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  • Gandolf
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2011
    • 198

    #31
    Originally posted by 534623
    Maybe they are forced to do this – contrary to Dr. Gho?
    Maybe. Or maybe Gho doesn't have any mindblowing results at this time and is "forced" to just use what he's got on the website.

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    • Gandolf
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2011
      • 198

      #32
      Originally posted by hellouser
      Seeing how Gho is booked for quite a while, there really isnt that great of an urge to further the long wait for new patients. Any further marketing and he'd be jeopardizing his clinics by overloading them for years, not months. You don't want to tell potential patients the waiting list is years long. Its a one man operation, basically, I dont know of any partners/investors Gho has, so I would imagine its not exactly easy to open up more clinics and overlook all of them WHILE performing the procedures as well. That's a lot of work he has on his plate.
      This is not accurate, Gho has multiple clinics and multiple other doctors already performing the procedure.

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      • Arashi
        Senior Member
        • Aug 2012
        • 3888

        #33
        Originally posted by Gandolf
        This is not accurate, Gho has multiple clinics and multiple other doctors already performing the procedure.
        He has a few clinics but they all already have months of waiting lists. The problem with expansion for Gho is training of the technicians and doctors. It takes a lot of time for a technician to become really skilled at the extraction process (the smaller the needle, the more difficult it becomes of course).

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        • didi
          Senior Member
          • Nov 2011
          • 1360

          #34
          how do you explain the fact that hasci finds it easier to extract multiple hair grafts than extracting single hair grafts?

          its hard to understand how is that possible but thats what they claim

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          • 534623
            Senior Member
            • Oct 2011
            • 1854

            #35
            Originally posted by didi
            how do you explain the fact that hasci finds it easier to extract multiple hair grafts than extracting single hair grafts?

            its hard to understand how is that possible but thats what they claim
            Right, they KNOW that it is easier to make 4 follicles from 2 follicles (2-hair grafts) and it is even much more easier for them to make 6 follicles from 3 follicles (3-hair grafts).

            The problem is rather that someone can try to explain this individuals a hundred thousand times - they still ask the same question over and over again.

            The answer to this question is now more than 7 years old (question 4) ...



            ... and you can find the same answer in Dr. Gho's published HST papers, in both Kobren/Gho interviews straight from Dr. Gho's mouth, and finally, for all those who still don't know, in IronMan's HST banana demo thread in another forum.

            So, didi - now explain in this thread how it works, why it works, and finally, why it's easier to extract multiple hair grafts with such small (special) needles.

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            • didi
              Senior Member
              • Nov 2011
              • 1360

              #36
              'Because the needle is much smaller than the follicle unit, it is almost impossible to extract to much tissue'


              Looking at the HST graft pic

              its impossible to extract too much tissue BUT it is possible to extract too little of tissue that will cause 2 hair graft to grow as 1 hair graft in recepient.

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              • 534623
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2011
                • 1854

                #37
                Originally posted by didi
                'Because the needle is much smaller than the follicle unit, it is almost impossible to extract to much tissue'
                What you quote, explains just the reason in general why you can make 2 hairs from 1.

                But it doesn't explain THE reason

                1) what exactly makes it possible at all (easily extracting lesser follicle tissue than necessary);

                2) why it's easier for them to extract multiple grafts (2-hair and especially 3-hair grafts) rather than single hair grafts?

                Quote the proper sentence!

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                • didi
                  Senior Member
                  • Nov 2011
                  • 1360

                  #38
                  'Follicular Units consists of 2 to 4 hairs. Since one hair follicle has a diameter of at least 0.5 mm . the diameter of a follicular unit is at least 0.8 to 0.9mm. Hairs consists of dead material and have a harder consistency than the hair follicle itself.

                  Because we use special needles between 0.5 and 0.6mm., depending on the size of the hair follicles, we are able to use the “dead hard hairs” (black arrows as a guidance to obtain the hair stem cells (blue arrows) present in the hair follicles between the “dead hard hairs”.


                  i see, so double hair grafts would be the easiest ones to extract, 3s can be challanging if they grow in odd configuration

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                  • 534623
                    Senior Member
                    • Oct 2011
                    • 1854

                    #39
                    Originally posted by didi
                    'Follicular Units consists of 2 to 4 hairs. Since one hair follicle has a diameter of at least 0.5 mm . the diameter of a follicular unit is at least 0.8 to 0.9mm. Hairs consists of dead material and have a harder consistency than the hair follicle itself.

                    Because we use special needles between 0.5 and 0.6mm., depending on the size of the hair follicles, we are able to use the “dead hard hairs” (black arrows as a guidance to obtain the hair stem cells (blue arrows) present in the hair follicles between the “dead hard hairs”.


                    i see, so double hair grafts would be the easiest ones to extract, 3s can be challanging if they grow in odd configuration
                    This still doesn't HIGHLIGHT the reason. It contains THE reason for 1) and 2) from my previous post, but still doesn't HIGHLIGHT the reason.

                    If I would do all this for you - I'm 100% sure - you ask the same bullshit tomorrow (if not already today) again. Same issue as with your 3-hair paranoia - you ask the same shit over and over again.

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                    • 534623
                      Senior Member
                      • Oct 2011
                      • 1854

                      #40
                      Originally posted by 534623

                      - I'm 100% sure - you ask the same bullshit tomorrow (if not already today) again. Same issue as with your 3-hair paranoia - you ask the same shit over and over again.
                      By the way ...

                      What do we know now about HST and its limitations? 1) max density is 50 to 60 FUs/cm2 (can't copy mother nature with HST) 2) 60 000 Euros for fully operational studio 3) HST is much more labour intensive than FUE 4) confirmed no splitting of grafts takes place(3 hair follicle grows as 3 hair follicle in recepient)


                      ... what part exactly of your own answer, you still don't understand yourself??

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                      • didi
                        Senior Member
                        • Nov 2011
                        • 1360

                        #41
                        My 3 hair paranoia?...well, not really, aparently hasci made a mistake on their website and now instead of 2.5 grafts they say average hairs per graft is 2.0...hmm..drop of .5 hairs per graft....

                        sometimes you got to ask right questions, im unbiased n always ask lot of HARD questions , sometimes i ask the same questions over n over but it pays off at the end...

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                        • Jasari
                          Senior Member
                          • May 2011
                          • 251

                          #42
                          "Maksimal sekitar 3000 graft dapatditransplantasi per hari per perawatan."

                          That roughly translates to 'A maximum of 3000 grafts can be transplanted per day'.

                          Am I mistaken or is this an increase from what they previously allowed in terms of grafts per day??

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                          • gc83uk
                            Senior Member
                            • Nov 2011
                            • 1339

                            #43
                            No your not mistaken, the previous maximum was approx 2520 (which is still mentioned on the main hasci.com website.)

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                            • 534623
                              Senior Member
                              • Oct 2011
                              • 1854

                              #44
                              Originally posted by Jasari

                              That roughly translates to 'A maximum of 3000 grafts can be transplanted per day'.
                              Cooool. That means they will make soon 6000-9000 holes in gc83uk's donor area - to get the 3000 grafts for his recipient area.

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                              • didi
                                Senior Member
                                • Nov 2011
                                • 1360

                                #45
                                its just marketing hype

                                i wouldnt go by what they say on their website

                                almost everyone gets around 1500,

                                i have 4-5000 grafts avail and they still offer me only 1400, even though i was willing to have 2 day procedure to double the number of grafts


                                id be surprised if someone gets 2000 with indonesian team as they are least experienced; amsterdam team have hard time extracting that many grafts

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