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  • 534623
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2011
    • 1854

    #16
    Originally posted by Arashi
    You know, I wonder what kind of person you are in real life...
    Sure, I know. But I wonder why you don't have anything to say to the thread's topic. Should I wonder?

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    • Arashi
      Senior Member
      • Aug 2012
      • 3888

      #17
      Originally posted by 534623
      Sure, I know. But I wonder why you don't have anything to say to the thread's topic. Should I wonder?
      No, nothing to say to your topic. Discussion with you is not very fruitful, is it, so why even bother.

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      • 534623
        Senior Member
        • Oct 2011
        • 1854

        #18
        Originally posted by Arashi
        No, nothing to say to your topic.
        Cool. Goodbye.

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        • Arashi
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2012
          • 3888

          #19
          Originally posted by 534623
          Cool. Goodbye.
          Byeeeeeeeeee

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          • Gandolf
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2011
            • 198

            #20
            Originally posted by 534623
            Nope - but almost correct ...


            The estimated area (pic in my previous post) is just around 0.3 cm²!

            And there is still a problem involved (why just estimated):
            When I want to get a real sharp photo - the USB microscope doesn't allow me not even to breath (no trembling/shaking!). So I must always press the USB micro a little bit to the skin and thereby shrinks the distance to the lense somewhat, because the head's surface is not flat and hard as the table (pic below), and the skin bends somewhat into the USB microscope, what makes the area, in fact, even smaller...so you can calculate around 35-40 grafts per complete square centimeter (cm²).
            So you've proven the size of the piece of paper by showing it alongside the ruler, but how do we know that the repicient photo is being shown at the same scale and represent the same surface area??

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            • 534623
              Senior Member
              • Oct 2011
              • 1854

              #21
              Originally posted by Gandolf
              So you've proven the size of the piece of paper by showing it alongside the ruler, but how do we know that the repicient photo is being shown at the same scale and represent the same surface area??
              If you have a better idea, how to figure out the proper size - let me know.

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              • Gandolf
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2011
                • 198

                #22
                Originally posted by 534623
                If you have a better idea, how to figure out the proper size - let me know.
                You'd have to have the ruler or measuring standard actually in the same picture as the hair.

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                • hellouser
                  Senior Member
                  • May 2012
                  • 4419

                  #23
                  Originally posted by 534623
                  Nope - but almost correct ...


                  The estimated area (pic in my previous post) is just around 0.3 cm²!

                  And there is still a problem involved (why just estimated):
                  When I want to get a real sharp photo - the USB microscope doesn't allow me not even to breath (no trembling/shaking!). So I must always press the USB micro a little bit to the skin and thereby shrinks the distance to the lense somewhat, because the head's surface is not flat and hard as the table (pic below), and the skin bends somewhat into the USB microscope, what makes the area, in fact, even smaller...so you can calculate around 35-40 grafts per complete square centimeter (cm²).
                  LOL, its cute how you put in the dimension of the image, 640x480. I hope you realize that image sizes are not the same on every display. Look into Apple 'Retina Display' to figure out why.

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                  • Gandolf
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2011
                    • 198

                    #24
                    Originally posted by hellouser
                    LOL, its cute how you put in the dimension of the image, 640x480. I hope you realize that image sizes are not the same on every display. Look into Apple 'Retina Display' to figure out why.
                    Yup, at the end of the day, it's very possible that he's not done anything sketchy in the presentation of these pics and got the density that he's calculated. However, given his history here nobody with a brain would put it past him to try and pull the wool over our eyes. He can either doctor the pic or take it with another camera with a dfferent level of zoom, we really have no way to know that the pics were taken under identical specifications and are non edited and thus represent the same surface area. It all comes down to whether or not you believe Ironman to be an honest, reliable, and non-biased source on the topic of HST, which I sure don't.

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                    • 534623
                      Senior Member
                      • Oct 2011
                      • 1854

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Gandolf
                      Yup, at the end of the day, it's very possible that he's not done anything sketchy in the presentation of these pics and got the density that he's calculated. However...
                      Now I've made 10 dots into the "proper size" with a normal ballpoint pen...




                      And now try the following:
                      Take a normal ballpoint pen, and make some normal DOTS on a sheet of paper and measure the DIAMETER of the ballpointpen-dot;
                      How big is the diameter of HST grafts and how big is the diameter of the holes they make into the recipient area?
                      How "big" is 0.5 mm diameter at all?
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                      • Gandolf
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2011
                        • 198

                        #26
                        Originally posted by 534623
                        Now I've made 10 dots into the "proper size" with a normal ballpoint pen...

                        And now try the following:
                        Take a normal ballpoint pen, and make some normal DOTS on a sheet of paper and measure the DIAMETER of the ballpointpen-dot;
                        How big is the diameter of HST grafts and how big is the diameter of the holes they make into the recipient area?
                        How "big" is 0.5 mm diameter at all?
                        Lol and what the **** is the significance of you marking up a piece of paper with a ballpoint pen???

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                        • 534623
                          Senior Member
                          • Oct 2011
                          • 1854

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Gandolf
                          Lol and what the **** is the significance of you marking up a piece of paper with a ballpoint pen???
                          THE answer has something to do with my previous post...

                          I took the photo below 1 week after my 1st HST procedure with my cheap DinoLite handheld video-microscope. The photo shows a small area of the forelock area, anywhere behind the hairline, and as you can see in this pic, there are around 12 implanted HST grafts in this photo: The BIG question: How big (size) is this area


                          *LOL*

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                          • hellouser
                            Senior Member
                            • May 2012
                            • 4419

                            #28
                            A better way to do this would be to use Adobe Illustrator and make a 1cm square with a thin outline at 0.1pt thickness, then make a grid out of dots spaced evenly to get an idea of how many hairs should be within a 1cm square.

                            Here's a quick diagram I made that shows this;



                            If you guys want a printable PDF of this to print yourselves and get an accurate showing of density click here: http://www.sendspace.com/file/upupyd

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                            • gc83uk
                              Senior Member
                              • Nov 2011
                              • 1339

                              #29
                              Originally posted by hellouser
                              A better way to do this would be to use Adobe Illustrator and make a 1cm square with a thin outline at 0.1pt thickness, then make a grid out of dots spaced evenly to get an idea of how many hairs should be within a 1cm square.
                              Are you talking about hairs or FU's here? There has to be more than 70-90 hairs in a cm2 avg. That would only be about 30 FU's

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                              • hellouser
                                Senior Member
                                • May 2012
                                • 4419

                                #30
                                Originally posted by gc83uk
                                Are you talking about hairs or FU's here? There has to be more than 70-90 hairs in a cm2 avg. That would only be about 30 FU's
                                I'm counting total hairs which gives the aesthetic look of a full head of head rather than the technical crap. If it looks dense, its dense.

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