What would you like to see from future HST patients?

[JJJJrS]

More and more forum posters are getting the HST procedure. Rather then cluttering up existing threads, I thought it would be good to start a thread where people can discuss exactly what they'd like to see from future patients.

Please try to be as detailed as possible. Any helpful suggestions would also be greatly appreciated.

[JJJJrS]

Here is what exactly what I want to see: We haven't gotten this from ONE forum member besides GC and (it wasn't so relevant because he didn't have hairline work and he did HSI not HST)

1) A before picture of the recipient

2) An after picture of the recipient, INCLUDING HAIRLINE, of good solid growth that looks aesthetically natural

We haven't gotten this from ONE MEMBER?! Yes, Scissor Boy looks great as does Wesley Schneider, but how bout CannonBall, Damielmillo, NeversayNever, NeedHairASAP, all you guys, how bout one shot of a grown out recipient, please!!!! Donor regrowth is cool, but when I'm on a date or at a bar, a girl is not staring at my donor....

Now that the months have gone by and the results should be taking shape, I would also love to see an update from those posters.

[JJJJrS]

I'll make a few requests after doing Iron_Man's analysis. For future patients who want to have their donor regrowth examined and get as realistic a regrowth figure as possible, I'd encourage you to do a few things:

1. First and foremost, the pictures have to be clear and zoomed in enough that the hairs can be individually counted. If you can't count the hairs easily, than others probably won't be able to either. Practice before the procedure and try to get pictures like 534623/Iron_Man (example) and gc83uk did. There's a lot of good advice for that if you have the patience to search through this forum.

2. Shave the donor area 2-3 weeks after the procedure. If you let your hair grow more than a week, it can become a mess. The hairs will get in the way and it will be very hard to count. For example, compare how much harder it is to analyze gc83uk's day 10 picture than his shaved, day 13 picture:



3. Draw some reference points with a non-permanent marker/pen. When the donor area heals up, which can happen in as little as 5 days, it is very hard to determine where everything is. A few reference points can help greatly with that.

Most importantly, in my opinion:

4. Take a clear, zoomed-in picture of the shaved, donor area before the procedure. Up to this point, nobody has done such a thing. This would completely settle the issue of graft splitting. For example, with these pictures you could see exactly which grafts HASCI extracts (1, 2 or 3-hair follicular units) and then see exactly how these follicles regenerate in the weeks after the procedure, i.e., if they extract a 3-hair unit, does it eventually regenerate as a 3-hair, 2-hair, or 1-hair unit. If anyone wants to add something new to the growing collection of documentation, this one is huge in my opinion.

[neversaynever]

Now that the months have gone by and the results should be taking shape, I would also love to see an update from those posters.

Ive had very very slow growth in recepient. Very average yield of about 60% and hairs are still thin, donor looks completely clean, definate regrowth even in areas where they extracted in large clusters.

I had 1200 grafts, difficult case for them on the day.

At the time of my HST there was a heatwave in London and my apartment was like an oven, wondering if that effected my result. But i can say things are improving slowly.

[garethbale]

Although the donor pictures seem superb, lack of scarring etc, I am yet to be convinced by the recipient areas. Has Gho done the procedure on someone and given them a thick, full hairline? I only seem to see pictures of guys who have their hair shaved where it doesn't appear that thick.

Wesley Sneijder's result is good but still a bit thin IMO

[534623]

Ive had very very slow growth in recepient. Very average yield of about 60% and hairs are still thin...

This is what you wrote 1 month ago ...

Receipient, there is growth. Good growth, i couldnt give you a % figure. I dont want to post my pictures for a very good reason.

So how about the "good growth" story? Maybe the hair growth slowed down now 1 month later - who knows ...

[Brock Landers]

talked to your Dr?

NeverSayNever,

Did you talk to your Dr. about the slow growth and thin hairs? Is this normal after 7 months? Do HST grafts take longer to grow in thicker? A little disappointing to hear this, hopefully the growth accelerates over the next few months.

[Jairus]

Neversaynever do you have any pics?

If not what is your guesstimation on % donor regeneration?

[Kirby_]

In future, I'd like to see less thread-clogging infighting between HST patients....

[didi]

get hasci to provide patients with full graft breakdown;1s,2s n 3s
pay more attention to RECEPIENT area, we have seen lot of good photos of donor regrowth but not many recipient photos, ...it should be focus in 2013

Starting with GC in JAnuary

[neversaynever]

This is what you wrote 1 month ago ...


So how about the "good growth" story? Maybe the hair growth slowed down now 1 month later - who knows ...

I thought in the last month it would improve, but hasnt very much. Im not disapointed with my hst.

Havent spoken to gho about it, yet.

Donor is pristine, i cut my hair grade 0 short, cant see any sign of hst with the naked eye. I looked closely to one area which they harvested alot of grafts in tight groups. above 70% regeneration in that area. No visible scars.

One thing, and i dont want to start a fight or massive heated debate (which is why i try avoid hst threads). Pre existing vellus hairs have thickened. Not quite terminal, but just improved in the frontal third of my scalp. Im not sure if thats because of hst? Either way, I like it and because of the change I started using meds to keep it this way.

Sorry no pics.

[534623]

I thought in the last month it would improve, but hasnt very much. Im not disapointed with my hst.

Havent spoken to gho about it, yet.

If I recall remember correctly, you had your procedure on May 21, 2012 - right?
So you have just passed the 7th month. You have to wait at least (minimum) 9 month until you can make (pre-)conclusions about the outcome.
This is the part from Dr. Gho's paper, HST patients have to understand - and this is not new:

In traditional hair transplantation, the majority of implanted hairs would fall out quickly after implantation and re-growth would occur within 3–6 months.
In our study, re-growth started 5–8 months after implantation, but could sometimes take more than 12 months. This phenomenon was revealed in other hair transplantation studies with dissected hair follicles (15).

Patience is a virtue - he he, damn "doldrums".

By the way, after my implantation part, they always show the patient with a mirror their implantation work like hairdressers after getting your haircut. Anyway, I mentioned in this moment "I hope that they all will grow..." - one of the technicians punished me immediately hefty with a loud "THEY WILL GROW!!"

[JJJJrS]

If I recall remember correctly, you had your procedure on May 21, 2012 - right?
So you have just passed the 7th month. You have to wait at least (minimum) 9 month until you can make (pre-)conclusions about the outcome.
This is the part from Dr. Gho's paper, HST patients have to understand - and this is not new:


Patience is a virtue - he he, damn "doldrums".

I'm a big fan of football/soccer so I remember following Wesley Sneijder before I ever heard of HST/Gho. Having hair loss, I always notice other people's hair now, especially athletes, celebrities Anyway, after a short winter break, I remember him coming back with sudden hair growth which surprised me. After reading into it, I learned that he had his procedure in December of that year and the result looked practically perfect after only a month, which I had never seen before with any traditional hair transplant. Unlike Wayne Rooney, I'm nearly certain he didn't use any concealer either. I think gc83uk and a few other HST patients also said they managed to hold onto their transplanted hair after their procedures.

For me, it's interesting how you can have those two extremes. One group who hold onto their transplanted hairs and see their finished results quickly and others who have slower results than traditional transplants. Is there anything you can attribute to this or do to increase your chances of seeing early results or is it just luck?


Also, neversaynever, please continue to keep us updated, for good or bad. Every result is worth noting.

[534623]

For me, it's interesting how you can have those two extremes. One group who hold onto their transplanted hairs and see their finished results quickly and others who have slower results than traditional transplants. Is there anything you can attribute to this or do to increase your chances of seeing early results or is it just luck?

I think this is rather "luck". You WILL see -on average- 2 different scenarios during the the first 8 weeks after the procedure:



Some implanted grafts/follicles will "take" already (pic 1), but the majority of the implanted grafts will shed up to 8 weeks after the procedure (pic 2).

I got an information email today – here is a snippet:

“Meanwhile you have washed your hair with shampoo and most of the crusts are gone. Probably you have noticed that you have lost some short transplanted hairs. This can happen up to 8 weeks after the treatment but it has no consequences for the final result, because the hairstemcells are firmly attached to the skin.”

[garethbale]

Sneijder's result does look good, but are there any pictures of thicker recipient areas that don't need to be shaved down?