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  • didi
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2011
    • 1360

    #31
    did you guys get free hotel or you paid it yourself, they only give you one free night if im right?

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    • Arashi
      Senior Member
      • Aug 2012
      • 3888

      #32
      Got an answer from Kristel regarding the failed extractions. I asked her why some people including me heard a lot more drilling than succesful extractions. She answered that this could be due 2 things:
      1) re-drills of the same graft and/or
      2) 'dry' drills that do not really go into the skin, for example disentangle the drill or clean the drill.

      Since the C5000 analysis of the extraction points revealed that there weren't THAT many more extraction points on his scalp than succesful extractions (while he also experienced a lot more drilling than succesful extractions), this answer could indeed explain just that ...

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      • Arashi
        Senior Member
        • Aug 2012
        • 3888

        #33
        And then there are of course the real failed extractions, but according to her, the amount of extraction points for 1600 grafts wouldn't be higher than about 2500 (which would be inline with the C5000 analysis).

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        • Arashi
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2012
          • 3888

          #34
          And personally, I really believe her answer BUT I'm also convinced that when, in my case, the *assistant* technician took over and totally sent the drill/extraction ratio down the drain (20 drills for 3 extractions) this wasn't just to re-drilling and/or drill cleaning. In other words, in my opinion Kristel described what happens when the *technician* does the drilling, not when the assistant or office manager (or anyone else but a technician) takes over. Next time I'm going there and when the assistant takes over when the technician has a break, I'll give her a chance but if after a few cycles the ratio stays that bad, I'll suggest to wait for the technician to come back in.

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          • 534623
            Senior Member
            • Oct 2011
            • 1854

            #35


            I still think they made a little more than 5000 holes in your donor area.
            But maybe far more since the extraction ratio was around 20:3.

            By the way - I thought you counted all noises you could hear of the foot pedals/clicks?
            Now you counted (in addition?) all noises of the extraction tool as extractions/holes??

            So what? Man - stop using the really hard stuff:
            In the same moment when he comes with an (new) "answer" - he is still asking the same bullshit ...

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            • Arashi
              Senior Member
              • Aug 2012
              • 3888

              #36
              Originally posted by 534623
              Hmmm isn't this just exactly what I said here above ?

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              • Arashi
                Senior Member
                • Aug 2012
                • 3888

                #37
                And also Kristel confirmed that possibly there were 2500 extraction points, exactly like in that quoted post. So, I'm not sure what you want to say with it ?

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                • Arashi
                  Senior Member
                  • Aug 2012
                  • 3888

                  #38
                  And I can quote posts of yours in which you even denied failed extractions existed and you called me all kinds of names for even suggesting they did exist. But let's not look at history, forget about that and let's look ahead instead.

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                  • 534623
                    Senior Member
                    • Oct 2011
                    • 1854

                    #39
                    Originally posted by didi

                    I think iron man works for hasci, i never heard him criticize Gho, not even once...

                    just admit it
                    That's correct - in fact, I'm Dr. Gho's imagined SHADOW.
                    Do you have a problem with shadows?

                    @gc - there lots of guys out there who can't wait any longer for your VOODOO photos ...

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                    • Arashi
                      Senior Member
                      • Aug 2012
                      • 3888

                      #40
                      Originally posted by didi
                      I think iron man works for hasci, i never heard him criticize Gho, not even once...

                      just admit it
                      IM is German. In one of his screenshots it showed google.de (I think it was the one to translate the swedish website into english) and he makes a German/English phonetic conversion spelling error every now and then which confirms that. But even without it, I think it would be absurd to suggest he's working for Gho, I don't think I'd have to explain that ...

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                      • gc83uk
                        Senior Member
                        • Nov 2011
                        • 1339

                        #41
                        Originally posted by Arashi
                        IM is German. In one of his screenshots it showed google.de (I think it was the one to translate the swedish website into english) and he makes a German/English phonetic conversion spelling error every now and then which confirms that. But even without it, I think it would be absurd to suggest he's working for Gho, I don't think I'd have to explain that ...
                        ha, well maybe, but I also noticed his Youtube video was posted on youtube.be, so if I had to guess I'd say he's from Belgium.

                        Anyway, I had a further 800 grafts today, I asked for more (specifically to Rolf), but he said 'the donor is used'. Slightly frustrating, but also it's equally sensible, I'm more than happy to have had 1600 grafts over these two days, especially when I was told I was only having 1400.

                        I'll be booking in again for 9 months time as agreed with Gho for a further 2 days of treatment.

                        Hasci seem to be improving all the time, today I came at 7am, got started with the extractions at approx 7.30 and everything complete by approx 12. I was expecting it to take much much longer, as it did last time with less grafts!

                        Gho said to me today he will be offering the 'stick and place' method HSI to 'normal patients' from now. Clearly the more times they do this method the quicker they are getting, which has to be good news.

                        I've taken approx 70 odd photos last night, however I can't be sure which area is exactly the area Iron Man was monitoring. I've looked at my photos, on my fileden account but I think it will be better if I upload the entire lot to a dropbox account and if Iron Man wants to go through them I'm sure he will find the perfect photo.

                        Happy to do that IM?

                        Alternatively I'll just select a few photos which I think is the area that was being monitored.

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                        • didi
                          Senior Member
                          • Nov 2011
                          • 1360

                          #42
                          great news your donors still in great shape

                          it mean hst is on the way out

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                          • gc83uk
                            Senior Member
                            • Nov 2011
                            • 1339

                            #43
                            Originally posted by didi
                            great news your donors still in great shape

                            it mean hst is on the way out
                            Thanks. However I don't think HST is on the way out. I think he will offer a choice of the two. He said today he can't do 1400 stick in place in 1 day, which is the disadvantage of HSI right there.

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                            • 534623
                              Senior Member
                              • Oct 2011
                              • 1854

                              #44
                              Originally posted by gc83uk
                              ha, well maybe, but I also noticed his Youtube video was posted on youtube.be, so if I had to guess I'd say he's from Belgium.
                              Just because I speak German - it doesn't mean I'm from Germany. Actually, I'm Swiss - or something.
                              Who knows ...

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                              • 534623
                                Senior Member
                                • Oct 2011
                                • 1854

                                #45
                                Originally posted by gc83uk

                                I've taken approx 70 odd photos last night, however I can't be sure which area is exactly the area Iron Man was monitoring. I've looked at my photos, on my fileden account but I think it will be better if I upload the entire lot to a dropbox account and if Iron Man wants to go through them I'm sure he will find the perfect photo.

                                Happy to do that IM?
                                Seriously, I wonder about myself, for what purpose ...

                                ... I posted THIS pic in THIS thread yesterday.

                                pffffft - sometimes i really think I'm just dreaming such things (posts like gc's new post/question... on the other hand, maybe Gho punished him and injected gc "stuff", because he recently attacked heavily his shadow)

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