Hasci (Gho) patient with videos

[Flowers]

UK how long do you think before it comes into prominence? Cole seems pretty open minded about things I imagine he'd start doing it soon if it really works. And concerning Rassman I think he and many doctors will bash the procedure in the press because it's better than what they're doing

[RichardDawkins]

Hey UK the last part of your statement couldnt have said it better.

Especially the part about digging them out of the shit. I can certainly say that a lot of FUT patients today will be really really angry in the near future, the will be really pissed

[mlao]

The regrowth of the 1200 has to be verified. PEER REVIEWED VERIFICATION!
Not from someone like Dr. Rassman but a doctor who is working along similar lines.
Doctors Bernstein, Cooley or even Cole would be acceptable.
I will say it again I WANT THIS TO WORK!
If it does I will be on a plane to Holland and will gladly document the entire procedure.
(and don't tell me the above mentioned doctors only have their own well being at heart)

[UK_]

Hey UK the last part of your statement couldnt have said it better.

Especially the part about digging them out of the shit. I can certainly say that a lot of FUT patients today will be really really angry in the near future, the will be really pissed

You agree cause you know exactly what this industry is like. Richard, this time next year the "conservatives" of the hair loss industry will still be saying... "if.. but.. hmm"... scratching their heads wondering why their patients are accepting dotted scars in donor and Gho's patients are not complaining of any such scarring.

That's the problem, the number of people who want to keep the industry as "Propecia + transplant + rogaine" outnumber the people who want to see a change, an entire uprooting of this tripartite hell we've been stuck in for the best part of two decades...

PROPECIA MINOX TRANSPLANT

PROPECIA MINOX TRANSPLANT

PROPECIA MINOX TRANSPLANT

[CVAZBAR]

Spencer says he will interview Dr Cole soon. Could be this week. I hope he will ask him questions about Gho. Hopefully Cole decides to try Ghos technique somehow. We need a guy like him to really certify this shit once and for all. Let's get this shit rolling!

[Kiwi]

Hey UK_ and Richard, have either of you guys had FUT?

I have. I have had 3700+ and not many have grown out.

I'm scared shitless of getting more FUT and I hate the effect propecia has on me. If I have another failed HT then I'm screwed. With scars. The thing is is that I want more!! Man it sucks so much.

So let me get this straight, if I had had my opperation with Gho, even if the 3000 had failed, it wouldn't have actually effected my donor region?

Do you also think it's fair to say that what Gho is doing is a variation of what Cooley is doing with Plucking?

[UK_]

So let me get this straight, if I had had my opperation with Gho, even if the 3000 had failed, it wouldn't have actually effected my donor region?

No, the donor regions grow back as Gho is using partial transection, he is only removing the part of the follicle which houses a portion of the follicles the stem cells, when transplanted into recipient these cells act as they would in donor and continue to produce hairs.

Say he plucks 1200 follicles, you gain 2400 in total.

It's more expensive than traditional FUE, but traditional FUE doesn't double your total hair count, I have not had any procedures as of yet, and if I ever decide to do, I would be utterly insane to chose any traditional procedure over Gho's HST.

Gho has a waiting list until late 2012 however, and it's growing.

[RichardDawkins]

Hey Kiwi no i never had a FUT because iam honest, i am scared more then just shitless about this. If it comes to FUT i hate it and i am a coward i can openly admit this.

The reason for this is, i just dont wann congratulate surgeons who perform FUT to earn more each while FUE and HST is around i simply dont want to even if they can produce good results. But morast of the time i think Hmm what if H&W would perform FUE.

Yes the hairs regenrate in the donor area after extraction but i warn you its more expensive, i wont lie to you about it, its expensive, i think UK will without a doubt agree with me on that.

UK i have to slightly correct you, if GHo extracts 1200 Grafts you dont have 2400 Grafts, in fact you have your original 1200 grafts regnerated and 1200 new "cloned" ones which makes it 1200 Grafts more then the position you staretd with.

Its like having 1000 Grafts on your head, harvest them, they regenerate and you still have 1000 but now from those 1000 you got additional 1000 Grafts which makes it 2000 Grafts.

So in short words, if you would opt for some HST sessions and a final FUE session in the end, you could still used plucked hairs some more years after without using propecia or getting scars.

So a normal NW7 with an average head normal size needs lets say 12.000 Grafts for a full rstoration to NW1 with acceptable density now do your math how this can be done

[UK_]

Yeah I know, I didnt mean grafts I meant hairs/active follicles - 1200 regenerate in donor and 1200 in recipient.

[UK_]

Richard, the fact that Cooley, Cole and Hitzig are all seeing "some" results with plucking, adds further fuel to the argument that yes, Dr Gho's concept has been on the right track and he has created a concept that exploits the ability to divide a follicles' population of stem cells and create two hairs from one. Imagine you are as small as a stem cell inside a follicle, standing before you is one of the most complex organs within the human body, looking at it from this microcosmic perspective elicits the belief that yes, there has to be a way to multiply this organism.

[RichardDawkins]

Dont tell me, i know this. Tell it to the clinics who are now trying to come up with excuse to dig themselves out of the shit when the bomb explodes in a fe months.

I am only shocked that they come up with thousands of excuse but no one easy says " Ok we were wrong its working and now we try to get a hand on it" this would be totally ok with me btw i wouldnt blame those clinics i only blame clinics who come up with excuses like Rassmann and his power posse

Its always this " Gho has to proof talking" but instead they could easily test it themselves.

But guess why they wont test it themselves? For two reasons

1) If it works and the say it works they fear to loose customers. If they say it wont work they live in fear that some week later another clinic says the opposite and they are screwed.

And right now they are grabbing the money as fast and as radical as they can get because i think in a few months this little game is finished.

You know everyone a few months back was like "Where are Gho patients" and now more and more Gho patiemts come up and unfortunately for those people they themselve say exactly what science proves, one of them even gave us Gho downsides when it comes to fine blonde hairs. But in the end nobody cares because he comes back in a few months and get another round for free. The funny thing in this case is, that even this "failure" works for Gho when the donor regenerates because even with doing Bullshit you dont lose hairs.

And thats what i personally like about it "If grafts cannot be cultivated then they have less tissue and will regenerate of course. And if you extract them with sufficient tiussue they will also regenerate"

Also the simple question is " How insane and stupid must Gho be if he chooses to come on Spencers Show get crossfired and work on celebrities and claim HM on his website in the EURO zone with the harshest laws regarding fraud" if this guy would be a fraud, well then he is a stupid fraud because the law would so kick his ass

Another aspect, his transplants are getting better and better and they even said to another user from a german board they can of course transplant a density of 70 grafts.

I think that until now Gho was testing on his patients and they were guinea pigs to fix certain problems and now it seems that he got it all sorted out.

Cole, Hitzig and Cooley are well pretty damn close.

And yes i changed my mind a lot about Gho i admit it but to be honest with a little bit of self research everyone would figure out the mechanism behind it, which is a pretty boring and not so impressive mechanism at all. Its not cloning per se its more of a "took the correct amount of tissue" and thats it.

But what i dont understand here is the following

" All FUE surgeons use those big as needles, WHY just for a short testing, why dont they switch for those needles Gho is using just to test it on a small scale.

[UK_]

Well - I think the laissez-faire reaction from the rest of the industry regarding the plucking results seen so far is just a clear example that mainstream doctors couldn't care less about bringing real change to the industry, so long as their pockets are filled who cares? I mean that's capitalism right? buy low sell high - its a good thing competition is also a fundamental component - because I bet no other regular FUE doctor has a waiting list until fall 2012 lol.

Gho is actually offering TESTS for a few hundred Euros - doctors have the facilities to test 50 grafts of his procedure, why not do it? What's the big hold up? Nobody can give me the excuse of "oh but it's still hard to tell with 50 grafts" - that's bullshit, they have the technology and know-how to see if there's growth with a handful of follicles let alone 50 - 500.

It's not the research/development that drags us through to a decade before we see anything to market, its the doctors and companies that drag their heels and political baggage around that holds everything up - just look at Histogen and Skinmedica - nearly 2 years wasted for what?

[Thinning@30]

The before and after photos on Gho's website look awful. Even in the after photos the patients all appear to be in an advanced stage of thinning. I would not be at all happy with results like those. Of course, if the donor areas regenerate than at least those patients can have additional procedures to hopefully get more density in the recipient area and better hairlines. Wesley what's-his-name looks good, but I have yet to find a picture of his grown out results. Even if Gho can regenerate hair, I worry that he might lack the requisite surgical skills to create aesthetically pleasing results.

I also think we may be jumping the gun a bit. Has Gho's technique been verified by any independent party using objective methods? Has anyone verified that the "plucked" hairs regrow with the same thickness that they had before? Or do they grow back thinner and weaker? I want this to work, but I have so many concerns

[mlao]

The before and after photos on Gho's website look awful. Even in the after photos the patients all appear to be in an advanced stage of thinning. I would not be at all happy with results like those. Of course, if the donor areas regenerate than at least those patients can have additional procedures to hopefully get more density in the recipient area and better hairlines. Wesley what's-his-name looks good, but I have yet to find a picture of his grown out results. Even if Gho can regenerate hair, I worry that he might lack the requisite surgical skills to create aesthetically pleasing results.

I also think we may be jumping the gun a bit. Has Gho's technique been verified by any independent party using objective methods? Has anyone verified that the "plucked" hairs regrow with the same thickness that they had before? Or do they grow back thinner and weaker? I want this to work, but I have so many concerns

Very well put. I think that if this procedure is as successful as some forum members believe. Then it will address the problem of limited donor hair. Still there is an art to hair transplant surgery. all you have to do is look at the artistic skill of Hasson & Wong over less skilled surgeons and you realize it's not just about sticking hair where it's missing. It comes down to proper placement and direction of growth. Although I do think if it is successful it would be appropriate for smaller fill-in cases.

[RichardDawkins]

I agreee with both of you but please be so fair and bear in mind that compared to the first HST results, the newer results are getting better and better.

So to me it seems that Gho was still experimenting when he made HST public and that the patients were somehow guinea pigs, thats MAYBE one of the reasons why he did small session, so if something may went wrong, the results are not a catastrophe.

We will see, if Gho will increase his graft harvesting sessions like to be on par with FUE (for example 3000 Graft sessions) then we can say for sure that my theory was right.

Another example for this is this one guy from here who had 1500 harvested but they could only cultivate around 500 Grafts but he can come back in ten months and get it for free.

I dont know why, but i blieve that at least Cooley and Cole got in touch with Gho because otherwise they wont be so chilled all the time and laugh about naysayers. Nevertheless my believe is that we will have serious problems of shortings in 2012 when it comes to restoration because demand for certain transplants will far exceeds the supply