C5000 2nd HST yesterday

[c5000]

Hi all

Just to let you know, i had my second procedure yesterday.

1403 grafts, 1000 in crown and 400 in hairline.

Here are sone pics:


























Very happy so far and have booked next years procedure.

[c5000]

So what do you guys think?

[534623]

So what do you guys think?

I think you got what you wanted - what do you expect to hear?

The point is, with every additional procedure, you will see REAL improvements with HST - unlike those guys who desperate try to move their beard onto their scalp every year (tc etc lol).

[hellouser]

Did HASCI give you a limit of 3 procedures?

[c5000]

Did HASCI give you a limit of 3 procedures?

They didn't specifically say that.

They just said for my NEXT procedure that they want to fill the gap between crown and hairline... So possibly the use of the word "next" rather than "last" suggests that they are not limiting me to 3 procedures.

I'll ask the question to them directly and see what they say.

So what do you think hellouser? Does it look like a good idea to try to fill the scalp the way I have?

[hellouser]

So what do you think hellouser? Does it look like a good idea to try to fill the scalp the way I have?

If HASCI's regenerations claims are true then do as many procedures as you can afford. Most cases I've seen are limited to three procedures, which is about as much as the maximum donor grafts from a single FUE procedure.

[c5000]

If HASCI's regenerations claims are true then do as many procedures as you can afford. Most cases I've seen are limited to three procedures, which is about as much as the maximum donor grafts from a single FUE procedure.

I just got a reply from Hasci regarding my specific case and how many procedures I can get before my donor would be noticeably thin:

"Certainly 4, but more if you let it grow longer. You don't see the density loss in that case.. density wise you can do more treatments. There is enough (if you don't shave it to short)."

So yeah, seems like I can do 4 procedures while still shaving my hair short.

That's good news for me as to be honest I plan to have my hair a similar length to Bradley Cooper in the Hangover films.

I how many more procedures do you think I would need to achieve a reasonably full head of hair? Another 2 would be my guess...

[hellouser]

I just got a reply from Hasci regarding my specific case and how many procedures I can get before my donor would be noticeably thin:

"Certainly 4, but more if you let it grow longer. You don't see the density loss in that case.. density wise you can do more treatments. There is enough (if you don't shave it to short)."

So yeah, seems like I can do 4 procedures while still shaving my hair short.

That's good news for me as to be honest I plan to have my hair a similar length to Bradley Cooper in the Hangover films.

I how many more procedures do you think I would need to achieve a reasonably full head of hair? Another 2 would be my guess...

That 85% regeneration claim is pure crap then. You dont charge more than an FUE with the same donor amount if you have 85% regeneration.

[c5000]

That 85% regeneration claim is pure crap then. You dont charge more than an FUE with the same donor amount if you have 85% regeneration.

I'm not sure to be honest... Whenever I look at how Gaz has been transformed, I think that there just HAS to be regeneration.

I think maybe Hasci is just very very conservative.

[Arashi]

I'm not sure to be honest... Whenever I look at how Gaz has been transformed, I think that there just HAS to be regeneration.

I think maybe Hasci is just very very conservative.

If the 80% regrowth would be real, HASCI could do 14 (!!) HST surgeries before an average donor starts to look unnatural. They advise you a max of 4 (and you're even below their regular 1600 per transplant). Go figure.

[c5000]

Can anybody comment on how my transplant actually looks, rather than questioning regeneration?

[Arashi]

Can anybody comment on how my transplant actually looks, rather than questioning regeneration?

Well what do you want us to say man. It looks like they transplanted some grafts If you want to talk about the quality of the transplant, we'd need to see the final result and look at how they did the angles and mixture of hairs from the several zones. I'm not so happy about how that worked out in my case ... Quite a few angles are wrong and they didn't mix the grafts well, so some recipient has way too many thick hair while other parts only have thinner hairs. A good surgeon should get all angles right and correctly mix the grafts.

Dont get me wrong, I'm still happy that I went. But I would consider it as a below average result.

[c5000]

Well what do you want us to say man. It looks like they transplanted some grafts If you want to talk about the quality of the transplant, we'd need to see the final result and look at how they did the angles and mixture of hairs from the several zones. I'm not so happy about how that worked out in my case ... Quite a few angles are wrong and they didn't mix the grafts well, so some recipient has way too many thick hair while other parts only have thinner hairs. A good surgeon should get all angles right and correctly mix the grafts.

Dont get me wrong, I'm still happy that I went. But I would consider it as a below average result.

I just wanted to know what you guys thought about where I got my grafts placed.

So would you go back to Hasci?

[hellouser]

If the 80% regrowth would be real, HASCI could do 14 (!!) HST surgeries before an average donor starts to look unnatural. They advise you a max of 4 (and you're even below their regular 1600 per transplant). Go figure.

is the 14 projection based on a 15% cumulative drop in donor hair with each procedure?

As in, using a 4,000 graft figure we get:

1) 4,000
2) 3478
3) 3024
4) 2629
5) 2286
6) 1987
7) 1728
8) 1503
9) 1307
10) 1136
11) 988


I could go on but we see that it would be quite a while... and thats only harvesting and reharvesting the same follicle. However, its not likely that the same follicle will regrow that many times... But the head has far more than 4,000 donor hair available so you could just alternate between actual donor and others and switch back and forth.

However HASCI says you lose around 200 follicles with each HST procedure...

I think they're lying to some degree. Reason I say some degree is because Gaz's case is remarkable.

[Arashi]

is the 14 projection based on a 15% cumulative drop in donor hair with each procedure?

An average donor can lose about 3000-3500 FU's before it starts to look unnatural (which equals less than 50 grafts/cm2). 80% regrowth means you'd lose 20% each time, so you can go 5x more than with FUE. Agreed ?

As said, average donor can lose about 3000-3500. So if you'd have a FUE of 1600, you could go 2 times. Hence you could go 10 times at hasci for the same result.

Now, HASCi transplants about 1.4 FU/graft, average FUE is about 2/graft. That would mean you could go even more times: 2/1.4 * 10 = 14x before the donor of an average person starts to look unnatural. Yet, hasci advises their clients to go only 3 times on average.