The Ironman Procedure

[gc83uk]

I hereby declare, that we both do NOT work anymore "under 1 hat". That means, I do not need your photos anymore - to fake them thereafter.

Yes, it is true. It wasn't that difficult to paint some hairs (not too much, so that nobody become suspicious) onto all the FUE dots. I wonder myself, why still nobody noticed all this. I must be better than I thought ...

haha you must be so good that those painted hairs took you to the chair of Gho and fooled yourself. lol

Now stop being a Pu$$y ffs.

[Arashi]

But I must say it's hard to make a real educated guess about the drill amount. It might have been lower in my case. In fact, if Kristel mails me tomorrow that they drilled 'only' 4000 times, I'd have no reason to mistrust her. But if she said that the number was 3000 times, I'm SURE that that's incorrect. I'm sure because I counted quite a few times and it was VERY rare that out of 20 extractions she clicked more than 10 times. And that's even without the assistant, who dropped the ratio BADLY.

[JJJJrS]

Who's to say ? We just don't know. I know in my case that I heard around 5000-6000 drills. So how would you explain that ? That's by the way exactly the question I just emailed my doctor Kristel today, we'll see what she says.

Look at his donor pictures from the side of his head and near the scar, there's no way he has 5-6k extraction points. I can practically count all of them on the side of his head and there isn't anything even remotely near that amount.

LOL. Sorry but just can't do that.

Well, then you have some problems, I'm sorry to say. Did IM really bother you so much that you had to post pictures of your bank account (LOL!) and act like a child?

I really can't believe how some of you guys on these forums act like. I guess hair loss must have really disturbed some of you because this isn't normal behaviour. If you can't get along, just ignore each other and move the fuck on.

[Arashi]

Look at his donor pictures from the side of his head and near the scar, there's no way he has 5-6k extraction points. I can practically count all of them on the side of his head and there isn't anything even remotely near that amount.

Maybe. But why then doesn't he just want to post the proof ? We'd all be happy, right ?

I really can't believe how some of you guys on these forums act like. I guess hair loss must have really disturbed some of you because this isn't normal behaviour. If you can't get along, just ignore each other and move the fuck on.

Hey it's just an internet forum man. I'm sure Ironman behaves a lot better too in real life

[JJJJrS]

Maybe. But why then doesn't he just want to post the proof ? We'd all be happy, right ?

But is it really realistic to ask him to take pictures of his entire head and map it completely with high-resolution photos? So that we can count each and every extraction point and hair in the recipient. That's unreasonable.

Aren't 2-3 spots enough? I mean most people won't even post 1 clear, high-res pictures and IM has already supplied the best photos we've seen.

Hey it's just an internet forum man. I'm sure Ironman behaves a lot better too in real life

To be honest, I don't really care how you guys talk to each other if it was just some banter. But the problem is now IM seems to be legitimately pissed off or hurt by this and he's not posting his photos anymore. Clearly you guys are taking this personally and when that's the case, the best thing to do is stop and ignore each other instead of spending all day insulting each other for pages and pages.

[Arashi]

But is it really realistic to ask him to take pictures of his entire head and map it completely with high-resolution photos? So that we can count each and every extraction point and hair in the recipient. That's unreasonable.

I already offered to do the counting. I think we'd only need 6 pictures above his FUT scar and 6 below.

To be honest, I don't really care how you guys talk to each other if it was just some banter. But the problem is now IM seems to be legitimately pissed off or hurt by this and he's not posting his photos anymore. Clearly you guys are taking this personally and when that's the case, the best thing to do is stop and ignore each other instead of spending all day insulting each other for pages and pages.

LOL. You don't know IM. All this here is his life man, he'll be back for SURE, trust me He just enjoys the power of making you guys WANT his pictures

[gc83uk]

Look, I like Iron Man, hard to understand most of the time, but he has been influential in helping us understand HST.

However if he doesn't want to come back then that is fine. He will be missed for sure, but this can be done without him.

I'll be going mental with the camera on the next procedure.

JJJJrS, will you be going to Hasci in the near future?

[Arashi]

I'll be going mental with the camera on the next procedure.

Great new mate, can't wait to see your result in a few weeks !

[JJJJrS]

Look, I like Iron Man, hard to understand most of the time, but he has been influential in helping us understand HST.

However if he doesn't want to come back then that is fine. He will be missed for sure, but this can be done without him.

I'll be going mental with the camera on the next procedure.

I'll be here to analyse the pictures of your procedure in January, whether IM decides to post his pictures or not.

I hope IM reconsiders this, but even if he doesn't, all won't be lost.

JJJJrS, will you be going to Hasci in the near future?

Still haven't decided at this point. If the results and testimonials of all the patients who have went over the last few months turn out well, then I will strongly consider it.

[Arashi]

Look, I like Iron Man, hard to understand most of the time, but he has been influential in helping us understand HST.

For sure. If it wasn't for your case with his analysis, I might have never gotten to Gho and had a regular FUE instead. But still, there is so much info missing and we still know so little. Hopefully the answers our doctors will give AND your case will shine some bigger light on all of it.

[Arashi]

And to be honest, I really don't know what IM would have added with his own case. I mean, we still don't know ANYTHING about the 1s, 2s and 3s that they on average transplant. THAT is a really important aspect. We also don't know a lot about the failed extraction issue. I'm sure Ironman would have demonstrated regrowth (most probably in that 80-85% ballpark) but we have seen that now in other cases too, not sure what this would add to our current knowledge ...

[JJJJrS]

And to be honest, I really don't know what IM would have added with his own case. I mean, we still don't know ANYTHING about the 1s, 2s and 3s that they on average transplant. THAT is a really important aspect. We also don't know a lot about the failed extraction issue. I'm sure Ironman would have demonstrated regrowth (most probably in that 80-85% ballpark) but we have seen that now in other cases too, not sure what this would add to our current knowledge ...

Actually, nobody other than gc83uk has been able to do a hair count. I've been asking HASCI patients on all the forums for months now to post pictures and not a single one has ever produced clear pictures where I can count the grafts, other than gc and now Iron_Man. I'm sure you can confirm this, but taking these type of quality pictures is not easy at all.

The nice thing was that IM's photos were so clear that I could literally have an analysis done in 1 hour. Any average poster would easily be able to confirm the analysis also.

Most people are still not convinced in donor regeneration and hair multiplication. This type of analysis would have meant a lot in that regard. You might not get an exact figure but the analysis definitely would have shown whether donor regeneration was occurring. So I still hope IM reconsiders because we can gain a lot from this analysis.

[Arashi]

Actually, nobody other than gc83uk has been able to do a hair count. I've been asking HASCI patients on all the forums for months now to post pictures and not a single one has ever produced clear pictures where I can count the grafts, other than gc and now Iron_Man. I'm sure you can confirm this, but taking these type of quality pictures is not easy at all.

The nice thing was that IM's photos were so clear that I could literally have an analysis done in 1 hour. Any average poster would easily be able to confirm the analysis also.

Most people are still not convinced in donor regeneration and hair multiplication. This type of analysis would have meant a lot in that regard. You might not get an exact figure but the analysis definitely would have shown whether donor regeneration was occurring. So I still hope IM reconsiders because we can gain a lot from this analysis.

So you're saying that you're still not convinced that 80-85% of the hairs grow back ? I stopped counting in my own case when I saw at least 50% of the hairs growing back after a few days. I figured, since I didn't know about the failed extraction issue it was kind of useless, since all this could be just failed extractions growing back ...

[JJJJrS]

So you're saying that you're still not convinced that 80-85% of the hairs grow back ? I stopped counting in my own case when I saw at least 50% of the hairs growing back after a few days. I figured, since I didn't know about the failed extraction issue it was kind of useless, since all this could be just failed extractions growing back ...

I'm not saying that at all but a lot of people online are not convinced. Many of them are shills for other clinics, but many just want to see more documentation understandably.

From my perspective, I'm curious to see what percentage of IM's donor regenerates and whether the regenerated hairs are 1, 2 or 3-hair follicular units. I don't believe he had a lot of failed extractions at all so I think the hair count will be fairly accurate.

[c5000]

Jeez, I went out for dinner and come back on to find Iron_Man wants to delete his photos.

Fingers crossed he comes back, but I've continued taking photos, I'll upload them tonight or tomorrow and once its safe to shave my donor I'll do that and try to replicate IM's pics.

Well, if you don't come back Iron_Man, thanks for all your knowledge and effort and I hope the HST journey works out well for you. Take care mate.