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Haha, Ironman talking about 'a real man'. The guy who thinks he's cool, insulting everybody who doubts HASCI, safely from behind his computer in the basement (yeah I just saw your insults on the dutch forums where they havent put you in moderation queue just yet). If you're a 'real man', I kindly invite you to meet up with me in real life and we'll see if you're still such a tough guy and still dare to insult me, how about that ?Comment
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Well, they're not going to do it anyway, I think pretty much everybody agrees on that, and they need an excuse, so they'll probably bring this up, or something similar. So indeed, I'm expecting an email where they state something along the lines that they don't like my posts here and therefore don't want to do the test. It's what I've always predicted: stall stall and then come up with some BS reason why they won't do it.Comment
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I thought they might bribe you or sign some papers to shut u up. They are in tight spot and mr kobren has been quiet for some time. makes me wonder. He didnt even go to see gho as promissed in interviewComment
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Arashi, have you heard anything new from Hasci about the 50 graph test procedure?
Also, does anyone know why Spencer is so quiet regarding this?
Wouldn't it be great if he would do a follow up on Hasci's HST technique?
I mean, after all, it's probably still the most debated hair multiplication treatment on this forum.Comment
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I'll agree that the artistic aspects could use work. Mine worked out okay because immediately grew my buzz cut out and never shaved it again, but sometimes I wonder what it'd look like shaved.
I'd get another procedure if it wasn't so expensive. I have some time before I really need to decide on the next move.Comment
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Yes sir ! Like said, Gho and Kristel wanted to talk to me, we scheduled a skype session which just took place !
First of all, they weren't agressive or nasty in anyway, I thought they might want to force me to stop posting but it wasn't like that at all. No, it was nice to talk to Gho for once and he seemed like a nice guy.
They brought up that they had read some of my posts at the Dutch forum which they didnt like and they thought I was wrong with some of my statements. I asked them what exactly and they brought up something I had to agree with. I had named a few Dutch celebs on The dutch Forum as their patients but that wasnt true. The confusion was due to an article from a magazine that they placed on their website. In it they named a few patients, I thought all of them went to HASCI but that wasnt true. Fair enough.
Then the important thing: the 50 graft test. In short, they don't want to do it (as I always said here). The reasons they gave:
1. They felt they had shown enough proof with the article in that British peer reviewed journal of dermatology. They said those guys investigated them for 2 years and getting something placed there isn't exactly easy
2. They said whatever proof they submit, people will always disbelieve them
3. They said doing just 1 case isn't scientific and doesn't proof anything at all.
4. They said that even if it works for me, people will always come up with "yeah but does it work for 100 or more grafts" or "Yeah but does it work for non causians" etc.
5. They said they were working on a 70 person trial which supposedly (I think Gho said 'hopefully') should be done december this year.
6. According to Kristel it was impossible to track 50 grafts in recipient.
My counter arguments I gave them were:
1. I told them that on the biggest hairloss forums on the internet there's only ONE guy left who still believes their claims (Ironman, hey I even told Gho your name, you must be proud
)Pretty much everybody else doubts at least to some degree their claims or doesnt believe them at all. So obviously more proof is needed
2. While doing just a 50 graft test for one guy isn't scientific in a statistical way, it surely would proof that at least it would work for SOME people ! And even that's something most people don't even believe at this point.
3. Surely people will always complain but proving it works for one person is really going to do a lot of good for them as a company
4. Tracking 50 graft isnt difficult at all, just look at the analysis JJJRS did, it's perfect. No problem at all.
However they still wouldnt want to do it. I said, ok then what if I just pay you guys for 50 grafts ? You dont have to do ANYTHING AT ALL, I just pay you for 50 grafts and thats it, I'll do the rest. They said no. I said, well I already offered you guys 1000 euro for 50 grafts, I'd like to offer you 2000 euro for 50 grafts. They said no. I said, ok well then, I will pay you guys 3000 euro to give me 50 grafts, what about that. They said no and told me to wait for their 70 person test.
That was it. In my opinion this really confirms all my suspicions. It makes NO sense at all to deny somebody a 50 graft test if he wants to pay 3000 euro. When I asked Gho why he didnt want to do even that, he came up with some very weird story which made no sense at all and it was very easy to see from his body language that he really didnt know how to answer that question. And of course there is no good answer there. The only answer is "I wont do it because I am afraid it wont work".
So, no 50 graft test will take place guys. HASCI wont do it even if you pay them 3000 euro.Comment
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That's embarrassing.Yes sir ! Like said, Gho and Kristel wanted to talk to me, we scheduled a skype session which just took place !
First of all, they weren't agressive or nasty in anyway, I thought they might want to force me to stop posting but it wasn't like that at all. No, it was nice to talk to Gho for once and he seemed like a nice guy.
They brought up that they had read some of my posts at the Dutch forum which they didnt like and they thought I was wrong with some of my statements. I asked them what exactly and they brought up something I had to agree with. I had named a few Dutch celebs on The dutch Forum as their patients but that wasnt true. The confusion was due to an article from a magazine that they placed on their website. In it they named a few patients, I thought all of them went to HASCI but that wasnt true. Fair enough.
Then the important thing: the 50 graft test. In short, they don't want to do it (as I always said here). The reasons they gave:
1. They felt they had shown enough proof with the article in that British peer reviewed journal of dermatology. They said those guys investigated them for 2 years and getting something placed there isn't exactly easy
2. They said whatever proof they submit, people will always disbelieve them
3. They said doing just 1 case isn't scientific and doesn't proof anything at all.
4. They said that even if it works for me, people will always come up with "yeah but does it work for 100 or more grafts" or "Yeah but does it work for non causians" etc.
5. They said they were working on a 70 person trial which supposedly (I think Gho said 'hopefully') should be done december this year.
6. According to Kristel it was impossible to track 50 grafts in recipient.
My counter arguments I gave them were:
1. I told them that on the biggest hairloss forums on the internet there's only ONE guy left who still believes their claims (Ironman, hey I even told Gho your name, you must be proud )Pretty much everybody else doubts at least to some degree their claims or doesnt believe them at all. So obviously more proof is needed
2. While doing just a 50 graft test for one guy isn't scientific in a statistical way, it surely would proof that at least it would work for SOME people ! And even that's something most people don't even believe at this point.
3. Surely people will always complain but proving it works for one person is really going to do a lot of good for them as a company
4. Tracking 50 graft isnt difficult at all, just look at the analysis JJJRS did, it's perfect. No problem at all.
However they still wouldnt want to do it. I said, ok then what if I just pay you guys for 50 grafts ? You dont have to do ANYTHING AT ALL, I just pay you for 50 grafts and thats it, I'll do the rest. They said no. I said, well I already offered you guys 1000 euro for 50 grafts, I'd like to offer you 2000 euro for 50 grafts. They said no. I said, ok well then, I will pay you guys 3000 euro to give me 50 grafts, what about that. They said no and told me to wait for their 70 person test.
That was it. In my opinion this really confirms all my suspicions. It makes NO sense at all to deny somebody a 50 graft test if he wants to pay 3000 euro. When I asked Gho why he didnt want to do even that, he came up with some very weird story which made no sense at all and it was very easy to see from his body language that he really didnt know how to answer that question. And of course there is no good answer there. The only answer is "I wont do it because I am afraid it wont work".
So, no 50 graft test will take place guys. HASCI wont do it even if you pay them 3000 euro.
Looks like I will NOT be going to HASCI for an HST! My money will be going elsewhere.Comment
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Pretty much exactly what I expected. There is only one reason to avoid any and all scrutiny like Gho and HASCI have, and that's because the procedure does not work like they claim it does.
Now that the 50 graft test isn't going to happen, I've basically lost all interest in HASCI and HST, and probably won't be posting about it anymore, beyond a final thread I'd like to start on the topic.Comment
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Well we can conclude at this point with 99.9999% certainty that their procedure at least doesn't work like they are marketing it (the 80%+ regrowth). It's the only explanation that a company doesnt want to do such test, let alone after being offered 3000 eur ! But it's theoretically possible that they don't want to do the test because there's only 20% regrowth for example. So it's still kind of unfulfulling ... We'll just never know. Yeah Gho talked about a 70 person trial December this year but who knows if that will even ever happen and who is there to monitor it IF it's even going to take place ?
Anyway for me at the moment, after all this, HASCI isn't any option anymore neither ...Comment
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