Do I have MPB or is it stress?

[Fruit59]

The stuff about omega fish oils is exactly the same as my situation. When I was being diagnosed she asked me are you or were you taking fish supplements and I had started this early 2011 and my hair loss started in March 2011. I was also eating quite a few eggs as i thought this was helping my hair but it clearly wasnt. I have been quite strict with my diet post diagnosis as obviosuly i want to do everything i possibly can to help me. The products definately work at clearing the dermatitis, I am just hoping that I achieve the re growth. At the moment having used the scalp pack 4 times now I can feel the back of my head the hair is much thicker than it was and feels alot better. Now, on top it does feel alot better but I am guessing it will take time to thicken up again, you cant just re grow hair overnight, but now when I look at my scalp it looks alot healthier and I am hoping my age (20) will hopefully be on my side. I can see other members of staff at work at a similar age to me and they have noticeable receding hairlines, now I dont know if this has always been the case, but now that I have experienced hair loss maybe I am just noticing it more but no one age 18, 19, 20 should be losing hair, its ridiculous this is meant to be our best years, I know you will have heard it all before on here but it has really affected me, I dont feel like going out at the moment, I always decline social meals/nights, all the things I used to enjoy so much, I feel has been taken away from me. Ohh well gonna stop ranting before I just get more depressed.
F59

[VictimOfDHT]

I've been living like a hermit for the past 15 years. I know that won't make you feel better, but just know there are a lot like you and me. Like I always say, life is cruel and to bring another soul into it is even more cruel.

[Fruit59]

I just cant believe there are people out there who dont care about their hair. When I spoke to my dad who is over 50 now and happily married for over 20 years, he is balding from the back and its thinned out on top, he said if there was treatment that cost 5k he would have it done, but he doesnt want surgical, pills etc. I think it affects alot more people than we know but nowhere near enough come up and speak about it. I think if we all did there might have been a cure out by now.

[UK_]

I just cant believe there are people out there who dont care about their hair. When I spoke to my dad who is over 50 now and happily married for over 20 years, he is balding from the back and its thinned out on top, he said if there was treatment that cost 5k he would have it done, but he doesnt want surgical, pills etc. I think it affects alot more people than we know but nowhere near enough come up and speak about it. I think if we all did there might have been a cure out by now.

yeah nobody talks about it - its the silent misery thats what it is! Men prefer to suffer in silence!

Im exactly like that, I mean ive NEVER told ANYONE that im bothered about my hair loss - even though I think about it more than anything else in my life... drives me crazy!

I've never met a bald guy that wouldn't pay above 50k for a cure - id pay anything, sell my house car, empty all my savings anything!

[ThinFast]

I personally try to play it down, but it absolutely bothers me. The thing is, I've tried everything out there and nothing has worked. I'm at the limits of the scientific world that is available for 2011. I am hopeful that my issue does have something to do excessive sebum.

Victim of DHT, I'm a bit confused as to how you don't buy the theory of hair follicles being clogged up by excessive sebum and oils, but do believe (I presume by your handle) in the theory that DHT essentially clogs follicles? There are a lot of theories out there, but I'll share 2 pics that may mean something, they may not. The first pic is of my scalp (left temple), the excessive oil is obvious. I shampoo'ed and conditioned my hair this morning, about 17 hours ago. The second picture is of my facial hair. The difference of my skin is undeniable. I am curious to see if there will be any difference in my scalp after I receive my scalp pack and shampoo from Donna.

[VictimOfDHT]

Because a lot of people have oily hair and never go bald. And conversely a lot of bald people dont have oily scalps. Because I've had oily hair all my life and only at a certain age did I start having thinning hair. Or, I'd go years without significant hair loss and then in a few months I'd lose a bunch of hair. The problem is deeper than oil or sebum. If it were only that (sebum...) I'd wash my hair 20 times a day. Sure, oily scalp might make things worse but I don't think it is the reason why we go bald.

[ThinFast]

Because a lot of people have oily hair and never go bald. And conversely a lot of bald people dont have oily scalps. Because I've had oily hair all my life and only at a certain age did I start having thinning hair. Or, I'd go years without significant hair loss and then in a few months I'd lose a bunch of hair. The problem is deeper than oil or sebum. If it were only that (sebum...) I'd wash my hair 20 times a day. Sure, oily scalp might make things worse but I don't think it is the reason why we go bald.

You can literally replace oily and sebum with DHT in your above statement and most people would say that theory holds true also. If you washed your hair 20 times/day, you'd still lose hair from all of the added stress of yanking and tugging on each follicle and shampooing doesn't necessarily clean up sebum below the skin's surface where the damage is being done by excessive sebum and/or DHT. Working on the same principle of over-shampoo'ing hair, I can tell you that I've taken 2mg/day of Avodart to limit DHT production and it didn't even slow my hair loss. I believe if you buy into one portion of the follicle clogging theory, you have to buy into the other.

[Serge808]

Hey at least he found some hope and that's wort a lot more than people think since now he can be less stressed and maybe for this person its all he needs since he tried many things with no luck. whatever ur doing THINFAST bro hope it helps lets keep our fingers crossed and see what happens in a couple months. peace and God bless.

[ThinFast]

Thanks Serge, once I get the items, I'll be sure to let everyone know how things are going. I'll be taking more scalp pics with my proscope to see if there is a change in the amount sebum that appears to be on my scalp.

Also, I don't want to get this off track but as someone who has tried nearly everything there is available today, I would not recommend high doses of fin/dut. My experience with taking high levels of avodart was something I could have done without as I suffered many side effects and I didn't even realize it when they were happening, or maybe I just rationalized it and said that hair was more important than the issues it was causing. One night out though with some friends and trying to pick up girls, I found myself less motivated and less confident. Not only was it affecting my libido, it was also making me doubt my sexual abilities if I would be able to get myself into a good situation with a girl. I realized right then, there's no point in having hair on my head to attract females if I can't get excited about the proposition of having sex and couldn't maintain an erection anyway, even if Megan Fox was sitting on my face.

[Fruit59]

Apple,

How are you getting on with your products? Is your hair feeling any better yet?

[appleguy]

Hi,

I saw Donna a few weeks ago.

I seem to be responding very well. I hadn't washed my hair in four days before I saw her and she was amazed my scalp was in as good a condition as it was considering that.
She said in the next 4-6 weeks i should start seeing a lot more regrowth, I am getting some scattered around everywhere but these are small Velus hairs I should get some Terminals coming through.
I still have shed days which is annoying they aren't anywhere near as bad as they used to be and they seem to be at the focal point of the SD about an inch and a half in diametre spot where one or two days a week I still get loss.

She told me that if I need to I can start taking the scalp pack at 9-10 day intervals but I want this nailed and gone so I'm sticking to seven days and yes I still get a bit of shed when putting that muck in.

My hair feels loads better, it was feeling think manky and lifeless like my entire scalp was dying and now apart from the loss it feels healthier and looks much better.

I also still don't know if the loss I was having is due to the SD and stress as I am much more stress free now but I guess this kind of loss can take a while to reverse. I'm not at the 12 week period yet which is hopefully when the shedding should start to settle down.

[Fruit59]

Ahh that sounds like good news then. I am due to see Donna tomorrow to see where I am. I am only at the 5 week point at the moment. I can still pull 1-2 hairs if i run my hands through my hair. The back has completely thickened up though and cant pull any hairs out from there but on top of my scalp I still think I have the SD.

[Fruit59]

Apple,

Saw Donna today she says there is only a little big of it on my scalp and its not like stuck to my scalp, she says overall my hair looks healthy again and is thick again on top. I am thinking that due to the hairloss I dont feel like my hair is back to what it was, and i am not sure I will ever feel like that due to this. I still feel my sides need to imrpove though. She told me I should use the scalp pack once every 10 days, however increase the shampooing to 5 times a week. Ill see how this goes, for now i am trying to grow my hair long which should hopefully conceal any receding I feel I have experienced. Just a quick question I feel as though I have lost hair along my hairline, has your loss been the same or has your loss only been on top ?

Thanks
Fruit

[PaulC]

Any good news?

Hi Appleguy and Fruit59,

I would be interested to hear of any updates that you two might be able to offer as I am one of those who may have a similar although not exactly the same condition and would benefit from knowing if you treatment has proved to be as effective as your initial enthusiasm.

Do you think that you actually suffered from Seborrheic Dermatitis or may you suffered just from an excess of Seborrheic oil?

And lastly, how about regrowth? Any good news?
Hope you can find a couple of minutes to reply.

[Fruit59]

"Do you think that you actually suffered from Seborrheic Dermatitis or may you suffered just from an excess of Seborrheic oil?"

Well either way its causing hairloss. As for regrowth my hair did thicken up but due to the clinic being out of the scalp pack and i am still awaiting a delivery of one i have noticed an excess shedding again. I am hoping this arrives in the next week. As i mentioned earlier on into this discussion I dont think I will ever feel my hair is back to normal having experienced hairloss.



Hi

Appleguy and Fruit59,

I would be interested to hear of any updates that you two might be able to offer as I am one of those who may have a similar although not exactly the same condition and would benefit from knowing if you treatment has proved to be as effective as your initial enthusiasm.

Do you think that you actually suffered from Seborrheic Dermatitis or may you suffered just from an excess of Seborrheic oil?

And lastly, how about regrowth? Any good news?
Hope you can find a couple of minutes to reply.