3rd Procedure with Gho

[534623]

hair on the right looks same diameter as donor and you have all sort of different grafts there which shows your donor and recipient mirror each other, its not scientific but its good to see

What would the donor and recipient look like, when gc's photos would be scientific? Can you please describe it a little bit what it would look like?

can you mark 1 cm2 on your recipient area where you had hst 9 months ago so we can count how many hairs are growing, should be around 35 FUs

once we know that - we can mark and observe 1 cm2 in your donor and and compare it

Yeah? - so that "we" can see what exactly in each pic?

Can you please explain the logic behind your ideas, so that at least you're able to understand yourself the benefit of your proposals?

[534623]

All the hairs/grafts on the right side, are all the new hairs/grafts from your 2nd procedure 9 month ago.
Besides many other interesting things - one thing is simply obvious:
Just 9 month after, the implanted (CLONED!) hairs have exactly the same characteristics as the hairs/grafts in your donor area. That's simply a fact. Hairs, in a former completely slick bald area.

@gc,
what do you think?

Let's assume we are in the year 2002 or so. I guess such a thread like this thread, wouldn't have just 75 replies - such a thread would have at least 7500 replies - NOW!

[didi]

what i am suggesting is lets make the most of GCs shaved head, we can analize and shift focus on recipient

by marking random 1cm2 or 4cm2 we can compare claimed/promised density vs real density

also we can see what exactly is growing(1s,2s n 3s) and we compare it to donor

gc takes good quality pix where its easy to count hairs

[534623]

what i am suggesting is lets make the most of GCs shaved head, we can analize and shift focus on recipient

by marking random 1cm2 or 4cm2 we can compare claimed/promised density vs real density

also we can see what exactly is growing(1s,2s n 3s) and we compare it to donor

gc takes good quality pix where its easy to count hairs

I have bad news - I have just found out, that #6, for example, didn't regenerate, not even after 9 month. Seems once and for all.

So, forget Gho, didi. Buy Umar's 10,000 3-hair body graft procedure, and everything will be fine for you!!

[gc83uk]

I have bad news - I have just found out, that #6, for example, didn't regenerate, not even after 9 month. Seems once and for all.

So, forget Gho, didi. Buy Umar's 10,000 3-hair body graft procedure, and everything will be fine for you!!

Oh well, nevermind. Did all of the hairs that didn't regenerate last time also not regenerate or is it just #6?

Despite that, I don't think anyone should expect 100% regeneration.

And IronMan, thank you for checking!

Regarding the 75 replies, I think it has more to do with the fact that most people believe this works, whereas a couple of years ago with the likes of that 'Spanish dude' threads would go on for weeks with hundreds or thousands of comments.

Also on this forum when you make a comment in the Gho section it doesn't show on the 'recent threads' section! You tell me why!

[didi]

i suggesed long time ago to move Ghos section from 'future' treatments to more appropriate section, perhaps sub section under surgical section

they put hst in the same basket as prp,histogen...

when first timer comes they think HST is just bs and it might work in the future when in facts its been around for number of years

[534623]

Oh well, nevermind. Did all of the hairs that didn't regenerate last time also not regenerate or is it just #6?

Despite that, I don't think anyone should expect 100% regeneration.

And IronMan, thank you for checking!

Yup - seems it's true - BUT ...

It seems, that -for instance- even such an extraction site as site #6, is still "prone to" produce hairs even beyond 9 month! Why?

Initially (9 month ago), I always thought "what the hell is this or that?". I'm not talking about extraction sites from 9 month ago, I'm talking about "strange (reddish/yellow/pinkish) skin surfaces between extraction sites". In fact, I'm talking about extraction sites from your 1st HST procedure just 6 month (!!) before having your 2nd treatment. And guess what I can see at the moment ...

After so many month - even in this former extraction sites (1st HST) hair REGENERATED!! These hairs are DEFINITELY not any resting-stage/new anagen hairs! These hairs are definitely regenerated hairs from your 1st HST procedure!
At the moment, I'm looking how many such (former) extraction sites I can find ...

And there is another problem:
I'm in my early 40s - I'm not a race horse anymore ...

[gc83uk]

Yup - seems it's true - BUT ...

It seems, that -for instance- even such an extraction site as site #6, is still "prone to" produce hairs even beyond 9 month! Why?

Initially (9 month ago), I always thought "what the hell is this or that?". I'm not talking about extraction sites from 9 month ago, I'm talking about "strange (reddish/yellow/pinkish) skin surfaces between extraction sites". In fact, I'm talking about extraction sites from your 1st HST procedure just 6 month (!!) before having your 2nd treatment. And guess what I can see at the moment ...

After so many month - even in this former extraction sites (1st HST) hair REGENERATED!! These hairs are DEFINITELY not any resting-stage/new anagen hairs! These hairs are definitely regenerated hairs from your 1st HST procedure!
At the moment, I'm looking how many such (former) extraction sites I can find ...

And there is another problem:
I'm in my early 40s - I'm not a race horse anymore ...

Excellent work. Very intriguing. But I think your job is almost an impossible task to find many of those extraction points from HST1.

Very encouraging though, because it means that the hairs that haven't regenerated so far from HST2 could still emerge in the following months.

And Didi, yes it feels like they have tried to bury this Gho section by doing exactly that, regarding the 1cm2 thing, I will do that, but probably this weekend at the earliest.

[JJJJrS]

Excellent pictures gc! There's already a lot we can learn just from the pictures you've posted. I'm also looking forward to the donor/recipient pictures from the second day of your procedure.

It's amazing how much progress you've made since you first started. It looks like you're well on your way to covering the bald spot. For someone with scarring alopecia, I think HST/HSI is the only way you can go so I'm glad you made the right choice and maybe people in similar circumstances will get some hope from your case.

[gc83uk]

Excellent pictures gc! There's already a lot we can learn just from the pictures you've posted. I'm also looking forward to the donor/recipient pictures from the second day of your procedure.

It's amazing how much progress you've made since you first started. It looks like you're well on your way to covering the bald spot. For someone with scarring alopecia, I think HST/HSI is the only way you can go so I'm glad you made the right choice and maybe people in similar circumstances will get some hope from your case.

Thanks mate. I'm going to need at least another 1600 in the mid-scalp and some hairline work would top it off for me the year after, 18 months from now. I'm getting married about 18 months from now, so it would be good timing!

I never thought I'd even be contemplating what I just said, but I'm hugely impressed. Initially before I got on this treadmill I was just wanting to ditch the hair piece and get 'some' hair on my mid scalp and buzz it so it looked as if I had lost hair naturally, which would have been perfectly acceptable to me, but hey I'm going to go as far as I can with it.

Yes I'll be posting pics of the recipient area.

Not sure if there is much point in taking further photos of the donor, unless we want to prove regrowth again, I'll take one tonight seeing as its only day 2 technically it's not too late.

Question for you and I.M or anyone else, do you suggest I take medication to keep what other hair I have in my crown and forelock? MPB combined with scarring alopecia is the devil. I've always been against the idea personally, mainly because I didn't think I had much to hold on to anyway, but it's got me thinking now!

[clarence]

Maybe I'd go for the larger distance in implanting the hairs, to minimize thinning out the donor area, regardless of regeneration rate...

... or will HST injections into the donor zone itself bring back (some of) the hairs, which originally fail to regenerate in the donor area? Can I theoretically restore density in the donor area using HST in itself (approaching 100% with each procedure), or are those follicles gone forever?

[didi]

i think one more big hsi session is all you need to give you higher density,

im not sure what are the density limits of hsi, hst is 50 per cm2.


do you have mpb and scring alopecia, losing hair on crown? id stay away from pills, you are getting married and your perfomance will suffer

[JJJJrS]

Thanks mate. I'm going to need at least another 1600 in the mid-scalp and some hairline work would top it off for me the year after, 18 months from now. I'm getting married about 18 months from now, so it would be good timing!

Congrats on getting married! You can probably fit in one more procedure until the wedding and after that point you should have a decent amount of coverage. Either way, I'm sure it won't be too long until you reach your goals.

Yes I'll be posting pics of the recipient area.

Not sure if there is much point in taking further photos of the donor, unless we want to prove regrowth again, I'll take one tonight seeing as its only day 2 technically it's not too late.

If it's not too much trouble, try to take some pictures of the donor again. The reason I'd like to do one more donor analysis is because I think there's a couple of new things we can learn from your case that haven't been looked at before.

First, since you have a perfect before picture, we can include that in our analysis. This would end the "graft splitting" theory. It would also allow us to get an insight into the type of grafts HASCI targets for extractions, particularly based on the the number of hairs in the grouping and its configuration. From there we can see how these grafts regenerate compared to before.

Second, there's a reasonable chance that HASCI extracted some of the same grafts from your previous procedure. If that's the case, we can look at the survival rate and regeneration process for grafts which have been extracted multiple times.

Question for you and I.M or anyone else, do you suggest I take medication to keep what other hair I have in my crown and forelock? MPB combined with scarring alopecia is the devil. I've always been against the idea personally, mainly because I didn't think I had much to hold on to anyway, but it's got me thinking now!

I understand how you feel, and if there was a proven, side-effect free treatment that could halt or slow the hairloss process, I would be on it in a second.

Unfortunately, I've read way too many horror stories online of people suffering serious, sometimes long-term, side-effects from using Propecia/finasteride and I personally would not be able to recommend it. Based on my observations, I think the percentage of people getting these side-effects are much, much higher than Merck or some of the Propecia supporters let on.

I'm not a doctor or biologist, but thinking about it logically, with Propecia, you're suppressing a naturally occurring, essential hormone like DHT. To me doing something like that for the sustained period finasteride requires you to be on doesn't seem like a good idea. That doesn't mean everyone will suffer side-effects but the risk isn't worth the reward in my opinion. As much as I'd love to halt my hairloss, it isn't worth the trouble of some of these possible side-effects.

[didi]

i was on propecia 10 years ago, was takin it for about a year and i stopped bc of sides
it worked well i must say, stopped or slowed down hairloss but at what cost?

When i dropped it I was like hor#ny dog, juice levels got back up, so happy i stopped

spence was on it for 20 years and he will tell you it didnt affect his libido, but how does he know that? wht is he comparing it against?he was on it for too long and theres no way for him to know how his libido would have been had he not taken it in the first place


besides we dont know if he is on Merks payroll

[534623]

i was on propecia 10 years ago, was takin it for about a year and i stopped bc of sides
it worked well i must say, stopped or slowed down hairloss but at what cost?

When i dropped it I was like hor#ny dog, juice levels got back up, so happy i stopped

spence was on it for 20 years and he will tell you it didnt affect his libido, but how does he know that? wht is he comparing it against?he was on it for too long and theres no way for him to know how his libido would have been had he not taken it in the first place

I recommend him watching a porn ...

... and he will know.

...besides we dont know if he is on Merks payroll

If Propecia is working so good for him,
why the hell is he using 2 liter hair spray every day and even a hair piece?
Ahhh, forgot …

If you don't use it - you will lose it!