going bald to give that up. However I do know it's my choice and people who have never used forums have not had the bad stigma that comes on forums. These people cured their hair loss and never knew there was a forum for hair loss. So be like me say fu*k it but don't deny that you can stop it with abstinence. Dht will stop If you don't use your prostate and none of you can say different because you haven't tested it so u don't know. Science has had numerous explanations that contradict previous "facts" every day for as long as mankind has been here. The world was not flat. So then the only thing you can rely on is self testing.