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  • alex82
    Member
    • Feb 2012
    • 59

    hopeful...

    Hello, thought it was about time I posted as a fairly long term reader of these boards...

    I started noticing the signs of the dreaded MPB when I was about 27-28 at I'd say NW1.5 - 2. Didn't seem too bad at the time as had very thick hair and easy to style etc.. Fast forward 2 years and now very noticibly thin at front and receeded with an obvious widows peak (uneven too ) Very sad as my hair is one of my only good features lol!

    Last year I started to seriously look into the options. Fin, niz minox lllt and alternatives. Found this site http://www.hairloss-research.org/ProtocolMen08.html quite interesting for its holistic approach to battling hairloss.

    Anyway, took the plunge in nov '11 and started Proscar (pfizer branded) at 1mg (cut into 5ths) and soon developed crippling sides in 1-2 months (poor erections, testicular pain, watery semen) athough these are par for the course with Fin I'm led to believe!

    Rather than stopping cold turkey I have reduced my dosage to approx 0.25mg (as best as I can measure) per day. I wouldn't say I'm 100% but much better regarding sides although still a bit worried

    In total my regimen based on various sources of advice is as follows:

    Fin 0.25mg each day (since Jan, 1mg previously since nov '11)
    Nizoral 1-2 times per week
    Emu oil and aloe each night before bed
    LLLT 11 Diode laser comb (home made!lol) 15mins 2-3 times a week
    Biotin 300ug each day (just started)
    Nettle root extract (pretty much ditched this now)

    I'm kinda fumbling in the dark like everyone else and sad to say that my only results so far are that I've lossed probably near 30% in sheds of what I had as baseline in the front and top when starting + recession is on way to NW3 now. I'm beginning to think based on everything I'm reading and that NOTHING works for top and front bar HT at this point but will continue at least until 6month stage.
  • NotBelievingIt
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2011
    • 594

    #2
    Join some of us on the Toco8 kick!

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    • 2020
      Senior Member
      • Jan 2012
      • 1513

      #3
      Originally posted by alex82
      I'm kinda fumbling in the dark like everyone else and sad to say that my only results so far are that I've lossed probably near 30% in sheds of what I had as baseline in the front and top when starting + recession is on way to NW3 now. I'm beginning to think based on everything I'm reading and that NOTHING works for top and front bar HT at this point but will continue at least until 6month stage.
      You have a good regimen and those sheds are a sign that your follicles are ready to start producing "better" hair. WAIT IT OUT. 6 months is a minimum. Results can show up after as much as one year. JUST WAIT IT OUT.

      In the meantime, don't be tempted to do a hair transplant as much much better treatments are right around the corner.
      Here is something to motivate you:


      RepliCel is a regenerative medicine company developing autologous cell therapies to treat conditions linked to a deficit of healthy cells required for normal healing and function.




      I'm sure one of them WILL have something by 2015.

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      • NotBelievingIt
        Senior Member
        • Oct 2011
        • 594

        #4
        Originally posted by alex82
        Anyway, took the plunge in nov '11 and started Proscar (pfizer branded) at 1mg (cut into 5ths) and soon developed crippling sides in 1-2 months (poor erections, testicular pain, watery semen) athough these are par for the course with Fin I'm led to believe!
        Nah, its not par for the course.

        More like back to back double bogeys by a pro golfer at the ProAm.

        It happens even to the best, but definitely not that often.

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        • alex82
          Member
          • Feb 2012
          • 59

          #5
          Originally posted by NotBelievingIt
          Nah, its not par for the course.

          More like back to back double bogeys by a pro golfer at the ProAm.

          It happens even to the best, but definitely not that often.

          Cheers heres hoping!

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          • alex82
            Member
            • Feb 2012
            • 59

            #6
            Originally posted by 2020
            You have a good regimen and those sheds are a sign that your follicles are ready to start producing "better" hair. WAIT IT OUT. 6 months is a minimum. Results can show up after as much as one year. JUST WAIT IT OUT.

            In the meantime, don't be tempted to do a hair transplant as much much better treatments are right around the corner.
            Here is something to motivate you:


            RepliCel is a regenerative medicine company developing autologous cell therapies to treat conditions linked to a deficit of healthy cells required for normal healing and function.




            I'm sure one of them WILL have something by 2015.

            Cheers for the encouragement! have read a lot about the new stem based treatments and was tempted to sign up for the clinical trial of replicel... Although surely if on fin they would not want you in

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            • 2020
              Senior Member
              • Jan 2012
              • 1513

              #7
              Originally posted by alex82
              Although surely if on fin they would not want you in
              you're on the Internet, you already do not qualify They don't want their subjects to post anything about their results on the Internet...

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              • alex82
                Member
                • Feb 2012
                • 59

                #8
                Originally posted by 2020
                you're on the Internet, you already do not qualify They don't want their subjects to post anything about their results on the Internet...
                Lol, yeah guess this would be the case

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                • Tracy C
                  Senior Member
                  • Sep 2011
                  • 3083

                  #9
                  Originally posted by alex82
                  I'm beginning to think based on everything I'm reading and that NOTHING works for top and front...
                  A couple of things...

                  Norwood 2 is just a mature male hair line. This is a natural and normal male trait. This is one of the physical characteristics that differ between males and females. I'm not sure if there is anything a male can do to prevent the mature male hair line from developing. Time will tell. If the hair in your hair line grows back 12 to 18 months from now we will know.

                  You have only been on the medicine for four months. It takes at least 12 full months before you will know if Finasteride is working for you. It takes longer before you will know how well it is working for you.

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                  • stratofortress
                    Senior Member
                    • Oct 2011
                    • 124

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Tracy C
                    A couple of things...

                    Norwood 2 is just a mature male hair line. This is a natural and normal male trait. This is one of the physical characteristics that differ between males and females. I'm not sure if there is anything a male can do to prevent the mature male hair line from developing. Time will tell. If the hair in your hair line grows back 12 to 18 months from now we will know.
                    That's true, but if he has frontal thinning, then that's not part of a mature hairline. From what the OP describes though, it sounds like he caught it early. If he can thicken things up at the front, a thick NW2 at 30 isn't bad at all.

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                    • Tracy C
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2011
                      • 3083

                      #11
                      Originally posted by stratofortress
                      If he can thicken things up at the front, a thick NW2 at 30 isn't bad at all.
                      I agree. I felt the OP needed to understand that it is very rare for a male to retain a norwood 1 hair line.

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                      • alex82
                        Member
                        • Feb 2012
                        • 59

                        #12
                        6 month update...

                        Thanks for the replys guys. Just to clarify, I was a nw2 when starting treatment and wanted to hold onto as much as possible on top.

                        Now a 6 months (almost) I'm sad to say that my hair is at an all time low

                        Have thinned considerably all over including the back and crown and lots of scalp showing through where once thick hair was 6 months ago. It feels so thin and wispy when running hand through
                        I'm starting to think that I fall into the unfortunate catergory of guys who seem to end up worse far after a year of fin. Judging by these boards this is not too uncommon Not to mention the loss of sex drive I'm experiencing too!

                        Interesting to note but I'm loosing a lot of thick healthy looking hair (not obviously minaturised) everytime I touch the top of my head.

                        I know Its normal to shed when starting fin but would have expected it to slow by now? Instead it seems to be accelerating. I'm also aware that this obviously down to genes at the end of the day and my mums father lost his hair around my age (nw 5 going by photos)

                        Realy upset at the moment. thinking of shaving it all of TBH

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                        • 2020
                          Senior Member
                          • Jan 2012
                          • 1513

                          #13
                          Originally posted by alex82
                          I'm starting to think that I fall into the unfortunate catergory of guys who seem to end up worse far after a year of fin. Judging by these boards this is not too uncommon Not to mention the loss of sex drive I'm experiencing too!
                          uhm fin WOULD NOT make your situation worse... if anything, your baldness is just that aggressive and fin is not able to do much.
                          I would continue taking fin anyways. This could all be part of a shed.

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                          • clandestine
                            Senior Member
                            • Aug 2011
                            • 2002

                            #14
                            You're seriously continuing fin after experiencing what you describe as 'crippling sides'? Interesting; the compromises we must make in order to retain what hair we have.

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                            • 2020
                              Senior Member
                              • Jan 2012
                              • 1513

                              #15
                              Originally posted by clandestine
                              You're seriously continuing fin after experiencing what you describe as 'crippling sides'? Interesting; the compromises we must make in order to retain what hair we have.
                              all he said was:

                              Not to mention the loss of sex drive I'm experiencing too!
                              big difference.

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