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  • DepressedByHairLoss
    Senior Member
    • Feb 2011
    • 854

    #16
    Yeah man, I really have the same sentiments as you do with regards to hair loss. It baffles me and pisses me off so much that we don't have any better options to regrow hair than Rogaine, Propecia, and hair transplants. One thing that you and I have in common is that we are willing to fight with all our being to get our hair back and we refuse to accept hair loss. I certainly will not go through life simply 'accepting it'. **** that! As I've said before, I really think I'm gonna have to go outside of the country for a solution to hair loss. I've been doing tons of research with regards to stem cells regrowing hair and I've found that several clinics outside of the U.S. (in Tijuana, Mexico and China) use umbilical cord blood derived stem cells in an attempt to regrow hair. These kinds of stem cells are used in the U.S. to treat other illnesses, but of course they're not used to treat hair loss here. Instead, we're stuck with chickenshit Rogaine and Propecia. Also, other places around the world are using autologous adult stem cells (from either fat tissue or bone marrow) to treat hair loss, yet here we're stuck with friggin hair surgery and wigs. There are even 3 stem clinics in the U.S. that offer these autologous stem cell treatments, yet they're performed by 'naturopaths' as opposed to regular doctors so that leaves me a bit skeptical. Why can't doctors here in the U.S. perform these stem cell therapies? I guess they're too attached to their beloved hair transplants.
    I live in NY and I've already been in contact with Dr. Hitzig's office about the Acell/PRP treatments. Except the hair growth results with this on his website are so very minimal. Hopefully he's added or expanded his technique so that it will result in more hair growth. I mean, I don't think he'd bring it all the way over to the UK just to show minimal results. But then again, Rogaine and Propecia don't do dickshit and they're making billions. What a world we live in.
    Yeah, I'm gonna continue taking Propecia cus that's all we've got, but I'm not even bothering with Rogaine (didn't do a damn thing for me). But this isn't gonna be the only weapon in my arsenal. I'm really gonna seek out some of these stem cell treatments cus there's really gotta be something better out there than Rogaine, Propecia, or a ****in hair transplant.

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    • VictimOfDHT
      Senior Member
      • Apr 2011
      • 747

      #17
      Well, the reason why doctors are so stuck on the HT shit is because there's more money in it. A whole lotta money to be made. Most people who do HTs are hooked and they're back to do a second, third and even more. Each time it costs a few $ 1000. The average guy pays somewhere around $20000 and even more. However, a one shot treatment -IF IT EVER COMES OUT- would be a bargain even if it cost a few thousand dollars. Of course way more men would choose to go for such treatment but HT doctors won't get a cut of that money because they won't be needed anyway for such treatment, which means they'd be out of business.

      Yes, I am willing to do anything in my fight for this ****ing curse, but I don't think there's much available right now. I've done all three things - Minox, Fin/Dut and HT but it seems god hates me so much that even the HTs aren't gonna work for me. So I don't know what else is left. I DO believe there are treatments available for some illnesses in other countries that are NOT available in the US or canada but I don't think there is anything for hair loss. If there were, it wouldn't be a problem any more. ****, even China hasn't been able to do anything so far. What the **** ? It is possible these days to change sexes and even grow facial hair on women but they still cant do shit for head hair.

      I am really in a desperate situation right now. I ask god to take my ****ing life before he makes me bald. I don't think I'll EVER be able to live with this shitty disfigurement, unless I live in a cave somewhere and never have to look in a mirror ever again.

      I just HOPE that Histogen or whatever other companies trying to do something for hair loss sufferers come out with their shit soon or, god just takes my life.

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      • DepressedByHairLoss
        Senior Member
        • Feb 2011
        • 854

        #18
        I know man, and that's what I can't stand about these ****in hair transplants. If you want somewhere close to a full head of hair, you've got to have at least a few sessions done with something like 10,000 grafts total. If there was some kind of hair multiplication procedure that cost as much as these hair transplants, I'd do it in a second. However, I'm not gonna pay that kind of money for a procedure that leaves permanent scarring, doesn't create any new hair, and isn't even nearly 100% effective. These doctors have spent years though performing these hair transplants and therefore have lots of experience performing them. So it wouldn't be in their best interest financially or medically to start looking for other hair loss cures. If they're making a ton of money doing these hair transplants, then why would they **** with good enough and try something else?
        And really man, they can actually perform sex change operations but they can't find a way to grow hair??!!! What a ****in joke!! I mean, that's just unbelievable!! I mean, they can change some one's entire gender yet they can't find a way to grow hair!! That's just unbelievable to me and provides just more proof that there's a lot of fishy stuff going on in the pharmaceutical industry and big business. It wouldn't be a stretch to say that some one who wants to change genders probably has some really unresolved issues going on, and I'd bet most people would consider a sex change to be unethical (I'm not even sure they can perform this in the U.S. due to ethics issues). Yet, all people like you and me want to do is grow our hair back; there's nothing unethical or immoral about that!!
        I feel your pain too man, I'm in a desperate situation myself. I too have at times thought that a life without hair is not worth living. That's all I pray to God about. I say: "I don't ask for anything else, all I want is a way to grow my hair back". I don't think that is too much to ask. And what really kills me about this disease is that there is really nothing that we personally can do about it. I mean, if some one is fat, they can exercise and lose weight. If some one is skinny, they can lift weights and put on muscle. Hell, there are even people like Dennis Byrd who have had spinal cord injuries yet have still gotten up, walked again, and are now living normal lives. Yet there is no effective way to grow hair. Again, unbelievable.
        I'm really going to look into this umbilical cord blood derived stem cell thing to regrow hair. If you google 'Han Hoon umbilical cord hair loss', you'll see that this Korean doctor performed a study where these umbilical cord blood derived stem cells were injected into a patient's scalp. Apparently these stem cells are very powerful and outstanding hair growth results were seen. But in this day and age, in supposedly the world's most technologically advanced nation, we're still dicking around with Rogaine and Propecia. Again, just totally unbelievable and downright unacceptable.

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        • VictimOfDHT
          Senior Member
          • Apr 2011
          • 747

          #19
          Well, like I already said, there's hardly any research being done on this hair loss curse. It's like they don't care about it. Had there been any serious interest to study this problem 40 or 50 years ago I'm almost sure we would've found a solution long time ago. But no, they're too busy doing breast cancer research because you know, there are no other problems more important. The thing is they haven't been able to do a jack shit about cancer either despite all the billions they're taking.


          Yeah I've done the "praying" thing too for years and years but I wasn't expecting miracles and I didn't wait for them to happen. So I went out and went through hell to get those HTs and spent thousands of dollars that took me years to make and again prayed to god to at least make everything go right. Well, I guess I was asking too much.


          I don't know what else to do. Now I'm virtually living on these hair loss sites waiting and hoping that one of these companies will surprise us with a treatment. But I know this wait is going to be a long one. Maybe even a very long one. But if a treatment is ever made anywhere on this planet I'll be on a plane the next day to wherever the hell it is, well, as long as it is affordable, which is another concern I have. We don't want to wait for years and then be told it's going to cost 50,000 dollars to get your hair back.

          So, I guess for now we're just gonna continue to suffer and live in this misery for god knows how long. Like I always say, life is cruel. Life isn't fair.

          BTW, as far as I know, sex change operations are available in the US.

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          • DepressedByHairLoss
            Senior Member
            • Feb 2011
            • 854

            #20
            For one thing, I'm glad there is a website like this where I can vent all of my anger and frustration with this disease. It creates awareness that baldness is a disease and not some little condition that people feel comfortable to laugh about. But what we really need is a concerted effort to find a cure for this disease. As I've said before and I'll say it again, it just baffles my mind that we don't have anything better than Rogaine, Propecia, and hair transplants to combat this God-awful disease. I dunno, I just can't accept that a cure will be a long time coming; it's just too much for me to live with. Man, I'm a rock n roll lover and guitar player and I used to love to have hair like the guys in my favorite bands like Kiss and Motley Crue. This dream has been taken away from me and I don't think I'll ever be the same. I've really got no other choice but to look at other options. Like I said before, there are a few places in the U.S. that perform a treatment where they extract bone marrow stem cells and inject them into the bald/balding areas of your scalp to hopefully replace the damaged stem cells and promote hair regrowth. Except these procedures are performed by three 'naturopaths'. I also came across the Sparsh Clinic (http://www.sparshclinic.com/sparshpage.asp?id=22) which shows some amazing hair regrowth results. Not sure I believe it though. I just cannot sit back and accept this shit any longer. If there don't appear to be any options than the FDA-approved shit, then I'm just gonna have to go out and find some.
            And one last thing that came to my mind. I just can't stand it when people like Larry David and that George Costanza character from Seinfeld constantly joke about baldness. I think it does a real disservice, portraying baldness as some comical condition rather than a miserable disease. Maybe they're all happy and content that they look like shit and just don't care.

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            • VictimOfDHT
              Senior Member
              • Apr 2011
              • 747

              #21
              I know it's a good thing that we have sites to talk about our suffering and miseries because of hair loss but Unfortunately, at the end of the day you look in the mirror and you're hit with the brutal reality for the trillionth time - you're still losing your hair and...THERE IS NOT A DAMN THING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT. I hate that feeling like nothing else. Many many years ago I used to think if I do go bald there's always HT. That was my only comfort and reassurance against this ****ing curse. But now...I have shit.

              Those clinics you talk about, if they really had a good HL treatment, how come no body's ever heard about them? That's what makes me suspecious about people like these. If they really had something they'd be all over the news and the whole world wouldn've heard about them. A hair loss treatment if it's ever found would be BIG BIG news.

              Like I said, if there is ever a place anywhere in the world that has a good treatment I'm walking there .

              Yeah. I hate it too when people make fun of bald guys. I don't know who the mother ****er was who thought it was funny. But here's what I don't get, man losing his hair is funny and every body tries to say something about his hair loss thinking they're being funny. However, a woman losing her hair is seen as a tragic thing and god forbids someone says something about it. The bias is just sickening.

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              • DepressedByHairLoss
                Senior Member
                • Feb 2011
                • 854

                #22
                Yeah, it really is frustrating as hell that there is no cure for this crap. I just hate this shit so much that I know I've got to do something; I just can't live with it. I'm very skeptical about this Sparsh Clinic too, but I've heard that in India they're doing experimental stem cell treatments for other diseases that they won't do here in the U.S. If there was actually a well-publicized widespread cure for hair loss, the media would be all over it; but if a treatment comes from a more obscure source, then I'm not sure that they would be. TRX2 made some bold claims about curing hair loss yet most of the media didn't pay any attention. Same with QR-678. I don't think TRX2 does a damn thing but QR-678 might. Recoverup made some bold claims when they said that injecting stem cells from adipose tissue would regrow hair yet the media really didn't cover it. If the cure came from the U.S. or the UK and not some third world country, the media would definitely cover it. But if it comes from an obscure place, they might not. Instead the media has a friggin orgasm when 'researchers' grow hair on a mouse for the 1,000th time and supposedly gain 'insight', 'clues', and 'alternate interpretations' that 'may', 'could', or 'might' lead to a treatment for hair loss 'someday'. I am skeptical of a lot of these third world treatments but I think we're more likely to get a successful treatment sooner over there than in the U.S. since they don't have the FDA in their faces and up their asses.
                All I know is that I've got to do something cus I can't take this shit any longer. It ****in pisses me off so much. I've got a meeting with a doctor tomorrow and I'm gonna seriously consider that bone marrow stem cell thing. I just can't 'accept' this. And you're right, about baldness being joked about for men, yet tragic for women. Society and life is so ****ed up that it sometimes makes me wonder if life is even worth living.

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                • VictimOfDHT
                  Senior Member
                  • Apr 2011
                  • 747

                  #23
                  I don't know what we can do with this shit. It seems hair loss isn't something that medical research/researchers and the public give a shit about. I think mostly because it has to do with men. If it were women who had the same degree of hair loss I guarantee you it would be mandatory on all states to have research labs dedicated just to this problem. But because it's a man's problem who gives a **** ? Men's suffering has never been a concern, you know. If you're a man and balding and feel like shit about it, the majority of people tell you "you're a man" and you shouldn't worry about it ! They actually think there's something wrong with you if you feel depressed about it. But somehow, if it is a woman who's losing her hair she'll get all kind of sympathy from people. I don't get it. Who decides this shit ?? Who decides a man shouldn't care about his hair ??????????? Yeah man, society IS ****ed up, BIG time. I've always said that.

                  The other thing, I still can't shake the thought that special interest groups ARE pressing the FDA crooks NOT to allow any real solution to be found.

                  I don't believe there's anything we can do right now, well, beside what we already have. This bone marrow stuff isn't there. It's probably all talk as usual. Like I said, if there were any real treatment for hair loss out there even the dead would've heard about it.

                  The helplessness and despair I feel is unimaginable. I'm sure you feel the same way.
                  I personally think life is ****ing shit and it ISNT worth living. Too ****ing bad suicide isn't an option. I don't believe in this 2012 crap they keep talking about but I sure do hope some asteroid or whatever shit out there hits this god damn planet and puts us all out of our misery.

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                  • DepressedByHairLoss
                    Senior Member
                    • Feb 2011
                    • 854

                    #24
                    Hey man, I totally feel where you're coming from. There really aren't any effective solutions out there. I see so many people using these products that are such SHIT, just grasping at any hope that something will work. I see posts about Emu Oil, Green Tea, Saw Palmetto, Cayenne Peppers, and TRX2, just utter shit that isn't going to work at all. This really shows what kind of shit options we have out there. But I really have no choice but to seek out some stem cell treatments. Sitting around and just 'accepting it' is not an option for me. I'm not going to live life hating the way that I look in the mirror and I'm not gonnna dick around with ineffective crap like Rogaine and Propecia. And the more I see and read about hair transplants, the more I dislike about it. I mean, I just think that there are so many faults with that procedure. It's just absolutely inexcusable that we don't have better options out there.
                    And you're right, if women were suffering from this condition, it would absolutely be viewed differently. Women today have the world by the balls, man. All they do is bat their pretty little eyes and pucker their lips, and guys melt at their every whim. Yet we have pieces of shit like Larry David who love to make fun of and marginalize our condition. I'd love to take that guy's librarian bifocals and shove them up his ass.
                    I've said it before and I'll say it again: it is just so inexcusable and unbelievable that we don't have more people/companies working to cure this disease. It absolutely makes me sick. And I agree, most times I don't believe that life is worth living. Most days I wish that I would fall asleep and never wake up, as opposed to having to get up and face the day with this horrible disease.

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                    • UK_
                      Senior Member
                      • Feb 2011
                      • 2691

                      #25
                      Originally posted by DepressedByHairLoss
                      Hey man, I totally feel where you're coming from. There really aren't any effective solutions out there. I see so many people using these products that are such SHIT, just grasping at any hope that something will work. I see posts about Emu Oil, Green Tea, Saw Palmetto, Cayenne Peppers, and TRX2, just utter shit that isn't going to work at all. This really shows what kind of shit options we have out there. But I really have no choice but to seek out some stem cell treatments. Sitting around and just 'accepting it' is not an option for me. I'm not going to live life hating the way that I look in the mirror and I'm not gonnna dick around with ineffective crap like Rogaine and Propecia. And the more I see and read about hair transplants, the more I dislike about it. I mean, I just think that there are so many faults with that procedure. It's just absolutely inexcusable that we don't have better options out there.
                      And you're right, if women were suffering from this condition, it would absolutely be viewed differently. Women today have the world by the balls, man. All they do is bat their pretty little eyes and pucker their lips, and guys melt at their every whim. Yet we have pieces of shit like Larry David who love to make fun of and marginalize our condition. I'd love to take that guy's librarian bifocals and shove them up his ass.
                      I've said it before and I'll say it again: it is just so inexcusable and unbelievable that we don't have more people/companies working to cure this disease. It absolutely makes me sick. And I agree, most times I don't believe that life is worth living. Most days I wish that I would fall asleep and never wake up, as opposed to having to get up and face the day with this horrible disease.
                      Amen to that - we really dont have any type of realistic treatment. What a crock industry.

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