NeedHairASAP

[534623]

the question is:

True or untrue?

I mentioned (just in a spontaneous manner) "hair transplant industry" - right?

The following article (January 2012) is such a typical article from the hair transplant industry:

http://www.ishrs.org/articles/follicular-unit-extraction-fue-manual-and-powered-device-assisted.htm

This (new) article ...

http://dermatology.cdlib.org/1809/07_ltr/12_12-00164/article.html

... is about the same affair - just other authors.

So where is the difference - especially if you check out the "References" of both articles?

I mean, we are talking here about "FACT BASED" things - right?

[534623]

I agree with you. There is absolutely nothing wrong with you providing your testimonial for prospective patients. That's not my concern. I don't want to have an argument, I just stated my opinion concerning Ironman's photographic "proof" being used to sell procedures.

Could you please repeat the bold part IN DETAIL again? I mean, your CONCERNS more specific, please.

[garethbale]

I don't know an awful lot about Gho or his procedure, but I just feel the whole thing seems to be shrouded in secrecy. If their procedure does allow for hair regeneration, why can't they simply provide photos showing this on their website. When I asked about the lack of photographic evidence, I was told that the client and HASCI sign a document that states that photos may only be seen 9 months afterward between the clinic and the patient. Presumably if donor regenerates then why must this be the case.

The whole thing sounds really dodgy...its almost as if they're still not totally confident in their procedure and testing the waters. If this really can reuse hairs, this should be the best thing since sliced bread. IMO, Gho is able to take a small part of the follicle, but then all he can transplant is the same thing...a thin hair. I believe this is why the results he posts seem to be quite thin (i.e.e density) (eg Sneijder, Joling)

[didi]

garethbale,

you made a few good points in your post, it seems like they are not 100% in the procedure, thats my feeling, i wish im wrong but more than a year ago Gho was talking abt army of willing doctors that are lining up to learn hst and yet and a half onwards we havent seen single clinic open?? Where are all these doctors



The Institute

Hair Science Institute (HSI) has clinics in Amsterdam, Maastricht, London and Vienna, and will soon be opening clinics in countries outside of Europe.




Yet he is refusing to train docs like dr Cole,hrmm
nothing wrong with showing testimonial but when i think that his waiting list is 6 months long then he shd be able to come up with more photographic evidence and put it online,

i wanna it to work but when i sense something isnt right ill call them out on it,
hasci comes accross as very secretive and not willing to share but on the other hand they wanna train docs for $50k, its baffles me that noone got trained since they initially set up 4 clinics about 4 years ago or so..

[534623]

Gho told me that he couldn`t share his technology with Dr. Cole, because Dr. Cole was "skeptical" about the HST when it first arrived. He therefore had to prioritize the "open-minded" doctors. I can`t recall that Dr. Cole ever vas sceptical about HST.

Yet he is refusing to train docs like dr Cole,hrmm

hrmm?

Please let me ask you guys 1 stupid question:

Let’s assume YOU’re Dr. Gho – okay?
Anyway, one day and all of a sudden you read, for example, the following on the internet (the latter means that millions of people out there are also [still] able to read what you can read):

Publication date: Saturday, 21 May 2011

“Regardless, they [a researcher group in Turkey] refuted the claims of individuals such as Dr. Gho who claimed that follicular amputation or transection with FUE provides for an unlimited source of hair.12”

Source/Proof/Facts (see abstract “Studies”)

So what does it mean?
In other words, if you’re, for example, an interested patient (and layman), and you read this published comment, what would you think about this “unmasked individual” (Dr. Gho) if you hear or read his name again anywhere?

Now back to my initial (stupid) question:

YOU, as the “unmasked individual” (Dr. Gho), what would you think about the author who published this?
Would you “prioritize” especially such an “not-open-minded” medical doctor who is blaming you public (clearly intentionally – if you dig a little bit deeper in this matter …) for doing scientific misconduct?

In this whole context, it doesn’t matter that the author is saying “…THEY (not he) refuted the claims…”

Anyway, if you guys need more information and FACTS e.g. concerning “clearly intentionally” – please let me know …

[didi]

ok abt dr cole, if he was sceptic from the start dont train him BUT the question still remains, where are all those docs that he trained, those that are open minded?

In 3-4 years you would think there would be a handfull of docs who graduated Gho academy and are able to do hst on their own?


Training cost only 50 000 euros and you get Ghos equipment and all the tools,ect..so how long does it training run for,6 months or 1 year max.


Why we got no new clinics apart from 2 in Holland and one in london, vienna never opened even though sitesays its operational

[534623]

vienna never opened even though sitesays its operational

... because on or after January 1, 2013 - the HSCI would (could?) have a BIG problem over there?

"Beauty Docs" & new regulations in Austria

Is here someone who speaks fluently English ( ) and is able to make a nice list about what exactly will be prohibited (and why) on and after Jan 1, 2013 in this rather little country?

Sorry, I can't make such a list because some guys (even on radio shows) say that my English is sh't and that they do not understand me.

[Delphi]

ok abt dr cole, if he was sceptic from the start dont train him BUT the question still remains, where are all those docs that he trained, those that are open minded?

In 3-4 years you would think there would be a handfull of docs who graduated Gho academy and are able to do hst on their own?


Training cost only 50 000 euros and you get Ghos equipment and all the tools,ect..so how long does it training run for,6 months or 1 year max.


Why we got no new clinics apart from 2 in Holland and one in london, vienna never opened even though sitesays its operational

It would only serve as feather in Dr. Gho's cap to train Dr. Cole, especially if Dr. Cole was at one time skeptical. It would just prove to the world that those who were once skeptical are willing to eat crow and admit that Dr. Gho's procedure works. I have a feeling that this won't happen, at least not yet.

[didi]

the whole hst drama is a bit strange i must admit,

if some other doc discovered this technique this would be well known by now and practised worldwide, in fact fue.fut wouldnt be practised anymore(ASSUMING THAT HST WORKS AS CLAIMED)

is gho such a crap businessman or is it something else thats holding him back?

lot of questions and no answers

[Delphi]

the whole hst drama is a bit strange i must admit,

if some other doc discovered this technique this would be well known by now and practised worldwide, in fact fue.fut wouldnt be practised anymore(ASSUMING THAT HST WORKS AS CLAIMED)

is gho such a crap businessman or is it something else thats holding him back?

lot of questions and no answers

It is very strange, and to me totally unnecessary. The fact that all of this "drama" is being caused by a couple of obsessive forum posters is what makes it even more strange! I do not believe that HST will be made available to any doctor outside of Gho's camp for a very long time, if ever.

[gc83uk]

lol Delphi, I hope your not putting me into the obsessive bracket there!

See it from my point of view, having had the treatment twice, I am not fond of hearing that HST might be a load of crap or comments along those lines from some. Having said that this is a forum and I respect MOST opinions however stupid they sometimes sound.

It's not as if Gho is ignoring the questions, I think I've heard correctly that Gho has been interviewed again quite recently by Spencer and Spencer is in the process of editing that interview and hopefully uploading it soon!

I've also heard numerous times that Gho is opening a clinic in Jakarta and was over there as recently as last week. I think there is a lot we don't know and hopefully the latest interview will answer those questions.

[Delphi]

lol Delphi, I hope your not putting me into the obsessive bracket there!

See it from my point of view, having had the treatment twice, I am not fond of hearing that HST might be a load of crap or comments along those lines from some. Having said that this is a forum and I respect MOST opinions however stupid they sometimes sound.

It's not as if Gho is ignoring the questions, I think I've heard correctly that Gho has been interviewed again quite recently by Spencer and Spencer is in the process of editing that interview and hopefully uploading it soon!

I've also heard numerous times that Gho is opening a clinic in Jakarta and was over there as recently as last week. I think there is a lot we don't know and hopefully the latest interview will answer those questions.

No gc83uk, I'm obviously not referring to you. You're a legit poster for sure.

What makes you think Spencer would take two months to edit an interview? That's kind of silly. From what I heard , the release was held up because Gho needed to approve something. I think Spencer is just trying to be respectful of Dr. Gho's wishes.

[JJJJrS]

It is very strange, and to me totally unnecessary. The fact that all of this "drama" is being caused by a couple of obsessive forum posters is what makes it even more strange! I do not believe that HST will be made available to any doctor outside of Gho's camp for a very long time, if ever.

Considering the major flaws inherent with FUT and FUE and how badly hair loss sufferers could use more advanced surgical hair restoration techniques, it's in everybody's that we eventually get a full understanding of HST - exactly how well it works, what practical issues need to be worked out, and what limitations are inherent to the procedure.

I think both sides are at fault for the controversy remaining.

There's plenty of HST patients who have offered to get their results analyzed and nobody's taken them up on that offer. Get an independent, third party (i.e. dematoligist, university lab, hair clinic) to periodically check the results over a 1-3 years and you'll be able to answer most of the pressing questions surrounding the procedure.

From Gho's side, I haven't seen enough effort to make HST a mainstream option. There must be some quality, ethical hair transplant doctors out there he should be willing to share the procedure with. The more minds working on and with this, the more progress that can be made.

It's frustrating how slow it's been moving but I think we'll get there eventually. Considering how many patients are getting HST procedures, it's inevitable that we'll get the truth eventually.

[gc83uk]

No gc83uk, I'm obviously not referring to you. You're a legit poster for sure.

What makes you think Spencer would take two months to edit an interview? That's kind of silly. From what I heard , the release was held up because Gho needed to approve something. I think Spencer is just trying to be respectful of Dr. Gho's wishes.

Well I didn't say 2 months, because that would be silly! I had thought it was down to Spencer being busy, but waiting for Gho to approve something does make more sense to the delay!

[didi]

2 months is way to long, spencer busy with what, applying lipstick??
wtf did they do in that interview when that much editing is required??