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JJ, now with your experience in analyzing scalp hair, have you ever tried to analyze Histogen's "proof-results"?
For example...
Just look at number 76 on top of the pics - what can you see?
Simply compare all grafts/FU's.Comment
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I'm going to try to keep this thread on topic as much as I can
so I'm not going to talk too much about Histogen. But overall, I think the analysis you have done of the photos is very fair. This is not a popular opinion, but I am not impressed with the pictures they have shown so far.
On the other hand, I don't think you should waste your time arguing with others about it. We'll all know soon enough whether Histogen's HSC works so there's no point getting these posters angry enough that they will try to ban you, especially now that they have all seen your analysis. It's better to focus on something productive like HST 3.0
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Exactly this, #1 lets not rattle on about Histogen in this thread, #2 arguing with the likes of maxhair or perhaps histogen fan boys is like banging your head against a brick wall.I'm going to try to keep this thread on topic as much as I can so I'm not going to talk too much about Histogen. But overall, I think the analysis you have done of the photos is very fair. This is not a popular opinion, but I am not impressed with the pictures they have shown so far.
On the other hand, I don't think you should waste your time arguing with others about it. We'll all know soon enough whether Histogen's HSC works so there's no point getting these posters angry enough that they will try to ban you, especially now that they have all seen your analysis. It's better to focus on something productive like HST 3.0
Question on your analysis, you mentioned the hair thickness/number of hairs was reduced on 41% of the 80% which regenerated, is there any correlation of thinning in the non extracted surrounding hairs did you notice?
Does that make sense? Can explain further if necessary. ThanksComment
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I understand your question. I did not really notice this, but I can't say I spent a lot of time comparing the surrounding area either. I'll post the results of the spreadsheet I used and maybe you can use that as a guide.
Update your cache for the latest results for the analysis. I realized I missed some points so I added those in earlier today to the picturesComment
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Results from 2nd Procedure
I think I didn't label point #99 in the second procedureCode:# Regenerated? 1 Yes 2 Yes 3 No 4 No 5 Yes 6 Yes 7 Yes 8 Yes 9 Yes 10 Yes 11 Yes 12 Yes 13 Yes 14 Yes 15 No 16 Yes 17 Yes 18 Yes 19 Yes 20 No 21 Yes 22 No 23 Yes 24 Yes 25 Yes 26 Yes 27 Yes 28 No 29 No 30 Yes 31 Yes 32 Yes 33 Yes 34 Yes 35 No 36 Yes 37 Yes 38 Yes 39 No 40 Yes 41 No 42 Yes 43 No 44 Yes 45 Yes 46 Yes 47 No 48 Yes 49 Yes 50 Yes 51 Yes 52 Yes 53 No 54 Yes 55 Yes 56 No 57 No 58 Yes 59 Yes 60 Yes 61 No 62 Yes 63 Yes 64 Yes 65 Yes 66 Yes 67 Yes 68 Yes 69 No? 70 Yes 71 No 72 Yes 73 Yes 74 Yes 75 Yes 76 Yes 77 No 78 Yes 79 Yes 80 Yes 81 Yes 82 Yes 83 Yes 84 Yes 85 Yes 86 Yes 87 Yes 88 No 89 Yes 90 Yes 91 Yes 92 Yes 93 Yes 94 No 95 Yes 96 Yes 97 Yes 98 Yes 99 100 Yes 101 Yes 102 Yes 103 Yes 104 Yes 105 Yes 106 Yes 107 Yes 108 Yes 109 Yes
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Results from 3rd Procedure
Code:# Regen? Quality Times Extracted 1 Yes Same 2 Yes Same 3 Yes Less hairs Multiple 4 No - Multiple 5 Yes Same 6 Yes Less hairs Multiple 7 Yes Same Multiple 8 No - 9 Yes Less hairs Multiple 10 Yes Less hairs Multiple 11 Yes Less hairs? 12 No - Multiple 13 No - 14 Yes Less hairs 15 Yes Same 16 Yes Less hairs, thinner 17 No - 18 Yes Less hairs Multiple 19 Yes Same 20 Yes Less hairs, thinner 21 Yes Same 22 Yes Thinner 23 Yes Less hairs, thinner 24 Yes Same 25 Yes Thinner 26 Yes Thinner 27 Yes Same 28 Yes Same 29 Yes Same 30 Yes Same 31 No - 32 No - 33 Yes Same 34 Yes Same 35 Yes Thinner 36 Yes Same 37 Yes Same 38 Yes Thinner 39 No - 40 Yes Less hairs 41 Yes Less hairs 42 Yes Same 43 Yes Same 44 Yes Same 45 Yes Same 46 Yes Same 47 Yes Thinner 48 Yes Same 49 Yes Same 50 Yes Same 51 Yes Same 52 Yes Same 53 Yes? Twisted 54 Yes Less hairs, thinner 55 Yes Less hairs, thinner 56 No - Multiple 57 Yes Less hairs, thinner Multiple 58 Yes Less hairs 59 Yes Less hairs 60 Yes Same 61 Yes Same Multiple 62 No - 63 Yes Same 64 Yes Less hairs 65 Yes Less hairs, thinner 66 Yes Same 67 No - 68 Yes Same 69 Yes Same 70 No - Multiple 71 Yes Same 72 Yes Less hairs, thinner? Multiple 73 Yes Same 74 Yes Same 75 No - 76 Yes Thinner 77 Yes Same Multiple 78 Yes Less hairs, thinner 79 Yes Less hairs 80 Yes Same 81 Yes Thinner 82 No - 83 Yes Same 84 Yes Thinner 85 Yes Less hairs Multiple 86 Yes Same 87 No - 88 Yes Less hairs 89 Yes Same 90 Yes Same Multiple 91 Yes Same 92 No - Multiple 93 Yes Same 94 No - 95 No - 96 Yes Same 97 No - Multiple 98 Yes Same Multiple 99 Yes Same 100 Yes Same 101 Yes Same 102 Yes Thinner 103 Yes Same 104 Yes Thinner 105 Yes Same 106 Yes Same 107 Yes Same 108 Yes Same 109 Yes Less hairs 110 Yes Same 111 Yes Less hairs? Multiple 112 No - 113 Yes Same 114 No - 115 Yes Same 116 Yes Less hairs? 117 Yes Twisted 118 No - 119 No - 120 Yes Less hairs? 121 Yes Less hairs 122 No - 123 Yes Same 124 Yes Same Multiple 125 Yes Same? 126 Yes Thinner 127 Yes Same
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These are seriously impressive stats JJ, time to put your feet up now.
Now we have all these thinner hairs numbered I will take a photo again in say 3 months or so on and it might be the case that they grow thicker again.
I know that sounds like positive spin, but either way, I'm extremely happy with 80% regeneration, I don't think anybody could be unhappy with stats like this.Comment
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Really great work JJ!! Tanks!
It would be interesting to do a similar study of the reception area to see how many hairs that survive. This probably should be done after 12 monthsComment
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Hi GC
Well done on your success.
Can I just ask, do you plan to keep your hair shaved or will you be able to grow it out? I have been a bit of a sceptic of Gho in the past, but would he be a good option for a receder, in your opinion? My hairline is receding but the hair on my crown has always remained pretty strong, so I'm wondering if he is a good option for hairline restoration
I am curious about the hair length as I never wear a buzz cut...it doesn't suit me.
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Cheers mate, I take it your a Spurs fan with a name like that, I'm a gooner so as long as we knick 4th place in the run in, I'll be happy with that!
But Bale is something else, think you'll struggle to keep hold of him tbh...
Yea going to keep my hair shaved to a zero for the next 3 or so months, then as the new hair grows out, I'll grow it to a number 1. After my next procedure later this year I may grow it out again to a more normal length, time will tell, but I don't see why there would be a problem, just having the option is nice enough!
Yes I think he is a good option for hair line work. He can get you a density of around 50 grafts per cm2, I'm aware other clinics can go higher than that, but a scarless procedure with regrowth in your donor is priceless IMO.Comment
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For that, hairy man gc is an excellent candidate on one hand, a rather bad candidate on the other hand…
gc – the excellent candidate
He is an excellent candidate concerning former being SLICK BALD on top. That means, it’s, in fact, easy to count and to analyze every implanted HST graft, because there were not any pre-existing hairs – not even any tiny vellus hairs!
So everything what you can see and WILL see in future - and there is simply no room for trickery or BS whatever, are all 100% hairs of implanted HST grafts (more accurate implanted follicular stem cells) from gc’s donor area.
gc – the bad candidate
gc is NOT a normal AGA patient. According to his reports, he suddenly lost ALL hairs on top of his head when he was 8 years old or so. That means, the skin itself on top of his head didn’t contain any follicles/hairs (not even vellus hairs!) since around 22 years. It is well-known, that skin in general, which doesn’t contain follicles/hairs since a very long time, is not really the ideal environment for successful hair transplants – especially when there is SCARRING alopecia involved.
The latter is THE reason (besides gc’s former 2 small test procedures) , why they –in gc’s case- always used the stick & place method for implantation of the grafts. So in gc’s case, it’s rather like transplanting of grafts into strip scars (at least similar), and transplanting into scars, has always been a tricky thing concerning the success rate – aka “take rate”. So that’s the reason why he also is a rather “bad candidate” for recipient area studies. But so far, as mentioned, his 2 small test procedures were so far very convincing and promising.Comment
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Well, I am the perfect candidate for a radically different and original case study with Gho's method: NW6, probably 7, typical AGA case as a result of aggressive diffuse hair loss, and stable since many years now. Only a few very sparse hair relics remain on my top. But I guess I would need a hefty amount of cash for this, right?
Unless the clinic is interested to have a historical publication in Nature (the journal) and do this for free.
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Nope. Unfortunately, you’re not. I think Dr. Gho has such candidates anyhow “in the work”, but for most of such candidates –even with HST- the biggest problem is still TIME & MONEY.
If I would be a NW 6 or even a NW 7 candidate, I think I would rather try a scarless removal of all transplanted hairs (small HT’s in the 90s) and to fix up my strip scars. Then I would shave down everything and move on, because not everybody is willing to have lots of procedures over too many years and to spend simply TOO MUCH for hair transplants. $20,000 perhaps, maybe even $30,000 to $40,000 for a “full” head of hair again. But many guys, even if money is not the issue at all – they simply do not want to spend this money for hair transplants. BUT …
If there would be something what could give realistically even a NW 6 or 7 candidate within 2-3 years or so at least a BIG PART of his hair back, and without a big loss of hair in the donor area or whatever, I think in this case, such guys would rather try it and would see more sense to spend money for hair transplants …
I think you would be rather a candidate for HST 3.0 …
Anyway, as JJ suggests,
we should rather stay on topic – namely JJ’s excellent donor regeneration analysis. On the other hand, is there really much to add?
gc83uk, JJJJrS and I have already clear visible demonstrated what’s possible and what’s not with Dr. Gho’s (2.0) technique. But, sure, there will always be idiots who have useless shit to add …Comment
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Yes mate, I am a Spurs fan, for my sins! Things are going well at the moment but I always fear our end of season collapse. Bale is quality though but might be difficult to hang on to him, even if we do get top 4.
I like Gho's clean work, donor looks pristine and the lack of detection of surgery is a plus. Also, I wouldn't want work colleagues knowing if I had a HT and Gho's healing time seems the quickest.
My only concern is the thickness of the result, I have fairly thick hair and would hope that any work done on the hairline would be thick as well. His lack of published before and after pics and price are a concern though, so I will probably just make enquiries at this stage.
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