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  • Mark Baxa, MD
    Junior Member
    • Mar 2009
    • 16

    #16
    In reference to Someguy's request for info - FYI for Hairdude

    In hopefully addressing the original question ..... And to just add a friendly comment for Hairdude. I understand your concern about HT verses Finasteride, however as in the 'real-world' of Medicine & Surgery, we do generally try the less invasive techniques first [i.e. for a fracture we place a cast on the broken limb ... before considering just going to the operating room to insert a rod into the cortex of the bone //// In cardiology we prefer medications to control BP or decrease lipids, before angioplasty and placement of a stent ~ or ~ taking the patient into the O.R. to do a open-heart bypass graft].
    I understand that this is just dealing with 'hair' ... But I still like to advise my patients on ALL options available and if they are a candidate for medication [i.e. Finasteride], then I will offer it.
    However, as you pointed out ... definitely some patients are best just going directly to HRS [Hair Restoration surgery] ... However, I do still like to educate the on all options and create a viable plan for them.
    I discuss these facts with my patients and new consults everyday.
    Two comments that I think are important [and may shock the HT community] .. First, Finasteride is pretty effective at lowering DHT, thereby it does take 18 -24 months to really see the full benefit of the medication. Most men will take it for years [which is not a bad thing, considering it is also very effective for maintaining prostate health and lowering your risk for BPH and Prostate Cancer]. Then when and if you do decide to stop taking Finasteride .... Your hair does NOT just fall out! Instead, the DHT will have to build up again [over 18-24 months] before you will then 'start' at that point to have progressive thinning and the hair loss that you may of had many years earlier ... but it will take time and 'start' from the point in which you stop taking the medication.
    Secondly, [and I am sure this will get alot of comments], FUE is NOT a new or wonderful or fabulous procedure! I only advise it when my patients have had extensive HRS [usually the old plug method of the 60's & 70's] and therefore have alot of scar tissue and limited donor supply! Then FUE has a good place for HRS. On that note, I feel that ALOT of Doctors & clinics tout the FUE as a 'Scarless Procedure' ... ONLY for 'Marketing' and 'Revenue' for their office!!
    FUE is NOT a Scarless procedure .... instead you just have hundreds of small punch holes which WILL leave hundreds of little round scars!!!
    Even in the best of hands [i.e. The Surgeon] ... FUE is a BLIND procedure that leads to transected grafts and alot of WASTE of good donor and follicles!
    So do not be mis-lead on this point!
    FUE does have a place ... and I use it only in very select patients.
    FTU [Follicular Transplant Units] are in 'my' opinion ... still the Gold Standard!
    I would also add [and I am sure that this will stimulate discuss] ... That the 'New' rage of "Ultra-Refined FTU's" .... Is just a 'finer' type of FTU ... and therefore is again just another marketing tool to stimulate office/clinic revenue!
    I can say all of the above, because I have been doing HRS procedures for MANY years and I have pretty much seen it all .... Plus, I am successful enough that I do NOT rely on all the 'B.S.' marketing Hype that unfortunately plagues the field of HRS.
    When it [HRS] is done correctly, it can and is a fabulous and life changing procedure .... any of the above [i.e. Ultra-refined FTU, FUE or even FTU's] in the wrong hands can leave the patient wishing they had never done anything at all!!
    I see many unfortunate patients everyday ... who now have limited donor, many scars or round FUe punch holes .... still in need of repair work.
    I could go on, but enough siad.
    Sorry for the long 'rant'
    In closing, i would just ask the members of this forum to choose wisely and always look at the Doctors work .... and above all, get educated on all the options.
    I hope this puts this matter to rest.
    Best Regards, Mark D. Baxa, MD

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    • Hairdude
      Junior Member
      • Apr 2009
      • 14

      #17
      Dr. Maxa,
      My apologies if I offended you or anyone, that is not my intention. I only had the strip method, so I can't comment on the FUE other than what I have heard or seen. I also know that it is not for anyone. I was unaware of the high amount of transected grafts - so your rant is welcome and educational. I am in my early thirites and HT has changed my life. I am only voicing my opinion as a satisfied patient and for me I just don't want to take any meds for the next 50 years, again that is for me. Thank You.

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      • Someguy
        Junior Member
        • Apr 2009
        • 24

        #18
        Thank you all for the responses. Say if I were to get a HT, how would I pay for it. In other words, would he do 400 hairs until I could pay for the next 400 hairs ect? Or would he do it all at once.

        If a HT is permanent, I wouldn't mind going that route. However, I can't afford it. I will look into the other methods as well.


        By the way, when you say a HT causes a scar what do you mean?

        There is a Dr. Feinberg by me in Englewood NJ. He looks very good from the little I know. Does anyone know about him?

        I can't believe I'm discussing this. I never thought I would have a spot on my crown. The days of denial are over.

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        • the B spot
          Doctor Representative
          • Jan 2009
          • 85

          #19
          FUE is certainly not a scarless procedure. However, by using .8 .9 and 1.0mm punches tailored to the patient, once can minimize the "potential" scarring and be left with no visible scarring.

          Of course, as you continue to take from the donor, there may be gaps or some white dots that effectively give the donor a moth-eaten look that renders the argument moot---it is the doctor and patient who must be judicious and forward looking when advising and performing this procedure.

          We have found FUE to be a great adjunct to our clinic. Instead of turning away certain patients we can help them instead of slapping a strip scar on them and forcing them to wear longer hair forever. These patients have options for their future.

          Also, those who need a 4-500 graft touch-up in the temples, or those who cannot deal with a strip scar, FUE is an excellent alternative.

          FUE elicits very strong opinions--there are those who oversell it, over-hype it, and put patients at risk both short and long term. Then there are those who either cannot perform the surgery properly or will not invest the time it takes to get really good at FUE who will not support FUE as a first option and a great one at that. There doesn't seem to be a middle ground, for some reason
          Take Care,
          Jason
          Patient Advocate/FUE Coordinator for Shapiro Medical Group. My advice and opinions are my own and is not medical advice. I am a Cubs fan.

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          • Someguy
            Junior Member
            • Apr 2009
            • 24

            #20
            I went to get a free consultation today from a Dermatologist who does hair transplantations. He said I would only need around 800 grafts if I remember correctly and it would cost me a little over 4 grand. I guess I can go for that.
            I can't afford it now...

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            • Zao
              Senior Member
              • Dec 2008
              • 152

              #21
              You mean that after everything that you read on this thread that you would consider going to a dermatologist who does hair transplants on the side??? 800 grafts won;t do much for you. Good thing you can’t afford it now!

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              • Hairdude
                Junior Member
                • Apr 2009
                • 14

                #22
                You may need more. But remember the length of the hair also makes a difference, if you keep it long, it will give the illusion you have enough. After going through a transplant. If you are going to get it done go to someone from this board and not to just any Dermatologist. Anyone can do it in theory, but you might as well spend that money on someone who does this all day, everyday. And to be honest a Board Certified Dermatologist with an IVY League edication doesn't mean he's a good HT surgeon.

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                • Someguy
                  Junior Member
                  • Apr 2009
                  • 24

                  #23
                  Originally posted by Zao
                  You mean that after everything that you read on this thread that you would consider going to a dermatologist who does hair transplants on the side??? 800 grafts won;t do much for you. Good thing you can’t afford it now!

                  Zao I went to a Dr.Fienberg who was highly recommended by a hair stylist. I would be happy to get another consultation by others. Can you recommend anyone else? Here is his website.
                  http://www.hairmd .com/

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                  • Someguy
                    Junior Member
                    • Apr 2009
                    • 24

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Hairdude
                    You may need more. But remember the length of the hair also makes a difference, if you keep it long, it will give the illusion you have enough. After going through a transplant. If you are going to get it done go to someone from this board and not to just any Dermatologist. Anyone can do it in theory, but you might as well spend that money on someone who does this all day, everyday. And to be honest a Board Certified Dermatologist with an IVY League edication doesn't mean he's a good HT surgeon.
                    Okay I will have to find someone from this board. I will have to find the area.

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                    • tbtadmin
                      Administrator
                      • Sep 2008
                      • 524

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Someguy
                      Zao I went to a Dr.Fienberg who was highly recommended by a hair stylist. I would be happy to get another consultation by others. Can you recommend anyone else? Here is his website.
                      http://www.hairmd .com/
                      Dr. Herbert Feinberg is a member of the IAHRS and is recommended by the AHLA, so if you are a candidate for surgery he's a doctor with a known track record.

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                      • Hairdude
                        Junior Member
                        • Apr 2009
                        • 14

                        #26
                        That is good that he is a member of this board. I went to his website, but all the pics are taken from far away, they are not close up. But since it is your crown area, it will just blend in since it will be surrounded by your current hair. It looks like he practices only HT or does atleast 80% HT, I don't know.
                        Also beware of celebrities, just because someone does a celebrity doesn't mean you will get the same results. There is a chain in FL who has a few celebrities endorsing them, they may have gotten good transplants, but it doesn't mean you will. They may pull a bait and switch on you.

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                        • Someguy
                          Junior Member
                          • Apr 2009
                          • 24

                          #27
                          Dr. Fielberg did say I have fine hair. So I wonder if this will make a difference.

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                          • Hairdude
                            Junior Member
                            • Apr 2009
                            • 14

                            #28
                            What does that have to do witht he transplant you will get? I suggest you look at the pics, especially close up pics, they are what determines the artistic quality of the surgeon. Pay attention to any bumps or scarring to the area where the hair has been implanted, that is a dead give away. Also check the BBB is he has any complaints things like that. Stay away from chains!! They have a high overhead. Always better to go to a surgeon who has is name on the door. Beware of any bait and switch, that is they show you pics of an undetectable tranplant and then do a crappy job on you.

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                            • Someguy
                              Junior Member
                              • Apr 2009
                              • 24

                              #29
                              Originally posted by Hairdude
                              What does that have to do witht he transplant you will get? I suggest you look at the pics, especially close up pics, they are what determines the artistic quality of the surgeon. Pay attention to any bumps or scarring to the area where the hair has been implanted, that is a dead give away. Also check the BBB is he has any complaints things like that. Stay away from chains!! They have a high overhead. Always better to go to a surgeon who has is name on the door. Beware of any bait and switch, that is they show you pics of an undetectable tranplant and then do a crappy job on you.
                              Thanks. I will ask him to see up and close photos when I see him this Friday. I will also ask if he has any references I can call.
                              I suppose I should get more Doctors to see. This HT would be at least 1 to 2 years away. I could not swing it right now.

                              I did start to take propecia and rogaine.

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                              • Hairdude
                                Junior Member
                                • Apr 2009
                                • 14

                                #30
                                Keep a tab on how much you spend on Propecia and Rogaine.

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