I am balding ,please advise what to do

[Aik82]

Hello Artista, got my prescription for propecia. Starting next week with a low dosage. how long will it take to work? will improve my hair density and hair count?

Thank you for being here for us. I am going through a hard time..

[Herbaliser]

"So you did not bother to read the links provided regarding prescribing"

I had already done my lengthy IMPORTANT research on the use of Finasteride, its history and its FACTUAL data concerning its responses when men are prescribed this medicine,the improvement/non-improvement percentages ,the percentages of possible side effects, the types of possible sides' the usages ,ext.-ext.
There is no need for me to once again go through more links here when I already KNOW about its history and its UPDATES.
My regular doctor of over 20 years together, is a GOOD man and highly intelligent in the field of Medical realities and TRUTHS.
He would NEVER prescribe a medicine that would more than likely cause BAD SIDE EFFECTS to any of his patients!!

Now, there are a good portion of members, especially the YOUNG men, that I had spoken to and tried to help with common-sense advice in which I NEVER brought up using Finasteride.
The members that should possibly use Finasteride, I advised first and foremost, to SEE THEIR DOCTORS about its POSSIBLE use.

Herbaliser, this is what you said yesterday to me,,,
"You never asked about my age,..."

I did ask you for your age
here is what I asked you during our first conversation together on 10/10:
"Hello Herbaliser ,
First off,
Please do not intend to try to insult or attack anyone here.
There's no reason to do that.
Who knows, you could possibly be
Somebody in that very small percentage that has experienced bad side effects.
No one knows.
First off Herb' please be forthright and honest when I ask you just how old are you right now? ..."
Why would you state that i did not ask for your age??
Why have you NOT honestly shared your age now??

(Djodjo123, Aik82-I hope you two are OK. )

Are you reading what i´m posting at all, and why are you so curious about my age?
Should i mention you the third time that lets say "google", is an option to make their own conclusion about taking this drug, without insulting you?
You always also mention experience, and how long you and others has been on this forum, so what can your experience help others?
Take the pill like any other multi vitamin pill, since the stress thinking otherwise will probably give sides?
Like i mentioned i just advised you to cool it down a little, since the drug can give major sides.
And still my sister in law is a REAL doctor, and would never ever prescribe it for hair loss: https://www.quora.com/What-kind-of-d...air-loss-drugs

No offence to the docs in this forum because it´s there job to make people feel better, and some of them makes it really clear what the risks are.
So my age at last it´s 38.

[Artista]

"So you did not bother to read the links provided regarding prescribing"

I had already done my lengthy IMPORTANT research on the use of Finasteride, its history and its FACTUAL data concerning its responses when men are prescribed this medicine,the improvement/non-improvement percentages ,the percentages of possible side effects, the types of possible sides' the usages ,ext.-ext.
There is no need for me to once again go through more links here when I already KNOW about its history and its UPDATES.
My regular doctor of over 20 years together, is a GOOD man and highly intelligent in the field of Medical realities and TRUTHS.
He would NEVER prescribe a medicine that would more than likely cause BAD SIDE EFFECTS to any of his patients!!

Now, there are a good portion of members, especially the YOUNG men, that I had spoken to and tried to help with common-sense advice in which I NEVER brought up using Finasteride.
The members that should possibly use Finasteride, I advised first and foremost, to SEE THEIR DOCTORS about its POSSIBLE use.

Herbaliser, this is what you said yesterday to me,,,
"You never asked about my age,..."

I did ask you for your age
here is what I asked you during our first conversation together on 10/10:
"Hello Herbaliser ,
First off,
Please do not intend to try to insult or attack anyone here.
There's no reason to do that.
Who knows, you could possibly be
Somebody in that very small percentage that has experienced bad side effects.
No one knows.
First off Herb' please be forthright and honest when I ask you just how old are you right now? ..."
Why would you state that i did not ask for your age??
Why have you NOT honestly shared your age now??

(Djodjo123, Aik82-I hope you two are OK. )

[Herbaliser]

Hello there Djodjo123 , I hope you are doing OK.
I/we have not heard from you in a while.

Please do not allow other comments here on your thread to make you worried or stressed out.
Make sure that you see your doctor and consider whatever your doctor is advising to you.
No matter what it is.
Hey there, Aik82-hi!
I hope that you are staying positive too.
I was glad to have read your responses....since Herbaliser made his comments here ,We have not hear from either of you two.

Hair-loss can be such an OVER-EMOTIONAL issue for many people, especially if you hear somebody speak with negativity. Especially for the young people.
Again ,acceptance is KEY to living ones like with happiness.

Djodjo123, Im sorry but I will respond to what Herbaliser
has said here.
I will never attack anyone here. I speak with objectivity and common-sense.
I hope you respond soon Djodjo' .....

Herbaliser, to respond to the things that you said, and again, you should never attack or insult anybody here. Have CALM discussions and consider other points of view.


Your words Herbaliser~

“I´m not attacking but you should be more careful with your almost non side propaganda about Fin”.
Herbaliser ,
Your basically stating that I am being biased or misleading in order to promote a particular medicine, Finasteride.
That certainly IS an ‘attack’. I am not concerned about it and I do not take it personally but you need to be much more respectful and to not make ASSUMPTIONS.


Yours words~
“You should research more about the drug before you claims, and figure out how the industry works”
Herbaliser,
you are making an ASSUMPTION once again that I had not researched or figured out about its industry.
The FACT is that I have done so much more research on the medication than you would know.

Your words~
“Your friendly doctor gets paid for every fin prescription he writes, and in one of your other posts you said non sides”
First of all, I have been a patient of that Doctor of mine for approx. 20+ years.
If he were not as good as I know he is,,I would have changed doctors long ago.
That particular Doctor is objective, impartial and quite GOOD at taking care of his patients.
For all of those years he and I had never spoken about hair-loss treatments. In fact, we had never spoken about my hair-loss until 2013 when I ASKED him about it and if he was aware of Finasteride.
I had no idea that he was already prescribing it to other patients of his.
I asked him about the possibilities of bad side effects from its usage back in 2013.
He told me of the important medical studies that he DID DO on Finasteride before he would EVER prescribe it to any of his patients.
He does NOT WANT bad sides to happen to his patients.
Now, I NEVER said that I did not have side effects from it. I DID SAY quite a few times that I NEVER have had BAD sides’ from Finasteride usage…Never!
That is my PERSONAL experience with it. My doctors other patients using Fin’ have also NOT had BAD sides’ from it. Why would an objective and smart doctor lie? He certainly isnt lying.

Your words~
“My sister-in-law is a doctor and she knows how the drug works, and she would never prescribe it for hair loss since its origin purpose is for a different purpose, as you probably know”

Of course I DO know about its history and its original reason for being available in its beginnings.
As I have said, I have done my research on this.
Now I do not know if you are being truthful about your sister-in-law or not..that doesn't matter.
The facts are the facts when speaking about Finasteride..

Your words~
“So my advice for you is don´t glorify the drug, since many listen to your kind words but keep it down, since the drug has literately destroyed peoples everyday life, and the fact is it can suddenly happen after many ears of usage”

Herbaliser, I have never glorified Finasteride. Why would you say that
if you have seen all that I have said here on the forum before??
I HAVE shared my personal experience with it only to those guys out there that do have serious to
semi-serious hair-loss and that want to possibly try it.
I never say,,’go and buy it’
I ALWAYS say…’See your doctor about it ’

Now one more thing~~~

J_B_Davis is quite CORRECT in his response here~~
“If your sister is really a doctor you would not post this blatant false information!
Doctors do not get paid to write prescriptions. I'm sure drug reps buy the staff lunches and maybe some of the
well-known doctors get some perks from drug companies to speak about the drug at conferences and such, but that's just business as usual for all drug companies. Doctors do not make any money for prescribing drugs. That is a complete false statement.”

J B Davis has been on this forum since 12-02-2008.
You, Herbaliser, have only been on here as a member since April 2015.

I had asked you to be honest in letting me know just how old you really are, and you never responded.
I will ask again, What is your age? PLEASE be HONEST. There is no reason not to be honest here.
Also, what type of hair-loss do you have, if any?

So you did not bother to read the links provided regarding prescribing.
I´m not being aggressive just honest, and realistic that seems to be a major issue.
Still yeas my sister in law is a doctor, and would never prescribe the drug for hair loss since the drug itself is made for other purposes.

I suggested you when people ask for expertise help, to make them understand that side effects can definitely occur, instead of minimizing it to almost non risk drugs, and keep in mind all the representative docs here so it´s hardly not a non biased forum.
You never asked about my age, and regarding my hair loss you did not bother to look at https://www.baldtruthtalk.com/thread...emedies/page16 for example.

Only put the pictures because you asked if i had hair loss, and yeas i had MBP as it´s called, and for genetics reasons also but that docent mean it´s not treatable.
We have different approaches, but my suggestion was to inform people to do their own non biased research regarding side effects.

[Artista]

Hello there Djodjo123 , I hope you are doing OK.
I/we have not heard from you in a while.

Please do not allow other comments here on your thread to make you worried or stressed out.
Make sure that you see your doctor and consider whatever your doctor is advising to you.
No matter what it is.
Hey there, Aik82-hi!
I hope that you are staying positive too.
I was glad to have read your responses....since Herbaliser made his comments here ,We have not hear from either of you two.

Hair-loss can be such an OVER-EMOTIONAL issue for many people, especially if you hear somebody speak with negativity. Especially for the young people.
Again ,acceptance is KEY to living ones like with happiness.

Djodjo123, Im sorry but I will respond to what Herbaliser
has said here.
I will never attack anyone here. I speak with objectivity and common-sense.
I hope you respond soon Djodjo' .....

Herbaliser, to respond to the things that you said, and again, you should never attack or insult anybody here. Have CALM discussions and consider other points of view.


Your words Herbaliser~

“I´m not attacking but you should be more careful with your almost non side propaganda about Fin”.
Herbaliser ,
Your basically stating that I am being biased or misleading in order to promote a particular medicine, Finasteride.
That certainly IS an ‘attack’. I am not concerned about it and I do not take it personally but you need to be much more respectful and to not make ASSUMPTIONS.


Yours words~
“You should research more about the drug before you claims, and figure out how the industry works”
Herbaliser,
you are making an ASSUMPTION once again that I had not researched or figured out about its industry.
The FACT is that I have done so much more research on the medication than you would know.

Your words~
“Your friendly doctor gets paid for every fin prescription he writes, and in one of your other posts you said non sides”
First of all, I have been a patient of that Doctor of mine for approx. 20+ years.
If he were not as good as I know he is,,I would have changed doctors long ago.
That particular Doctor is objective, impartial and quite GOOD at taking care of his patients.
For all of those years he and I had never spoken about hair-loss treatments. In fact, we had never spoken about my hair-loss until 2013 when I ASKED him about it and if he was aware of Finasteride.
I had no idea that he was already prescribing it to other patients of his.
I asked him about the possibilities of bad side effects from its usage back in 2013.
He told me of the important medical studies that he DID DO on Finasteride before he would EVER prescribe it to any of his patients.
He does NOT WANT bad sides to happen to his patients.
Now, I NEVER said that I did not have side effects from it. I DID SAY quite a few times that I NEVER have had BAD sides’ from Finasteride usage…Never!
That is my PERSONAL experience with it. My doctors other patients using Fin’ have also NOT had BAD sides’ from it. Why would an objective and smart doctor lie? He certainly isnt lying.

Your words~
“My sister-in-law is a doctor and she knows how the drug works, and she would never prescribe it for hair loss since its origin purpose is for a different purpose, as you probably know”

Of course I DO know about its history and its original reason for being available in its beginnings.
As I have said, I have done my research on this.
Now I do not know if you are being truthful about your sister-in-law or not..that doesn't matter.
The facts are the facts when speaking about Finasteride..

Your words~
“So my advice for you is don´t glorify the drug, since many listen to your kind words but keep it down, since the drug has literately destroyed peoples everyday life, and the fact is it can suddenly happen after many ears of usage”

Herbaliser, I have never glorified Finasteride. Why would you say that
if you have seen all that I have said here on the forum before??
I HAVE shared my personal experience with it only to those guys out there that do have serious to
semi-serious hair-loss and that want to possibly try it.
I never say,,’go and buy it’
I ALWAYS say…’See your doctor about it ’

Now one more thing~~~

J_B_Davis is quite CORRECT in his response here~~
“If your sister is really a doctor you would not post this blatant false information!
Doctors do not get paid to write prescriptions. I'm sure drug reps buy the staff lunches and maybe some of the
well-known doctors get some perks from drug companies to speak about the drug at conferences and such, but that's just business as usual for all drug companies. Doctors do not make any money for prescribing drugs. That is a complete false statement.”

J B Davis has been on this forum since 12-02-2008.
You, Herbaliser, have only been on here as a member since April 2015.

I had asked you to be honest in letting me know just how old you really are, and you never responded.
I will ask again, What is your age? PLEASE be HONEST. There is no reason not to be honest here.
Also, what type of hair-loss do you have, if any?

[Herbaliser]

Don´t you think she knows how it works, but some thinks about their patients well being.
Why is some doctors prescribing fin without hesitation and others refuse?
As i understand from this forum they are stupid, and docent have knowledge at all about hair loss when they don´t prescribe.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnlama...riate-is-this/

And reality:

https://www.freespeech.org/text/big-pharma-and-medical-device-manufacturers-pay-billions-doctors-prescribe-their-drugs

[Herbaliser]

If your sister is really a doctor you would not post this blatant false information! Doctors do not get paid to write prescriptions. I'm sure drug reps buy the staff lunches and maybe some of the well known doctors get some perks from drug companies to speak about the drug at conferences and such, but that's just business as usual for all drug companies. Doctors do not make any money for prescribing drugs. That is a complete false statement.

Don´t you think she knows how it works, but some thinks about their patients well being.
Why is some doctors prescribing fin without hesitation and others refuse?
As i understand from this forum they are stupid, and docent have knowledge at all about hair loss when they don´t prescribe.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnlamattina/2015/07/01/big-pharma-continues-to-funnel-billions-to-doctors-how-inappropriate-is-this/

[J_B_Davis]

Hi Artista,
Your friendly doctor gets paid for every fin prescription he writes,

If your sister is really a doctor you would not post this blatant false information! Doctors do not get paid to write prescriptions. I'm sure drug reps buy the staff lunches and maybe some of the well known doctors get some perks from drug companies to speak about the drug at conferences and such, but that's just business as usual for all drug companies. Doctors do not make any money for prescribing drugs. That is a complete false statement.

[Herbaliser]

Hello Herbaliser ,
First off,
Please do not intend to try to insult or attack anyone here.
There's no reason to do that.
Who knows, you could possibly be
Somebody in that very small percentage that has experienced bad side effects.
No one knows.
First off Herb' please be forthright and honest when I ask you just how old are you right now?
Please answer that question
No I will say like I've said before
I have experienced a side effect from the use of Finasteride- it's my seminal fluid known as semen that has become lesser than before but, as I understand it, my sperm count is the same.
Also my sexual relationship with my wife has not changed at all!
I have not experienced anything bad.
My doctor objectively tells me all his other patients who have also not experienced bad side effects.
The hair improvements vary from one patient to the other of course!
If you think I'm trying to promote Finasteride, you would be mistaken, but you can believe whatever you want, just don't be insulting here there's no reason for that.
Everybody else here, review how I would talk about these things and review the way Herb' talks about things.
This is not an attack on my part this is called Objectivity. Look that word up

Hi Artista,

I´m not attacking but you should be more careful with your almost non side propaganda about Fin.
You should research more about the drug before you claims, and figure out how the industry works.
Your friendly doctor gets paid for every fin prescription he writes, and in one of your other posts you said non sides.

My sister-in-law is a doctor and she knows how the drug works, and she would never prescribe it for hair loss since it´s origin purpose is for a different purpose, as you probably know.
So my advice for you is don´t glorify the drug, since many listen to your kind words but keep it down, since the drug has literately destroyed peoples every day life, and the fact is it can suddenly happen after many ears of usage.

The trials where vague but deep inside you know why FDA approved it.

[Occulus]

You're losing your hair. You have significant recession at both temples. That is not a maturing hairline - it is hairloss. Your crown looks ok, but it's hard to tell. If you want to keep your hair, you need to get on finasteride, rogaine, and nizoral immediately. The earlier you catch it, the more hair you keep, and the better your chances of reversing the loss when/if there is ever better options in the future. If it matters to you, don't hesitate or try to convince yourself that it's just a mature hairline, bad haircut, bad lighting, etc.

[Artista]

Hey there Djodjo123,

How are YOU doing bro??
I hope you are ok and that you are still considering the realities of life for all of us.
First and foremost, you must be accepting of your situation for 'today'!
Positive thoughts WILL help you the MOST of ALL!
I hope to hear from you soon my friend. Be well.. Cheers

[Artista]

Hello Herbaliser ,
First off,
Please do not intend to try to insult or attack anyone here.
There's no reason to do that.
Who knows, you could possibly be
Somebody in that very small percentage that has experienced bad side effects.
No one knows.
First off Herb' please be forthright and honest when I ask you just how old are you right now?
Please answer that question
No I will say like I've said before
I have experienced a side effect from the use of Finasteride- it's my seminal fluid known as semen that has become lesser than before but, as I understand it, my sperm count is the same.
Also my sexual relationship with my wife has not changed at all!
I have not experienced anything bad.
My doctor objectively tells me all his other patients who have also not experienced bad side effects.
The hair improvements vary from one patient to the other of course!
If you think I'm trying to promote Finasteride, you would be mistaken, but you can believe whatever you want, just don't be insulting here there's no reason for that.
Everybody else here, review how I would talk about these things and review the way Herb' talks about things.
This is not an attack on my part this is called Objectivity. Look that word up

[Herbaliser]

Hi Aik82!
Your posts are not silly bro! Its understandable and it is great that you are trying now to 'get over it'.
You must get over it my friend...that can only HELP YOU by doing so.

Rogaine/Minoxidil is another good topical hairloss treatment-give it a try too.
Ive thought about using Minoxidil along with my use of the
medicine Finasteride and the multi-vitamin-Biotin.

I just might do that soon.
Your words-"I will focus on staying positive, even though it is quite hard atm."
Is a very good and SMART thing to consider bro.
Once you are sincerely POSITIVE about living your life, you will be happy regardless of how much hairloss you have.
Treatments WILL help your hair, to what extend ,no one knows just yet but it will help!!
Your words-"I read so much about the sides that freaked me out."

Finasteride is like all other medicines in life that people have to take.
There is a very very small percentage of people who could possibly experience bad sides' from its usage
just like all other medicines in life !
When a large % of people have to take other types of prescribed medicines they dont really know about the possibilities of bad side effects.
They take it to improve there health for what ever reason.
The Fin' medicine for hairloss is looked at differently
because men with hairloss are ALREADY STRESSED out due to their loss and so over-emotions will make a person worry for no real reason.
As I said, Finasteride is just like all those other prescribed meds that are available.
No worries my friend.
If your doctor does prescribe you Fin' do not become worried over it, more than likely you will NOT experience bad sides' from it.
If you worry, stress WILL hurt your hair.
Cheers..

Why do you mention almost non sides all the time? because you have it yourself.
Makes seance by your posts alone now, so stop your nonsense or do i have to prove you otherwise?

[Artista]

Hi Aik82!
Your posts are not silly bro! Its understandable and it is great that you are trying now to 'get over it'.
You must get over it my friend...that can only HELP YOU by doing so.

Rogaine/Minoxidil is another good topical hairloss treatment-give it a try too.
Ive thought about using Minoxidil along with my use of the
medicine Finasteride and the multi-vitamin-Biotin.

I just might do that soon.
Your words-"I will focus on staying positive, even though it is quite hard atm."
Is a very good and SMART thing to consider bro.
Once you are sincerely POSITIVE about living your life, you will be happy regardless of how much hairloss you have.
Treatments WILL help your hair, to what extend ,no one knows just yet but it will help!!
Your words-"I read so much about the sides that freaked me out."

Finasteride is like all other medicines in life that people have to take.
There is a very very small percentage of people who could possibly experience bad sides' from its usage
just like all other medicines in life !
When a large % of people have to take other types of prescribed medicines they dont really know about the possibilities of bad side effects.
They take it to improve there health for what ever reason.
The Fin' medicine for hairloss is looked at differently
because men with hairloss are ALREADY STRESSED out due to their loss and so over-emotions will make a person worry for no real reason.
As I said, Finasteride is just like all those other prescribed meds that are available.
No worries my friend.
If your doctor does prescribe you Fin' do not become worried over it, more than likely you will NOT experience bad sides' from it.
If you worry, stress WILL hurt your hair.
Cheers..

[Aik82]

Hi Aik82, Thank you for sharing your hair photos..!!

I can understand why you could initially become a bit upset over hairloss.
Many people have done the same.
The healthiest thing that you can do for yourself right now is to accept it, of course NO ONE wants to loss their hair, but when you stay positive and that you do NOT ALLOW hairloss to stress you out and make you depressed, then you can do whatever it takes to IMPROVE your hairline.
Acceptance is so very IMPORTANT for all of us that have hairloss.

Based on those pics bro, I would suggest that you
certainly do see your doctor and be prescribed Finasteride.
Hubris was correct in bringing Fin up to you.

I personally have never experienced BAD sides' from Finasteride and I have been on it for over 2 years now.
If you do decide to begin Fin' you must not expect it to change your hairs condition 'over night' ...
It takes quite a while for most men to see a positive change.
You may see, like I did, a positive beginning after about 4 months of its use.
I am on 1 mg per day.
Of course, your doctor would explain what should be done for you.
As I have said before , stress will cause more hairloss.
Stay happy and positive bro!!!!


Oh another thing, start taking the multi-vitamin~ Biotin as well.
Look up its information especially for hair.
Biotin DOES help hair!!
I take it every day.
Also, if you do start taking Finasteride take it like you would vitamins-
Take it and forget about it!! Live your life in a positive spin, you will see a change in time ~~~~
Do not continue to focus on your hair trying to see an improvement taking place.
More than likely it will happen for you but you must be patient.

Bro, thank you so much. It means a lot that you take time to reply to my silly posts about my depression. But I am trying to get over it.

I will go and see a doctor. If I add Rogaine it would help?

I will focus on staying positive, even thoough it is quite hard atm.

Again, thank you so much for sharing your experience. I read so much about the sides that freaked me out.