Dr Cole on HST-Gho needs not to fear getting scrutinized

[didi]

This is from HS forum in response to Gho that doesnt want to share hst with Dr Cole because he was too sceptical at the begining


'Dr. Cole is very open minded to new ideas and he is excited to get the chance to improve the hair restoration technology, he was open minded when FUE started by Dr. Woods and was the first one to see him in hope he will share it with him, As you all know that didn't happen so he started developing his own FUE (CIT) and was one of the pioneers of FUE. He keeps improving instruments and techniques on a daily basis.
Dr. Gho can't expect to get only positive feedback on an unknown technique (from a doctor's perspectives), especially when it's not widely shared between him and other doctors. skepticism is actually a crucial ingredient for the evolution of new ideas, Dr. Gho doesn't need to fear from reviewing his technique if he has the data and evidence it's working, he can only benefit from Dr. Cole's positive feedback'.
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That`s my point exacly. If Dr. Gho was the real deal, then he would be happy to show his technology to Dr. Cole. But nooo, let`s blaim Dr. Cole`s "narrow-minded" attitude. I don`t understand how much rationalizing the Gho-supporters can take, before they realize that this is just another hype.

It`s crazy how rejecting and critical Iron_Man can act towards Histogen, Aderans and Replicel, but when it comes to Gho, everything is ok and perfectly normal. It`s nonsense.

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That`s my point exacly. If Dr. Gho was the real deal, then he would be happy to show his technology to Dr. Cole. But nooo, let`s blaim Dr. Cole`s "narrow-minded" attitude. I don`t understand how much rationalizing the Gho-supporters can take, before they realize that this is just another hype.

It`s crazy how rejecting and critical Iron_Man can act towards Histogen, Aderans and Replicel, but when it comes to Gho, everything is ok and perfectly normal. It`s nonsense.

Im Gho believer BUT its upsetting to see how Gho uses every possible excuse to avoid scrutiny.
I mean if he trained a couple of doctors by now and they set up clinics I wouldnt mind but its not the case, there are just too many questions.


If I was Gho I would let someone with reputation like Cole to do review and after that HST would be new Gold standard, from business perspective Gho is makin mistake by not letting Cole test it, it just make no sense.

Its crazy to see that Gho doesnt have single graduate from his hst training academy in 2-3 years

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Im Gho believer BUT its upsetting to see how Gho uses every possible excuse to avoid scrutiny.
I mean if he trained a couple of doctors by now and they set up clinics I wouldnt mind but its not the case, there are just too many questions.

If I was Gho I would let someone with reputation like Cole to do review and after that HST would be new Gold standard, from business perspective Gho is makin mistake by not letting Cole test it, it just make no sense.

Its crazy to see that Gho doesnt have single graduate from his hst training academy in 2-3 years

How the hell could you be a Gho-supporter? I certainly understand the desperation, but from a rational point of view, how can you believe that Gho`s technique works as advertised? I used to do it, but believe me, it`s not rational. I wish it was. I really do!

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It`s crazy how rejecting and critical Iron_Man can act towards Histogen, Aderans and Replicel, but when it comes to Gho, everything is ok and perfectly normal. It`s nonsense.

How crazy!!
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http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showpost.php?p=36129&postcount=677

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How crazy!!
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http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showpos...&postcount=677

Histogens last update was more promising

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How crazy!!

Hey, I didn`t say that Aderans and Histogen are promising, did I? I don`t criticize you for being sceptical towards Aderans or Histogen, I just think it`s crazy that you aren`t equally critical towards Gho`s work. That`s my point.

I have stated multiplie times that I think the work of Team Tokyo is the only approach that has some promise to it. If anyone is going to cure baldness for the next decades, it`s going to be them. Not Gho, not Aderans, not Histogen, not Follica and definetely not Acell+PRP.

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I don`t criticize you for being sceptical towards Aderans or Histogen, I just think it`s crazy that you aren`t equally critical towards Gho`s work. That`s my point.

Really?

http://www.histogen.com/downloads/sid_2012_HSC_Final.pdf

By the way: Would you like to see the complete Histogen-analysis?

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By the way: Would you like to see the complete Histogen-analysis?

No, I agree with Histogen being a failure. They will definetely not be a miracle cure that regrow orginal density even for thinning hair. That`s just realistic. I personally think they will be very similar to Minoxidil (+-)

I`m not saying that team Tokyo definetely would succeed either, because we don`t know if/when they are going to start clinical trials, and we don`t know how consistant their results are going to be. In addition, they have to refine their technique, and we don`t know if they are able to do it, at least not to that degree that they can produce a commercial viable product.

They haven`t tried their technique on humans either, but it should work in theory, because they were able to grow hair on hairless mice with stem cells taken from a bald humanbeing.

But other than that, it`s really nothing promising in the pipeline (at least in my personal opinion). Feel free to disagree, Iron_man. But you will end up dissapointed. YES - I`m speaking of the hope you have regarding HST.

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Histogens last update was more promising

Let's SEE, whether or not Dr. Cole is basically right ...

Below - "measured by Human Brain"...

One does not see something like this in an area affected by androgenic alopecia.

In fact, the pics just show a completely normal circulating (anagen-catagen-telogen-anagen etc) observation area!

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You`re right regarding Histogen, but wrong regarding Gho.
You did however not state your opinion on Team Tokyo aka Tsuji-lab.
Let`s hear you opinion on them. Much more interesting than discussing hope stimulation bullshit and hyped scalp-to-body-hair transformations.

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You`re right regarding Histogen, but wrong regarding Gho.
You did however not state your opinion on Team Tokyo aka Tsuji-lab.
Let`s hear you opinion on them. Much more interesting than discussing hope stimulation bullshit and hyped scalp-to-body-hair transformations.

You guys are such negative party poopers.

Histogen have been the only company that have regrown thinning hair.

So what if it is another minoxidil, it has proven to be much better than it. Have you not seen the PDF with the temple hair?

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You guys are such negative party poopers.

Histogen have been the only company that have regrown thinning hair.

So what if it is another minoxidil, it has proven to be much better than it. Have you not seen the PDF with the temple hair?

I think with any doctor a non surgical treatment which regrows a full head of hair, or at a bare minimum completely halts the hair loss process will destroy business. I'm not sure of the entire studies on Histogen but if for example it halts the hair loss process it essentially means zero clients from every person under 20 once the treatment arrives. I wouldn't image the injections would be the sole domain of hair transplant surgeons, likely a range of professionals would be able to administer them. This would mean that they would have very limited work comparative to what they had and essentially a wasted medical specialisation.

Most hair transplant surgeons wouldn't indicate any positive quotes towards a potential cure in the near future because most hair transplant patients (myself included) get a transplant because the foreseeable wait time until a treatment seems too far away. Personally if I know i can halt the hair loss process (minimum) in a few years I wont bother with a second transplant.

[didi]

Back to the subject guys, thread is about how Dr Gho is unwilling to share technology with one of the most gifted fue doc Dr Cole,

in my opinion dr Gho gave lame reasons as to why he isnt willing to do so, its kinda childish, I mean it almost seems like Gho wants HST to remain as secret as possible...hrmmm..and we on this forum are guilty of blaming HT industry, fue/fut docs,Spencer etc but when you think abt it it is Dr Gho who doesnt want hst to be known...who else would be better ambassador for hst than dr Cole?



There is something that stinks abt the whole thing n we want to know what it is, it makes no sense in the age when companies spend zillions of $$$ on advertizing and marketing some crappy product, Gho is refusing to let Dr Cole make hst known worldwide for FREE..imagine what would it do for hasci if they get Dr Coles endorment and blessing?

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Gho is refusing to let Dr Cole make hst known worldwide

hrmmm … maybe that’s exactly THE point why Dr. Gho refuses to get in contact with Dr. Cole (or other “well-known” doctors in this field) – based on the behaviour and well-known history in particular in this business.

For example …

By Dr. Rassman

The long term results with FUE (particularly on donor area damage in extensive FUE grafting) is not yet in. When we introduced the FUE technique in 2002 at the international meeting and in the Journal of Dermatological Surgery, there was not too much of an initial reaction, because the doctors who tried it quickly failed to get good quality grafts out.
I remember two doctors in particular (names withheld) — one called me the first day after I returned from the meeting and I spent an hour on the phone explaining the subtle nuances that made it work for us. He thanked me, then quickly announced his new “pioneering invention”, the FUE technique, both on his website and through various press releases. Clearly he did not have the time to do more than one procedure and I felt sorry for that patient, a victim of a doctor’s greed for fame and money.

Here is another such example, which came up recently:

"World's first stem cell hair transplant clinic"

Anyway, as you know, “snakes” and idiots are everywhere and in every business (that doesn’t mean that I’m thinking that Dr. Cole is such an individual) and you can trust practically nobody, especially if there is a lot of money involved.

If I were Dr. Gho, I would do exactly the same what he is doing now - and what he is SAYING (in the interview Kobren/Gho-26:00):

Training of totally “over minded (young) persons” – and “most of them are NOT in (or from) the hair transplantation business”.

In other words, I would try to set up a completely NEW GENERATION of real HAIR specialists/experts – and surely not a banal “from-A-to-B-hair-follicle-transplanters-army” just due to “greed for fame and money”. And finally, everything based on a SOLID BASIS; that means, it doesn’t matter how long it takes to accomplish this vision, because “fast” and/or "big" doesn’t mean “better”. Anyway, that’s what I think what Dr. Gho is basically trying to accomplish.

By the way, when Dr. Gho says “training of dermatologists etc” – it doesn’t mean that it will be the intention of all these persons to open their own (typical hair transplant)clinic anywhere. These doctors are just ABLE to perform HST procedures “just in case” or sometimes in specific institutions, hospitals or burn victim centers etc where they normally/regularly work. These doctors are definitely NOT one of these doctors who will show you these typical (for this industry) “before/after” photos on message forums.