The Ironman Procedure

[534623]

How do we identify failed extractions as opposed to actual regrowth?

Simply by looking in YOUR petri-dish. If there are just 30 - 80 (if at all) failed grafts in 1 separate section marked with a cross, star or smiley, then you'll know that 30-80 regrown extraction sites, which are spread all over the whole donor area, will be regrowth sites of failed extractions. These can be sometimes the first regrowth sites to see, sometimes they are equally fast with all the other extraction sites.

You'll find such petri-dish photos in this thread.

[Arashi]

Simply by looking in YOUR petri-dish. If there are just 30 - 80 (if at all) failed grafts in 1 separate section marked with a cross, star or smiley, then you'll know that 30-80 regrown extraction sites, which are spread all over the whole donor area, will be regrowth sites of failed extractions. These can be sometimes the first regrowth sites to see, sometimes they are equally fast with all the other extraction sites.

You'll find such petri-dish photos in this thread.

Come on man, stop posting rubbish and show JJJJr's your pic's. He still doesn't believe hairs actually grow back. He thinks the GC83UK photo's are fake, Tobian and mine are unclear, C5000 he doesn't trust, so he really need yours to see hairs actually grow back !

[Arashi]

btw, re Dr Nigam: Obi never reported back from yesterday's visit to his office. Rumour has it he died when Dr Nigam tried to transplant goat hair stem cells onto his scalp.

[Jairus]

Simply by looking in YOUR petri-dish. If there are just 30 - 80 (if at all) failed grafts in 1 separate section marked with a cross, star or smiley, then you'll know that 30-80 regrown extraction sites, which are spread all over the whole donor area, will be regrowth sites of failed extractions. These can be sometimes the first regrowth sites to see, sometimes they are equally fast with all the other extraction sites.

You'll find such petri-dish photos in this thread.

No Bosco I was referring to a way of identifying these on the pics.
Do you know yourself? Or is it a case of taking a general overview of the whole donor site?

[didi]

No Bosco I was referring to a way of identifying these on the pics.
Do you know yourself? Or is it a case of taking a general overview of the whole donor site?

I dont think theres a way you can tell by looking at pics,
it seems all these fighting over 'failed extractions' was unnecesary

conclusion? Failed extractions are not as high as feared, confirmed by counting

Whats next

[Arashi]

I dont think theres a way you can tell by looking at pics,
it seems all these fighting over 'failed extractions' was unnecesary

conclusion? Failed extractions are not as high as feared, confirmed by counting

Whats next

Within 3 weeks we'll have the GC83UK pics which will for once and all confirm this. But since HASCI now states that the 80% doesn't include failed extractions, in theory they shouldn't even matter. Still would be nice to see it in the GC83UK case.

Next important thing would be the number of 1s, 2s, 3s, as HASCI is the only clinic out there who doesn't supply these numbers and some people have reported thin recipient and suspect that mostly 1s got transplanted.

[didi]

Next important thing would be the number of 1s, 2s, 3s, as HASCI is the only clinic out there who doesn't supply these numbers and some people have reported thin recipient and suspect that mostly 1s got transplanted.[/QUOTE]



You see thats the thing, hasci uses one partition of petri dish for failed extractions, other 2 partitions for good grafts BUT they dont separate grafts and as a result you got 1s 2s and 3s all mixed up...NO GOOD


i dont see the reason why hasci cant get rid off 'failed ext' part and make better use of partitions of petri dish, they can use one part for 1s, one for 2s and one for 3s/4s...failed grafts can go in ashtray as far as we are concerned..true?..Put them in seperate petri..

Tht way patient knows exactly what he is getting for his money and that is not big ask, think logiclly....unless thats where the big secret is(if there is one)..

Should we push hasci to do that, we as customers have the power to chnge things and we are not asking for much

[534623]

Wow. Good luck to you Iron_Man. Can't wait to see how things turn out.

Sorry guys,
I couldn't make an update in the "IronMan’s hair multiplication ride …" thread in the other forum, because P.T Barnum from India freaked out (I grilled him - actually, just a little bit and even without using a "bad language" he he) and therefore I'm unable at the moment to make an update over there.

Anyway, in this Dutch thread (use Google's translator, if necessary) ...

http://www.haarweb.nl/forum/showthread.php?t=31714

- there you'll find what most guys (I think) have been waiting for so long - namely "Gho's thin looking HT's" lol ...

[sanook]

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[JJJJrS]

I've completed an analysis of 126(!) extraction points from Iron_Man's right ear area. It doesn't cover the entire area but I don't think I can count anymore without going crazy Regardless, I feel that's more than enough extraction points to give us a general idea.

Right Ear, Day 3 - Analysis
Right Ear, Day 7 - Analysis
Right Ear, Day 1 - Analysis (some extraction points missing)

Due to the length of some hairs which obscured extraction points, there were a number of inconclusive points.

Nevertheless, based on my analysis, approximately 70% of Iron_Man's extraction points regenerated hair, 7 days after his HST procedure.

I've provided my rough draft analysis below.

Right Ear, Day 3 - Rough Draft
Right Ear, Day 7 - Rough Draft

In this rough draft, I mapped Iron_Man's right ear area. For any extraction point, the surrounding hairs are marked in red and given as references.

I encourage anyone to examine the analysis. If there's anything that doesn't seem right, please bring it to my attention.

[Brock Landers]

With everything healed up by day 7, i don't know how u can tell which hairs were which....?

[534623]

With everything healed up by day 7, i don't know how u can tell which hairs were which....?

Simply via finding the exact same (extraction)position/site again.

For this, you can use different methods:

- making lines/connections between the not extracted FU’s/hairs (as JJJJrS partially did);

- simply first by looking at the not extracted hairs PLUS always comparing with an already labelled (doing this, is step #1 for an analysis!) day 0, day 1 or day 2 or day 3 photo etc;

For example:
The 3 vertically positioned extraction sites right above my right ear, with the numbers 76, 77, 78 – is it really that difficult to find them again in every after photo just via simply looking??

Anyway, such rather very easy to find extraction sites, can serve as start point (if you don’t have a marker, birthmark or something) for making an analysis/comparisons; from where you can start, and then simply move always from these (found again) extraction sites to the next (nearest/neighbor) extractions sites and so on. Thereby, of course, you must always compare with already labelled before photos (day 0, day 1 etc).
A given hair growth structure is like a fingerprint; you WILL find exactly the same structure, even the position of a certain FU, even 50 years later and more. A given follicular structure in the skin doesn’t change at all (besides cycling of individual hairs within a given follicular unit), at least not dramatically over time. It’s like your nose; the position of your nose will not change dramatically over time – you will always find your nose in the middle of your face – and not suddenly on your forehead 30 years later or so …

@JJJJrS – damn good work! Thanks.
Now you know how “funny” (but also exciting!) such a work can be …

[Jairus]

Simply via finding the exact same (extraction)position/site again.

For this, you can use different methods:

- making lines/connections between the not extracted FU’s/hairs (as JJJJrS partially did);

- simply first by looking at the not extracted hairs PLUS always comparing with an already labelled (doing this, is step #1 for an analysis!) day 0, day 1 or day 2 or day 3 photo etc;

For example:
The 3 vertically positioned extraction sites right above my right ear, with the numbers 76, 77, 78 – is it really that difficult to find them again in every after photo just via simply looking??

Anyway, such rather very easy to find extraction sites, can serve as start point (if you don’t have a marker, birthmark or something) for making an analysis/comparisons; from where you can start, and then simply move always from these (found again) extraction sites to the next (nearest/neighbor) extractions sites and so on. Thereby, of course, you must always compare with already labelled before photos (day 0, day 1 etc).
A given hair growth structure is like a fingerprint; you WILL find exactly the same structure, even the position of a certain FU, even 50 years later and more. A given follicular structure in the skin doesn’t change at all (besides cycling of individual hairs within a given follicular unit), at least not dramatically over time. It’s like your nose; the position of your nose will not change dramatically over time – you will always find your nose in the middle of your face – and not suddenly on your forehead 30 years later or so …

@JJJJrS – damn good work! Thanks.
Now you know how “funny” (but also exciting!) such a work can be …

Thanks for the hard work boss - are the red circles marker points for identifying extractions? What do you reckon the overall regeneration % is yourself?

[534623]

What do you reckon the overall regeneration % is yourself?

I have just made (after washing the hair with head & shoulders) a new "ride" through my donor area with my video-microscope - as I'm doing this since day 3. Doing this, can be sometimes far more exciting, than watching an action movie ... and I also take, of course, lots of photos and/or short videos with the video-microscope.

I will pick some of them out, and will post a few of them here ...

[Jairus]

I have just made (after washing the hair with head & shoulders) a new "ride" through my donor area with my video-microscope - as I'm doing this since day 3. Doing this, can be sometimes far more exciting, than watching an action movie ... and I also take, of course, lots of photos and/or short videos with the video-microscope.

I will pick some of them out, and will post a few of them here ...

Great stuff cheers