The Ironman Procedure

[JJJJrS]

IM, I hope your upcoming procedure turns out flawless and that it's the beginning of a solution to your hair problems.

I totally agree with ccmethinning as well. I think your procedure has the potential to really change the hair transplant industry so please document your case if you can.

[534623]

... document your case if you can.

By the way, I read on a Swedish forum that a patient was in Maastrict for a consultation recently and after speaking to Gho at length, he was then chatting with some of the other hasci staff/technicians.... The techs were showing the prospective patient an email from a 'happy customer' (this was me) and they were showing the patient the documented thread which you made at hairsite showing the regrowth.

So it seems the Hasci staff are using those photos with the green and blue circles! You can read all that on a forum here http://www.lookgood.se/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=43318

censur – August 21, 2012 wrote (Swedish/English google translation):

At the meeting with Dr. Gho and his colleagues it was told that there are very many people who are interested in his technique, but they do not really feel they have seen enough evidence.
They had no well-documented cases that show me someone who transplanted 12000-13000 grafts, which was the maximum number someone had transplanted with them.
His colleagues, however, showed me an email from a very satisfied customer who made an extremely detailed documentation of regrowth in the donor, at this link:

http://www.hairxxxxxx

I could not really understand why they simply can not do better documentation themselves.

Now, that’s a really good question. Why?

I think the answer is pretty simple:
Without any doubts, and from my experience with documenting hair (re-)growth photos, it makes doubtlessly much more fun for them to earn thousands of Euros every day than making lots of macro-photos every day and precisely documenting each and every macro-photo thereafter, what’s finally far more time consuming – and time IS money.

Try the following:
Try to find a company and/or “expert”, send him all gc83uk’s untouched ORIGINAL photos (day 1 to day 15), and ask for an offer for a precise documentation of at least 50 extraction sites of his choice. In fact, they/he has to do the same work as I did. Anyway, even the cheapest offer, will still blow your socks off …

The only one in the hair science/hair transplant field, who honoured my documentation work with at least “Good work, IronMan!” has been Dr. Cole.

Anyway, to the best of my knowledge, gc83uk’s documentation is still UNIQUE on this planet in general, concerning “day-by-day documentation of tissue/hair follicle regeneration after wounding” – UNIQUE – and still verifiable!

Furthermore, gc83uk's case has been, in fact, a LIVE DOCUMENTION of tissue/hair follicle regeneration after wounding – a still very important topic in the tissue engineering field.

In simple words, therefore I consider “unique” as prize for THIS work.

[The Alchemist]

I think the answer is pretty simple:
Without any doubts, and from my experience with documenting hair (re-)growth photos, it makes doubtlessly much more fun for them to earn thousands of Euros every day than making lots of macro-photos every day and precisely documenting each and every macro-photo thereafter, what’s finally far more time consuming – and time IS money.

Yeah, sure that makes sense. Why take the time and effort to fully document two or three cases with marcro photos and provide undeniable evidence for your claims which could drive revenues higher by orders or magnitude, when you can skip all that effort and pocket a small fraction of your potential earnings. Makes perfect sense. Good excuse.

[534623]

Yeah, sure that makes sense. Why take the time and effort to fully document two or three cases with marcro photos and provide undeniable evidence for your claims which could drive revenues higher by orders or magnitude, when you can skip all that effort and pocket a small fraction of your potential earnings. Makes perfect sense. Good excuse.

My claims? Yup, that makes perfect sense.

[The Alchemist]

My claims? Yup, that makes perfect sense.

You're brain dead.

[534623]

You're brain dead.

Is this your claim - or somebody else's claim?

Should I analyze and document these claims?

[didi]

Some other hair doc With HST technology would be more agressive and have more shops then Gho has now but then again dont forget HST had its limits such as:

small sessions around 1500grafts(tahts what most seem to be getting), you have to wait 9months at least between procedures, to have 7500 grafts you need to wait almost 4 years and thats if you do it strictly every 9 months..if you do it full year apart its 5 years to have 7500 grafts.....long time for something Drs can do over a period of 1 year or even less...
In my opinion it is a HUGE drawback and thats where fue beats hst, you cant argue that.

4-5 years it long time, many people cbf'd waiting that long, would rrather have 2 sessions and get 7000-8000 grafts scalp and BHT and move on with life...
For example dr Umar can give you 10 000 grafts + in a period of 1 year and how long would take hst to get to that number...you see what I mean

If i was nw4 and under I wouldnt bother with hst, get FUE and end of story, scrw waiting,


maybe Gho isnt bad businessman, he just knows hst has limitations that wouldnt apeal to many people

HST is suitable for young cats as they can keep topping up as they balding progresses so they never have to be bald...



What you think guys

[534623]

What you think guys

I think you should choose Dr Umar, who can give you 10 000 grafts + in a period of 1 year.

[didi]

I think you should choose Dr Umar, who can give you 10 000 grafts + in a period of 1 year.

just sayin how many ppl would be put off by havin to wait 5 years to get 7000 grafts...

i know u r gho fan but cmmon,

when gho starts givin around 3000-4000 in one pass then it will be game changer..

small session is ok if you are scissorboy, he cld have done fue and wouldnt make any diff,...what if you are dean saunders, he needs 5 procedures..and thats 5 years to wait to see final result

hope gho increases sessions

spence said something similar:
'Cause I see these guys that only have 1500 grafts a shot, 2000 grafts a shot, and then have to wait a year between each procedure, so by the time to get 4000 grafts, with healing, it is going to be like 4 years. I mean it just seems like a long time in a young person’s life to wait for a result and to hope that they are actually getting scalp regeneration'

[534623]

lol stop pretending your HST is in April, it's clearly next week

Stop pretending my HST "is clearly NEXT week" ... nothing is clear ...

http://www.fileden.com/files/2012/3/15/3278666/IronMan-Flight.jpg

http://www.fileden.com/files/2012/3/15/3278666/Schiphol-Airport.jpg

http://www.fileden.com/files/2012/3/15/3278666/hsci-clinic.jpg

… and that’s what I can see right now
straight from my bed (president suit):

http://www.fileden.com/files/2012/3/15/3278666/Amsterdam-Zuid-Hotel-Room-View.jpg

No shit ...

[gc83uk]

Stop pretending my HST "is clearly NEXT week" ... nothing is clear ...

http://www.fileden.com/files/2012/3/15/3278666/IronMan-Flight.jpg

http://www.fileden.com/files/2012/3/15/3278666/Schiphol-Airport.jpg

http://www.fileden.com/files/2012/3/15/3278666/hsci-clinic.jpg

… and that’s what I can see right now
straight from my bed (president suit):

http://www.fileden.com/files/2012/3/15/3278666/Amsterdam-Zuid-Hotel-Room-View.jpg

No shit ...

haha WTF, let me think about this......

So you arrived in Amsterdam today (13th) and your having your treatment in the morning? If your are, then best of luck to you, you won't need it! Plus you've been waiting a long time for this!!!

Which Dr and Techs are doing your 2400 grafts?

BTW I will be amazed if you actually have that many grafts, only because I don't think anyone on the forums has had more than 1600 so far, I could be wrong.

[ccmethinning]

Wow. Good luck to you Iron_Man. Can't wait to see how things turn out.

[topcat]

Hey Ironman great you brought your camera looking forward to seeing the pictures in the morning

[534623]

haha WTF, let me think about this......

So you arrived in Amsterdam today (13th) and your having your treatment in the morning?

hmmm, maybe I arrived some days earlier just to check out Amsterdam's Red Light District...ehrm... I mean, museums and so on - who knows ...

[gc83uk]

lol yea right!

So come on then, how did it go? Did you have the number of grafts you expected to have? I suspect your still there now if your having 2400.

Hope it's all gone well. Give us an update when you get back to your hotel.

Cheers