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  • BigThinker
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2012
    • 1507

    #16
    Originally posted by baldozer
    Which study? Provide me the source please.
    Go to pubmed.com and search "finasteride sides" or something else relevant. Veteran members of this site have bothered linking empirical evidence on this site so much that stating a year and primary author will be sufficient for most members to recall a study. Take it upon yourself to find the empirical evidence. You can also just search the forum to find them listed many times.

    Originally posted by baldozer
    Check the following Link. The rating for propecia is 2.4 / 5, which is poor.

    http://www.askapatient.com/viewratin...ort=Timelength
    How many times have you taken a drug and bothered to go to every pharmaceutical rating site to report a review (especially if you had no side effects)? If you were to, would you not most likely be motivated by a negative perception of the drug due to a negative personalexperience? What I'm getting at is: don't rely consumer reviews for something like prescription medications. If you go off self-selected testimonies, you aren't going to get credible, unbiased information. Stick to the medical literature.

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    • baldozer
      Senior Member
      • Oct 2012
      • 752

      #17
      Originally posted by BigThinker
      Go to pubmed.com and search "finasteride sides" or something else relevant. Veteran members of this site have bothered linking empirical evidence on this site so much that stating a year and primary author will be sufficient for most members to recall a study. Take it upon yourself to find the empirical evidence. You can also just search the forum to find them listed many times.



      How many times have you taken a drug and bothered to go to every pharmaceutical rating site to report a review (especially if you had no side effects)? If you were to, would you not most likely be motivated by a negative perception of the drug due to a negative personalexperience? What I'm getting at is: don't rely consumer reviews for something like prescription medications. If you go off self-selected testimonies, you aren't going to get credible, unbiased information. Stick to the medical literature.
      It is a fact that every pill has side effects. That is why I avoid taking any medicine until extremely necessary. And pills like propecia cause hormonal imbalance, which is pretty scary. I would avoid it at all costs.

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      • Tracy C
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2011
        • 3083

        #18
        Originally posted by baldozer
        And your saying that very small people have side effects is a blatant lie..
        I didn't say very small people have side effects. I said a small percentage of men get side effects - and that is not a lie. Blatant or otherwise.

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        • baldozer
          Senior Member
          • Oct 2012
          • 752

          #19
          Originally posted by Tracy C
          I didn't say very small people have side effects. I said a small percentage of men get side effects - and that is not a lie. Blatant or otherwise.
          If someone tells you that there is 1 / 50 chance that the plane you will be traveling on would crash, would you still travel on it? So 2% or 10%, the side effects do exist. And when you are suggesting anyone to take propecia, you should also tell him about the side effects.

          Secondly, the problem is also with women who think baldness is a sort of disease or something inferior. If women didn't give a shit about baldness, men wouldn't have to take drugs like propecia which have the potential to destroy body's hormonal balance. Having said that, I am married and my wife never really cared about my baldness.

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          • baldozer
            Senior Member
            • Oct 2012
            • 752

            #20
            Originally posted by VMRockshow
            Thanks hahaha my hair was actually starting to thin even in the picture where it was long. My hair was EXTREMELY thick before that.
            To become a good musician, you should concentrate more on making good music than having a good head of hair. Like I said before, there are highly respected rock musicians such as Dave Gilmour, Mark Knopfler, Klause Meine, Rob Halford and Joe Satriani and plenty of others, who are bald. People respect them for their good music, not for their hair!

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            • Exodus
              Senior Member
              • Nov 2012
              • 316

              #21
              Clearly you're very anti-propecia and obviously with good reasons. BUT, there are people on here who have had success stories and it works for them.

              Surely if they get ED or whatever 1,2,5 or 10 years down the rude, it's their problem, They knew the risks etc.

              If you're happy being bald and accepting of it, then thats great, I'd love to be like you and Im sure many of us will eventually, BUT at the end of the day if someone comes on here with the intention of taking propecia and they are influenced by some forum member, then its THEIR issue, their risk.

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              • baldozer
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2012
                • 752

                #22
                Originally posted by Exodus
                Clearly you're very anti-propecia and obviously with good reasons. BUT, there are people on here who have had success stories and it works for them.

                Surely if they get ED or whatever 1,2,5 or 10 years down the rude, it's their problem, They knew the risks etc.

                If you're happy being bald and accepting of it, then thats great, I'd love to be like you and Im sure many of us will eventually, BUT at the end of the day if someone comes on here with the intention of taking propecia and they are influenced by some forum member, then its THEIR issue, their risk.
                I am not just only Anti-Propecia, I'm against any oral medication which is taken frequently. Personally I never took such medications in my life. Our body has a very delicately balanced hormonal system, and I'm against any medication that can destroy that balance. Pills should be avoided at all costs, unless its a matter of life and death. And we know that hairloss is not something fatal. Let us hope, in future there would be treatments available which won't have such side effects.

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                • Tracy C
                  Senior Member
                  • Sep 2011
                  • 3083

                  #23
                  Originally posted by baldozer
                  And when you are suggesting anyone to take propecia, you should also tell him about the side effects.
                  If you truly paid attention to anything I write, you would know that I never suggest or advise anyone to take Finasteride or any other medication. I advise them to talk to a doctor about it. In this specific thread, the OP has already talked to a doctor about it. I did not make the suggestion at all.



                  Originally posted by baldozer
                  Secondly, the problem is also with women who think baldness is a sort of disease or something inferior.
                  I don't know what planet you are on - but it is not the same planet I am on.

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                  • Tracy C
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2011
                    • 3083

                    #24
                    Originally posted by baldozer
                    Check the following Link. The rating for propecia is 2.4 / 5, which is poor.
                    First and foremost, that is not a legitimate or reliable source. Merck claims the side effect rate is about 2%. We all know that is not accurate. Independent well designed studies have determined the side effect rate is actually almost twice that - but not quite twice that. Secondly, up to 10% chance of side effects for any medication is considered acceptable - depending in the patients indications. The doctor weighs this information before writing the script.

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                    • UK_
                      Senior Member
                      • Feb 2011
                      • 2691

                      #25
                      Do not take finasteride!!!!!

                      The amount of legal action against Merck due to persistent sexual side effects is growing, google 'PropeciaHelp' for more information!
                      Last edited by Winston; 02-16-2013, 06:25 PM.

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                      • Tracy C
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2011
                        • 3083

                        #26
                        The post above is blatant fear mongering. Consider the source and take it with a grain of salt.

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                        • UK_
                          Senior Member
                          • Feb 2011
                          • 2691

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Tracy C
                          First and foremost, that is not a legitimate or reliable source. Merck claims the side effect rate is about 2%. We all know that is not accurate. Independent well designed studies have determined the side effect rate is actually almost twice that - but not quite twice that. Secondly, up to 10% chance of side effects for any medication is considered acceptable - depending in the patients indications. The doctor weighs this information before writing the script.
                          Merck have also had to add the risk of PERMANENT SEXUAL DYSFUNCTION to the labelling of their product because there IS EVIDENCE for the existence of this side effect - the very fact that there exists a risk of a permanent side effect should steer any sane and rational individual away from this archaic hair loss pill.

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                          • UK_
                            Senior Member
                            • Feb 2011
                            • 2691

                            #28
                            Originally posted by Tracy C
                            The post above is blatant fear mongering. Consider the source and take it with a grain of salt.
                            It's not a lie or fear mongering - the amount of legal action over the past 10 years due to propecias side effects has not declined or stagnated, it has grown, hence the recent label changes.

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                            • Tracy C
                              Senior Member
                              • Sep 2011
                              • 3083

                              #29
                              Two words; Informed Consent

                              The chances of persistent side effects is a small percentage of an already small percentage. Like it or not, that is the truth about it.

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                              • Tracy C
                                Senior Member
                                • Sep 2011
                                • 3083

                                #30
                                Originally posted by UK_
                                It's not a lie or fear mongering...
                                It is fear mongering. Plain and simple fear mongering.

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