C5000 3rd HST Yesterday

[byson999]

Yea your probably right. Dean saunders has had 3 or 4 procedures and his donor looks great at a 0 and I think he may have even bladed his head after the first op he had with hasci? But I am not certain about that. Anyways good luck with your future treatments and your journey for a full head of hair. Things are looking great mate!

[c5000]

No problem mate just being honest. I am very much considering going for it. However I am also happy shaving my head tight so My worry is I go for it don't like the result in terms of density and decide to blade my head and I am left with some scarring. Your case and dean saunders also Gaz is very encouraging though as I see no scarring from you guys. But none of you blade your head like I currently do. I want to no what a donor looks like bladed after hasci before making my decision mate.

Ah I see your point mate, I doubt many people would be willing to shave their hair with a blade after getting a procedure. If I were to guess though, I would say that you could shave it witha blade and you wouldn't see any scarring. The extraction sites are absolutely tiny.

[byson999]

No problem mate just being honest. I am very much considering going for it. However I am also happy shaving my head tight so My worry is I go for it don't like the result in terms of density and decide to blade my head and I am left with some scarring. Your case and dean saunders also Gaz is very encouraging though as I see no scarring from you guys. But none of you blade your head like I currently do. I want to no what a donor looks like bladed after hasci before making my decision mate.

[c5000]

Things are looking very good mate. Looks like you have alot more sessions in you before depleting your donor! How does your donor look shaved after 3 sessions?

Thanks for the words of encouragement mate, it's really good to hear that.

I feel I can easily go back for another 3 or 4 procedures before my donor starts looking thin. If it starts to look thin after HST number 7 and I still need more density in the recipient, then I'll start taking hair from the non "safe" zone.

If hair from the non "safe" zone is expected to fall out anyway, then I might as well give it a try in the recipient area!

My donor area looks pretty good after the 3rd procedure. It also still feels pretty thick as well.

Have you been to Hasci before mate? Or are you considering it?

[byson999]

Things are looking very good mate. Looks like you have alot more sessions in you before depleting your donor! How does your donor look shaved after 3 sessions?

[caddarik79]

I had my HST in september 2012, so, more than two years...
And... those two years were fine, I am not cured, I am a thinner, my haircut is not part of my attractiveness 's job description, but life is OK, I can deal with it... it's not the end of the world.

Someone said here that there was a time on here where we all had the impression that the cure was right at the next corner, and then, nothing!

I have HST in my pocket if I need (+ they were really nice the first time, I was satisfied and zero pain), but I temporise, I am not depressed, I spend my money on other sources of pleasure... I am tempted by going back, but, I will give 10K and my thinning will keep on progressing while my HST grows and it will look like a shitty status quo!

This field needs to improve either its techniques or its price policy, but I have no judgment on people who run for it, we are both right!!!!
Gaz, C5000 and IM are right and we are right.... no need to fight, let's see what comes... and if I do another one, I will also contribute in sharing my results and impressions, of course.

[caddarik79]

true, I remember something like that, indeed.

as I told you, on one hand I have the impression that we should do like Gaz, C5000 and IM, and have our yearly HST, enjoy hair, improve them, until cloning comes true.
Because seriously, when cloning is out, we will only need to have ten hairs from donor to take them for multiplication? you can read it in this very thread, I think C5000 has some strong points here, Gaz as well, I think they do the right choice.


I am still considering them as the best so far, we don't have a better option, pills or lotion is not to be considered.
I am amazed by Gaz donor after 5 HST, no matter what you can say! I saw a guy in the subway last time, with a FUE white dots donor, and recipient was ridiculous.

On the other hand, they did not shut your mouth...


I have the money, I could do one a year... but I can only agree to give that much of money for 85% regen guaranteed...FUE makes no sense!!!!And, I repeat, they did not shut your mouth.
I wanted them to do so.

Still, so far, they are the best, no one can contest that, Gaz looks just amazing.


So, they are my B-plan, my plan A is to cope with my situation as long as I can and monitor the progress at HASCI, Gaz, new treatments, evolution of hair cloning.
3 years ago, before your work on contradicting their claims, they were my plan A, and I was on the track to get one every 12 months.

But the real deal is that TODAY HT in general, is too expensive for what it brings in terms of result, you should see a big improvement in your hair situation after you have paid someone 10.000 €.

I hope there will come a time where they will be able to transplant you 10.000 hairs in one big session, for 10.000 €.
10.000 new hairs is a real dramatic improvement, and then, it motivates a patient to get another two or three sessions, he knows he will be fixed... even if it costs him 50.000 €.

Nowadays, it's just unfair, and so is balding!

[Arashi]

BTW, Caddarik, remember how Gho promised some 'proof' of their technique by the end of 2014 ? He still has 2 weeks

[Arashi]

So if Gaz goes back then we will have proof that people can certainly go six times

That's already proven, at least in theory here I've shown there that average Joe can have six HST's, each 1600 grafts and if there's no regrowth at all (which is the case with HST, just like with FUE), then your donor will still look untouched. After that, donor is getting visibly thinner but some people don't care too much about that, like Gaz, so they can even go more times.

[caddarik79]

kind of true :-)

I think the three of you guyz are maybe doing the best choice in terms of hair-happiness.
I will see after my trips; might book to densify my frame and start a bit the vertex.
I have a thinning, nowhere slick bald, am mid thirtys, trust me, you care about your are even after 40 if you want my opinion.... but there are plenty of things interesting and worth in life and being obsessed is not good!
So yeah, action might be the best and I guess you will be happier and happier.... as you said, I can't wait to monitor multiple sessions results.

[c5000]

yes, I fully agree, I am split, I reason like you every second day!
the "we have one life and we don't know for how long" is also valid to spend your budget on travelling, on having fun etc etc instead of having thin hairs.
But as I said, I also totally get your point, especially the idea of making the time to real hair cloning with hairs... you also make sense... don't you still find it very too expensive for what it is?

I don't think the cost per graft is any higher than other clinics I have seen. The argument about 1400 HST grafts looking thinner than 1400 normal FUE grafts is something I'm not sure about. I have never had a normal fue. I must admit 1400 grafts can look thin on a bald area, but to me 1400 grafts at Hasci are no more expensive or thin looking than anywhere else.

If I put 8000 euros into my hair every year, that is much better than possibly waiting for hair cloning and having to put say 60,000 euros in one megasession. To me I would miss 60,000 euros in one go a lot more than I would miss paying 8000 euros every year for 6 or 7 years.

[caddarik79]

yes, I fully agree, I am split, I reason like you every second day!
the "we have one life and we don't know for how long" is also valid to spend your budget on travelling, on having fun etc etc instead of having thin hairs.
But as I said, I also totally get your point, especially the idea of making the time to real hair cloning with hairs... you also make sense... don't you still find it very too expensive for what it is?

[c5000]

I just feel that I should keep getting more grafts added to the top of my head until hair cloning comes around.

If I were to wait until hair multiplication came around without doing anything, I would probably just rather stay bald and get on with my life... I'm in my late 20s just now and so hair is really important to me... But by the time i'm 40 i'd probably just leave my hair bald if it wasn't for HST.

I keep saying it, but i'd rather enjoy having hair now than continually wait for a cure...

Also who is to say I will even live to 40? Life is too short and I'd prefer to enjoy it as much as possible now... You can spend a lifetime waiting for something that may never come. HST is here now and its the best option we have

[caddarik79]

in short: paying shit load of money to maintain a thin hair situation, it's shitty.
Paying shit load of money to be cured or almost cured, it's different, it's a choice for your well-being, (you would still find people calling you "sick", even majority of them, but I would not mind paying the price of a fancy car, for my hair....even if that would still be unfair to hair loss sufferers)

[caddarik79]

You always seemed so positive about HST before. What has changed?

I still think they are the best out there... and I might go bridge it as you do, as Gaz do, as ironman do, cause so far, you are the ones recovering from your hairloss!
The price bothers me a bit when put in relation with what you get (amount of hairs).
I paid 10000€ to reframe the front, but it's still weak in density, which means that you have at least to go for three to four or five procedures to kind of be mildly happy.
50.000€ for a low density kind of head of hair, I just think it's not fair. Especially with what your decribe yourself: while checking your HST hairs appearing, you can still expect to see some native, fall and fall and fall, so your situation remains sort of neutral.

If they could do the real multiplication 1 hair becomes 5, it would be quicker to fix, and 50.000 or even 70.000, I wouldn't mind paying them, but for a real dense, full NW1 result.

But, it is so far, the only good option, so I might consider it (here I just bought places and booked exotic trips)..... good that we can follow your progress, guyzzz, Gaz should be really OK in another two sessions.
I am very much hesitating because of the slow/low scale of progress for the amount paid.