and how is Gaz doing?

[caddarik79]

hey Gaz, could you put pics of your hair at your actual lenght, just to see what it looks like after 4 hst, no need to shave it down, you will have to do it for hst5 anyway!!!

[gc83uk]

Without buzzing it down we can't do an analysis indeed. Well I understand you, I probably wouldnt want to buzz it down myself. It would be nice to finally have 100% proof HASCI's HST is a scam, cause people are still visiting their clinics and HASCI still tells them 85% of their hair will grow back. But then again, if people still go to HASCI, they didnt do their due diligence anyway.

I don't agree at all with your last comment, people like myself will go to Hasci because there is no scarring, that in itself is huge.

I think you're underestimating the number of people that will go to Hasci knowing full well that the 85% figure is pie in the sky, people that have done their due diligence. It's not all about the regeneration.

I'm actually a bit pissed off that I have to trek over to Holland because London is booked up til 2015, but I should have booked earlier so I can only blame myself.

I can't believe that's it's now 2014 and there are no alternatives to Hasci for scarless procedures.

BTW you can always meet me in Holland, your motherland

[Arashi]

I'm doing fine thanks!

I've been trying to book another HST, but they're completely booked up in London until 2015 pretty much, how crazy is that.

Decided I'm going to take a trip to Maastricht in August for 1 day of treatment, I honestly cannot be arsed doing 2 days any more. I've asked Deborah for 1400 and she said that's fine.

Not logged in to my email Arashi for a while, so I haven't yet read your email.

BTW, are you planning to buzz it down before your 5th HST and shoot some photo's ? We could at least do an analysis then !

[Arashi]

Hi Arashi, well my hair is a bit longer than what it was, I'm not sure what use they would be in all honesty? I don't really want to grade it back down to a 1.

Without buzzing it down we can't do an analysis indeed. Well I understand you, I probably wouldnt want to buzz it down myself. It would be nice to finally have 100% proof HASCI's HST is a scam, cause people are still visiting their clinics and HASCI still tells them 85% of their hair will grow back. But then again, if people still go to HASCI, they didnt do their due diligence anyway.

[cocacola]

Hey we just wanna see how it looks! Even long is better than nothing!

[gc83uk]

Hi Arashi, well my hair is a bit longer than what it was, I'm not sure what use they would be in all honesty? I don't really want to grade it back down to a 1.

[Arashi]

I'm doing fine thanks!

I've been trying to book another HST, but they're completely booked up in London until 2015 pretty much, how crazy is that.

Decided I'm going to take a trip to Maastricht in August for 1 day of treatment, I honestly cannot be arsed doing 2 days any more. I've asked Deborah for 1400 and she said that's fine.

Not logged in to my email Arashi for a while, so I haven't yet read your email.

Hey Gaz !! Good to see you're back !! Do you think you can shoot some photo's to do an analysis ?

[gc83uk]

I'm doing fine thanks!

I've been trying to book another HST, but they're completely booked up in London until 2015 pretty much, how crazy is that.

Decided I'm going to take a trip to Maastricht in August for 1 day of treatment, I honestly cannot be arsed doing 2 days any more. I've asked Deborah for 1400 and she said that's fine.

Not logged in to my email Arashi for a while, so I haven't yet read your email.

[cocacola]

I think proving that hasci is right or wrong is one thing, another thing is to asses HST viability as a long term hair loss solution.

We have already at least 10 people on this forum that have done HST. Many of those have done multiple procedures, myself i am planning a number two soon. We could make a little database of users and their donor/recipient pictures to monitor.

After a few years some we might realize that there is actually regeneration when someone does a number 7 procedure and has a full head of hair. On the other hand, it could go the other way and we could realize that there is no regeneration. In that case as a group we could start taking actions to be compensated for being mislead. If there was already a law suit with 15 doctors involved in it, there would be many people interested in knowing the truth and be compensated if HST is not as advertised.

For me, HST is a good solution in my opinion regardless of the actual regeneration. However, when i took the decision to take the hair transplantation route, i assumed there is regeneration. Also, I would not accept paying so much for something that is falsely advertised.

@IM and GC

Would be great to get picture updates from you guys.

[Arashi]

We will never be able to 'prove' that hasci is not multiplying, he is playing it smart and safe, limit number of sessions + limit number of grafts per session, avoid small test that can be easily analyzed.

That way you will never have patient complain about depleted donor which is the most important and most people will run out of money or will give up after session or two.

its so sad that he can get away with this in EU.
Shows you that there are gaps in the system that can be exploited.

We ARE able to prove it, if Gaz comes back and helps us out See my 2 posts here: https://www.baldtruthtalk.com/thread...l=1#post177625

[ss1980]

We will never be able to 'prove' that hasci is not multiplying, he is playing it smart and safe, limit number of sessions + limit number of grafts per session, avoid small test that can be easily analyzed.

That way you will never have patient complain about depleted donor which is the most important and most people will run out of money or will give up after session or two.

its so sad that he can get away with this in EU.
Shows you that there are gaps in the system that can be exploited.

[Arashi]

ironman, if you don't mind can you post some actual pics of your scalp, please. would like to know how those 2 HSTs look like. and you also had a strip procedure before? how many grafts was it back then?

Ironman has 3 strip scars: http://s1.directupload.net/images/131222/45e54p7d.jpg

BUt as you can see he has an above dense donor region, especially the part above the extraction zone is REALLY dense, so I think HASCI is correct that he can have about 6000 more hairs before his donor is depleted. He could just go to a FUE surgeon to have it done (6000 hairs is 6000/2.5 = 2400 FUE grafts, so 1 x 2400 FUE treatment is going to yield the same thing at a fraction of the costs and he can have immediate results instead of having to wait 3 years. And he could have a nicer result cause HASCI's esthetic result is really poor compared to some of the top FUE surgeons. But Ironman rather goes to his friends at HASCI to pay top money for mediocre results Just cause he's too proud to listen to that voice in the back of his head and look at the data in front of him: https://www.baldtruthtalk.com/thread...ht=#post164424 and admit that he was wrong all those years ...

[joachim]

ironman, if you don't mind can you post some actual pics of your scalp, please. would like to know how those 2 HSTs look like. and you also had a strip procedure before? how many grafts was it back then?

[Arashi]

Here we go again …
Arashi’s “They can only do 3 procedures!” nonsense is still floating around.

And by the way, this is not 'my nonsense', it's Kristel's nonsense. Like all at HASCI is utter nonsense. This is a copy-paste of the email she wrote me as an answer to my question why Dean Sanders would only go 3 times to HASCI while he should go like 10x to get some decent coverage:

Toen hij op consult is geweest hebben we uitgebreid zijn wensen besproken. Het gaat hem om het vooraanzicht. Voorlopig wilt hij zijn haar kort houden en voorkomen dat hij bij de lengte van een paar mm tegen een ‘landingsbaan’ aankijkt. De kruin vind hij niet belangrijk. De 2e reden is dat de hergroei, zoals iedereen weet, niet 100% is en er dus na multipele behandelingen uit het donorgebied (in zijn geval reeds 3x ruim 1700) als we nog vaker gaan uihalen hetzelfde beeld gaat ontstaan als na FUE. Als cliënten aangeven dat ze toch regelmatig hun haren volledig willen kunnen afscheren, adviseren we maximaal 3x het donorgebied te gebruiken.

Yes. They advise an average client to transplant LESS hairs than you can actually do with an ordinary FUE !! Wow, what a magic procedure HST is eh !! It's actually worse than a FUE according to HASCI Anyway I agree with you on that nonsense part. What a joke. They are totally clueless at HASCI, making up stuff on the fly. If you tell that many lies, it must become hard at some point to not get strangled in your own web.

Anyway how is your analysis going ? You said you made good pre-op photo's and post-op photo's, it's been more than a half year, you counted 2200 extraction sites so you can now prove to everybody here that hasci has 85% regeneration, right ? But I guess you want to keep it all to yourself. 1882 posts supporting Gho on this forum and when you finally have hard proof, you keep it to yourself. Makes sense indeed.

[Arashi]

I don’t even have the best donor quality (in comparison to “virgin” and untouched scalps), but since day 1, they recommended me to do –at least- 5 procedures (with around 1500 grafts or so)

Hmmm let's see. An average donor has 10.000 hairs more than the magical limit of 125 hairs/cm2 (the limit when a donor starts to look thin). So an average person can use 10.000 hairs for a regular FUE transplant and his donor will still look good. As you agreed per your findings, HASCI transplants 1.3 hairs/graft. So 5*1500*1.3= 9750 ! Congratulations Ironman, you must have an average donor ! And that after your FUT, you should be happy. So, hang in there, you can enjoy your 5*9000= 45.000 euro 'very safe and loss less' FUE result in just 3 more years !