Really need advice! Go ahead with dr Gho?

[534623]

Could you fellow forum members that have had your hair done at Hasci please tell me which of the doctors performed your surgery?

I had mine with Dr. Mozart - and Dr. Broekhuijse as additional "advisor" the whole day. Besides Jarkata (no idea what's going on there), the Amsterdam or Maastricht teams are very big teams, and I can almost assure you, that it is completely irrelevant which Doc or team you choose.

What's far more essential - be well prepared IN ADVANCE concerning what YOU actually want (hairline etc) and try to be as realistic as possible - and you will really ENJOY the treatment day.

[censur]

I have now found out that it is possible for me to do the surgery sometime around april/may if I let one of their other surgeons, and not dr Gho himself, perform it.
Im now pretty sure that I want to give Hasci a try!

I got a reply from them to my question if the quality may vary somewhat depending on which of the Hasci doctors perform the surgery, but they said it would not matter.
But its hard to imagine them giving me a different answer to that question anyway?

Could you fellow forum members that have had your hair done at Hasci please tell me which of the doctors performed your surgery?
If YOU haven't had your hair done and would book an appointment with Hasci now, would you care which of the doctors perform this, or would you just be satisfied with any of them, as long as it is Hasci?
Maybe it's just for me that this is a concern?

[gc83uk]

I'm not sure if I've already responded, but I would say if you've lost everything on top then your probably going to need almost 10,000

However if you have some hair already on top, then you would be surprised how much coverage 5000 can achieve. For most people it would be enough!

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BUT, let's say Gho's donor regeneration technique actually works: I guess it could actually help me maintain a decent hair cut by filling in with a couple of thousand new grafts every year, as I continue to lose my original hair.
The question is: how many grafts could I actually need in TOTAL if I want to have an acceptable density all over the head, but have lost almost all original hair on the top. 8000? 10 000? 15 000? Or 20 000 grafts?

I don't really know how much 1400 grafts really is, applied to my head. I guess it is much dependent upon the density in which the grafts are placed.

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I have also found out that there are in total four doctors, plus dr Gho himself, that performs these surgeries in Hasci's clinics in London, Maastricht and Amsterdam.
Would you say it is likely that the quality of the result may vary to some extent depending on which doctor I choose for the surgery?
It takes much longer time to get an appointment with dr Gho himself, but I am of course extremely particular about getting the best possible outcome, if I choose to go ahead with this.
So of course it may be worth to wait for one of the doctors with the most skill and experience. But they may all be up to the exact same standard? How can I know?

Does anyone else please have any more input regarding these questions?

[Vox]

Regarding the genetic side of things, I really don't have that much hair loss in my family. My father and rest of my close relatives all just have average hair loss due to old age.
However, my grandfather on my mothers side is a NW6-7 and he experienced really agressive hair loss from a young age. I guess this means that I should be prepared to lose almost all my hair, except on the sides, within maybe 5 years or so?
I guess that's the tragic truth I need to prepare for.

I am afraid so. I wrote about it in the first page of this discussion.

My grandfather from my mother's side was exactly like that and he passed to me precisely this kind of genetics. By the age of 28 I saw that something was very wrong with my hair (diffuse and aggressive hair loss in the NW6/7 pattern). In a few years I had the new look. In the pictures you posted you seem to have the same pattern, but no one can really predict the pathway from this point.

[censur]

'If I try to make an appointment now, then I still need to wait three to six months before the surgery actually takes place and then wait another 9-12 months before I get the improvement.'

Waiting lists are not that bad anymore, a month or 2 tops in Eropean clinics or if you do it in Indonesia you can prbbly get it done right away

Thank you.
That may very well be true.
But it is also heavily dependent upon what doctor and team is going to perform the surgery. Dr Gho's first avaliable appointment now is in August, so that's at least 6 months away. But if I am not particular about who is going to perform the surgery, I can get it done much faster.
But...then my questions regarding if the quality may differ depending on what doctor/team at HASCI performing the surgery, still remain.

[Gandolf]

Censur,

Regarding nothing to lose but money, yes, there are other risks such as a poor cosmetic result. Again I'm not saying it's likely to happen but that is always a risk with a hair transplant.

Regarding density, Dr. Gho is more conservative than many other doctors so he would likely cover a larger area of your head with a given number of grafts, as opposed to having a small area that is densely packed. He has stated that you can return and add further density between the implanted hairs. This would bode well for you and your use of concealers after having a procedure but still not having your full density expectations met after just 1 or 2 procedures.

Regarding the individual doctors and their skill levels, I don't have the answer to that one but my recommendation would be to contact the clinics individually and ask to see before and after pictures of the patients of each respective doctor. If they are unable or unwilling to do this for you, then I would advise you to be very cautious about moving forward.

[didi]

'If I try to make an appointment now, then I still need to wait three to six months before the surgery actually takes place and then wait another 9-12 months before I get the improvement.'

Waiting lists are not that bad anymore, a month or 2 tops in Eropean clinics or if you do it in Indonesia you can prbbly get it done right away

[censur]

A sincere thank you to those who have replied to my questions this far!!
I don't wish to be rude, but please, all of you, try to be constructive and don't use this thread for bashing and criticism against other forum members.

It seems that HST may or may not work for me. But what have I got to lose, more than the money?
I guess I can always wait a bit longer until HST is really proven effective (or ineffective), but I feel that time is running out.
If I try to make an appointment now, then I still need to wait three to six months before the surgery actually takes place and then wait another 9-12 months before I get the improvement.
I'm still pretty young and it really feels that I am wasting time just sitting here passively watching my hair (and my appearce) fall apart as the weeks pass.

Regarding the genetic side of things, I really don't have that much hair loss in my family. My father and rest of my close relatives all just have average hair loss due to old age.
However, my grandfather on my mothers side is a NW6-7 and he experienced really agressive hair loss from a young age. I guess this means that I should be prepared to lose almost all my hair, except on the sides, within maybe 5 years or so?
I guess that's the tragic truth I need to prepare for.

BUT, let's say Gho's donor regeneration technique actually works: I guess it could actually help me maintain a decent hair cut by filling in with a couple of thousand new grafts every year, as I continue to lose my original hair.
The question is: how many grafts could I actually need in TOTAL if I want to have an acceptable density all over the head, but have lost almost all original hair on the top. 8000? 10 000? 15 000? Or 20 000 grafts?

I don't really know how much 1400 grafts really is, applied to my head. I guess it is much dependent upon the density in which the grafts are placed.
Could it be a good idea to place the grafts with a little bit less density, because that way I can cover a larger area? Because I guess it's always possible to place more adjacent grafts in the same area during future surgeries to make the hair more dense as I loose even more of the original hair?
As I said before, Toppik and Dermatch can really do miracles for the appearence of my hair, and if these surgeries at least gave me an acceptable density of hair all over, I think it may look good when I combine this with these hair products.
But of course, Toppik for example, needs at least SOME hair in all areas of the head for the creatine particles to attach to - it doesn't work at all in bald areas.

I have also found out that there are in total four doctors, plus dr Gho himself, that performs these surgeries in Hasci's clinics in London, Maastricht and Amsterdam.
Would you say it is likely that the quality of the result may vary to some extent depending on which doctor I choose for the surgery?
It takes much longer time to get an appointment with dr Gho himself, but I am of course extremely particular about getting the best possible outcome, if I choose to go ahead with this.
So of course it may be worth to wait for one of the doctors with the most skill and experience. But they may all be up to the exact same standard? How can I know?

[534623]

Dr. Gho explicitly states that there is scaring occurring. Gandolph is 100% correct and Ironman is wrong in the most absolute sense of the word. See the transcript below:

That Ironman thinks this transcript says no scarring is occurring is an indictment of his honestly and or intelligence.



Gho: You won't see the scar. Why? because when you look at the hair follicle and the hairs. where i extract the hair...where is, is the scar? It's on the place of the hair

spencer: right

gho: so you don't SEE any scars


Clearly he's saying that there is scarring occurring, the difference being that you can't see it due to it's location. That is what's being explained in the video, nothing more, nothing less.

Really? Is he "clearly saying" this?

What part exactly of Dr. Gho's explanation (he even used his hands to demonstrate this or that) don't you understand?

Dr. Gho clearly explains THIS in the 2nd interview ...


As soon as the remaining follicle parts in the extraction wound regenerate FOLLICLES again in the extraction wounds/holes - at their PLACE is no PLACE for any scar-tissue or something else - what else?

You can't have scar-tissue AND completely regenerated FOLLICLE TISSUE in the same extraction wound/hole! So "either/or"! Both can't exist at the same place. Sure, provided, that the FOLLICLE TISSUES indeed regenerate in the wounds. If you can't see hair shafts emerging at the skin's surface not even after around 2-3 weeks after extraction, in this case, and JUST in this case, fibrous scar tissue below the epidermal layer in this extraction wound is - LIKELY. Also, in this case, the epidermal layer either has the ability for complete regeneration (at least the epidermal layer), sometimes not, which could finally indeed could create "pin-point scars".

Furthermore (Dr. Gho explains every single shit, including follicle/FU sizes etc, in the interview anyhow), Dr. Gho extracts with the HST technique just FOLLICLE TISSUE - not skin-tissue which surrounds follicle tissue! And follicle tissue, of course, every hair researcher out there knows this, is FULL with follicular stem cells, which are responsible for hair follicle maintance and finally hair-shaft growth.

So as long as you can SEE hairs emerging at the skin's surface of previous extraction sites - scar tissue at the same place is IMPOSSIBLE! Either scar-tissue OR follicle tissue again - both doesn't and can't co-exist at the same place. Not even "microscopic scarring". Microscopic scarring as such, in follicle tissue, doesn't exist in hair shafts producing and finally CIRCLING (anagen-catagen-telogen-anagen etc) follicles! Follicle tissue is a highly dynamic thingy - it shrinks, becomes bigger again, shrinks again, becomes bigger again an so on. It always regenerates itself.

[Kiwi]

He admitted in one of his posts he's over 40. I'm not sure if that's funny or sad ...

I'd give some people the benefit of the doubt... But ironman?

It's just sad..

[Gandolf]

Dr. Gho explicitly states that there is scaring occurring. Gandolph is 100% correct and Ironman is wrong in the most absolute sense of the word. See the transcript below:

Thanks. I was just about to take the time and surrender to Ironman's childish demand for a transcript of the 2nd Gho interview, only because he wants me to so badly and has been begging for it in all these threads, when I see that you beat me to the punch and saved me the time. So there you have it, in both interviews it is made 100% black and white, clear as crystal, according to Dr. Gho himself HST DOES CAUSE SOME SMALL DEGREE OF SCARRING that is not perceptible when looking at the person's head but is still present on some level and modifies the hair folicle. Looks like Ironman is 0/2 on the issue now with it being discussed clearly in both of the interviews.

[The Alchemist]

So, where is the transcript?

Ops, I forgot - it's not your intention to make a transcript of this video or to explain something in general. Your intention is mentioning Rahal and Hasson&Wrong as often as possible in a Gho section. That's the reason why he is in this section at all.

Dr. Gho explicitly states that there is scaring occurring. Gandolph is 100% correct and Ironman is wrong in the most absolute sense of the word. See the transcript below:

That Ironman thinks this transcript says no scarring is occurring is an indictment of his honestly and or intelligence.



Gho: You won't see the scar. Why? because when you look at the hair follicle and the hairs. where i extract the hair...where is, is the scar? It's on the place of the hair

spencer: right

gho: so you don't SEE any scars


Clearly he's saying that there is scarring occurring, the difference being that you can't see it due to it's location. That is what's being explained in the video, nothing more, nothing less.

And in the previous video where Spencer is talking about micro scarring and Gho is repeatedly saying "yes"...Ironman's interpretation is a ridiculous bit of sophistry. It's very clear that Gho is agreeing with him and not placating him as Ironman suggests.

Judgement is for Gandolf. Ironman is sentenced to a lifetime of baldness and scars for his contemptible level of stupidity and deceitfulness.

[Gandolf]

So, where is the transcript?

Ops, I forgot - it's not your intention to make a transcript of this video or to explain something in general. Your intention is mentioning Rahal and Hasson&Wrong as often as possible in a Gho section. That's the reason why he is in this section at all.

1)What is with your constant requests for me to post more transcripts? You made a claim about Dr. Gho that was blatently wrong the other day and I posted a video and the text to go along with it that proved 100% that you were in fact wrong. Rather than manning up and just admitting that you made a small mistake you called me names and claimed to be able to read Dr. Gho's mind and interpret that he didn't really mean what he said.

2)Funny I didn't bring either of those clinics up here now yet you just did.

3)The reason I am in this section is because HST is a promising but not necessarily proven or fool-proof procedure that I think has a very good chance of being part of the next move forward in surgical hair restoration.

[534623]

http://www.thebaldtruth.com/hair-loss/spencer-kobren-speak-with-dr-coen-gho-is-hair-stemcell-transplantationhst-the-future-of-hair-restoration/

Starting at 34:10>>>>

Anyway, Mr. Transcript,
make a new transcript, and post what Dr. Gho explained in the 2nd interview.

So what is Dr. Gho saying? Why can't you see any scars?
What's THE reason why fibrous scar tissue in the skin is practically impossible to form?

So, where is the transcript?

Ops, I forgot - it's not your intention to make a transcript of this video or to explain something in general. Your intention is mentioning Rahal and Hasson&Wrong as often as possible in a Gho section. That's the reason why he is in this section at all.