Dr. Nigam, Can We Get an Official Timeline?

[didi]

This is what Dr mwamba posted on HRN forum:

Somebody asks:
"Didn't Dr Nigam say he'd post photos today???????"


Dr Mwamba

"It could be .He has his own records and for sure he should have many pictures to show .As a scientist , I can not rely solely on pictures .That's the purpose for us to conduct a series of trial in the two sites ( Brussels and Mumbai) with the same protocol .If the results are reproducible , it will be a proof of the concept by itself "



Unfortunately Dr Nigam does not have any pictures to show and that exactly is the problem we have with this. Im wondering what he has shown to Dr Mwamba in Mumbai?

[Arashi]

Unfortunately Dr Nigam does not have any pictures to show and that exactly is the problem we have with this. Im wondering what he has shown to Dr Mwamba in Mumbai?

Exactly Didi ! How can anyone even know his procedure works if he doesnt even have any documentation himself ?

[didi]

That 'jarjarbinx' dude from HS, what a moron, I was laughing my ass off

Jarjarbinx OR Ironman, which one is more retarded? Place your bets


Dr Nigam will go in history books as the first Dr who posted black&white photo on hairloss forums, it is supposed to be final proof of successful hair multiplication and this happened on November 1st 2013, when you thought this cant get any worse Nigam drops bombshell...

[didi]

"He has his own records and for sure he should have many pictures to show"


In regards to the statement above it appears like dr mwamba didnt see any pictures whatsoever when he was in mumbai otherwise he wouldnt say "he should have many pictures", he would have said 'I saw many pix'....


what a joke, wish arashi loses his bet but unfortunately he will win

[Arashi]

"He has his own records and for sure he should have many pictures to show"


In regards to the statement above it appears like dr mwamba didnt see any pictures whatsoever when he was in mumbai otherwise he wouldnt say "he should have many pictures", he would have said 'I saw many pix'....


what a joke, wish arashi loses his bet but unfortunately he will win

Believe me Didi, I'd love to lose the bet too. A hairloss cure to me is much more worth than 10k eur. That's what 1 HASCI surgery costs and that's a hell of a difference with a cure. But this way I'd at least get SOMETHING out of all this "Dr Nigam" misery And I like to put my money where my mouth is.

[drnigams]

NeedHairASAP,

Proposed Timeline as promised.


Hair doubling...

Goal-How to prove it works

1)Start the case of Mr Joshi(nw7) on 7th/8th and 9th nov 2013...
try to remove max donor possible and watch for donor and recipient growth.Repeat the procedure of doubling on mr joshi every 5 months,in total4/5 sessions.

If mr joshi backs off in between, for multiple session,start 2 more cases of nw7 by dec.2013 for back up.

The goal would be to convert them to nw2.

The short term goal would be to see donor regen after max donor grafts removal...as we will have another small session in mid december 2013,on mr joshi,to extract any donor left in the first session.

And also prove scarless hair transplants with doubling cases...

2)Appoint a clinical research company to create, assist ,audit and monitor...the clinical trial (under the category of medical treatment and not for a drug to be marketed) on various techniques on doubling.

This study would start by 15th december 2013, one in mumbai, and one at brussels.
Dr mwamba will visit mumbai, on 20th november 2013..to jointly finalise the study protocol with the clinical research company.

The release of the data... of the study, will be every 4 months for 2 years.

Follow the results of 6 months study with publishing in a reputable journal together with mwamba (mumbai and brussels study data)
by dec 2014.

Present the study data at the orlando ishrs live surgery workshop,usa(april 2014) and other major scientific meetings

3)Incorporate any new improvement in doubling,into the protocol whenever possible.

4)Dr mwamba to validate the claims as independent third party.
Other docs are welcome, dr cole may plan a visit to mumbai after christmas.

5)A new company will be formed by january 2014 at united states for research and corporate franchising of DOUBLING CLINICS, cannot disclose much about this... at this point,due to confidentiality agreements.

This new company will seek investors after the completion of 6 months clinical trial ,for research funding at mumbai and funding for probable regenerative lab at the outskirt of united states with relaxed stemcell regulations.
This new company will form partnership/franchise with surgeons worldwide to offer scarless fue and hair doubling.

6))Monitor and show results of tom's case, boldy's case and or any other forum members case as and when they visit as independent verification

7)By may 2014, when 6 months results of the clinical trial study are completed, succesfully...transfer the doubling technique to one city ..one surgeon with a franchise contract..of DOUBLING CLINICS(where hair restoration meets tissue engineering).

Regards hair multiplication

It is an evolving science,the goal is not to prove yet, but improve on it.
1)Will simultaneously start a new clinical trial study as a medical process(not as drug to be marketed) with the help of the same clinical research conducting company by 30th dec 2013.
Release the data ,every 6 months.

2)Improve on 3d spheroidal dp and epithelial cultures by using pva coated tubes for better aggregation and trichogenicity.
Find solution on hoiw to inject or implant 3d spheroids,mass production of 3d spheroids.This should be completed by april 2014.
3)Creation of microfollicle in the lab invitro.This would be replication of laudster and gerd's work.Should be completed by july 2014.Followed by a clinical study on it's efficacy.
Work towards better culture protocols.Work towards inproving trichogenicity of hair stemcell and dermal papilla and sheath cells.

Work on the right mix of nano particles to deliver growth factors and other topicals to support doubling and improve on hm..

4)Take up new clinical studies, after successful patch test result on newer research findings.

We already have necessary clearances in place, to conduct clinical studies as a part of medical process at a clinic or hospital for hair research.

5)Appoint few leading researchers on cellular hair regeneration as the scientific advisor to the new company by january2014.
Interact and share with the leading hair researchers across the globe by participating in major stemcell congress and meetings.
Upgrade the biotech lab at mumbai, by diluting the equity of mumbai clinic.

The timelines are always open to take up new improvements on the way.
Above is a brief , what would be our work for next 2years.

Any suggestions , if worth considering may be incorporated.

Doctor,

Can we get an official timeline of your experiments and a list of, specifically, your claims? Broken down by proven claims and claims yet to be proven but currently in experimentation.

We know that sticking to timelines, especially in this industry, is difficult. But having a timeline is important, as if we do miss the mark, we can adjust our future time estimations accordingly.

[Arashi]

I'm already looking forward to the black and white photo's of Joshi Dr Nigams ! Good luck !

[gc83uk]

Hello Dr Nigam, long time no see.

My suggestion here for Mr Joshi is the following:

1) Extract as many grafts as possible from donor over 1 or 2 days. Can you extract 5000 in 1 or 2 days? And implant in the recipient using your De-Novo and inject the donor with the protocol. Please do not place any bisected grafts back into the donor, instead place both halves in the recipient.

2) Do nothing else. Please no more follow up procedures in 1 month, 2 months. WHY? Because I think this one test alone, taking 5000 grafts over 2 days will be obvious enough to us all if this works, revisiting the donor area again in subsequent weeks/months could appear as some tampering has taken place.

OH before you start tomorrow, please shave his donor area completely. 1mm and take the best photos you have ever taken. Imagine your life depends on it. Sometimes I can end up taking 50 photos just to get the 1 important photo.

Edit - I suppose step 2 there is actually not so important, revising the donor for more grafts I should actually encourage, however I'm just trying to keep this simple. I hope you can take note of the other points raised at least. Good luck

[Arashi]

and take the best photos you have ever taken.

So, should those be in colour or not ? Hehehe. Sorry just having my laughs here. I will stop. But man ... Dr Nigams really must be the first doctor in hairloss history who had the balls to present photo's in black and white .. November 2013, that's when it all happened !

Ok, I had my laughs, on to the serious stuff now. I'll leave that up to you guys cause I only get angry when I talk to Dr Nigams. Good luck !

[gc83uk]

So, should those be in colour or not ? Hehehe. Sorry just having my laughs here. I will stop. But man ... Dr Nigams really must be the first doctor in hairloss history who had the balls to present photo's in black and white .. November 2013, that's when it all happened !

Ok, I had my laughs, on to the serious stuff now. I'll leave that up to you guys cause I only get angry when I talk to Dr Nigams. Good luck !

Not read the other forums yet, but only just seen the black and white photo. Was what the reason behind uploading a black and white photo? Serious question.

[Arashi]

Not read the other forums yet, but only just seen the black and white photo. Was what the reason behind uploading a black and white photo? Serious question.

Well, if you look at the photo in colours, which he posted later, the patient all of a sudden has a totally different hair colour in the after photo (well it's not only the hair colour, it's pretty much everything that's different, structure of the scalp, ears, hair growth direction etc). Dr Nigams commented that he thought changing it into black and white was a good decision cause he was afraid people would think it was a different patient. So he figured it was a good idea to change it into black or white. Or something like that I think. Who knows what he was really thinking ...

But the whole idea of posting proof of your technique, in black and white ... Really, what was he thinking ... What's next, a cartoon sketch of his patients ?

[Arashi]

According to Nigams, this guy:

http://drnigams.net/images/DK/Large/4.JPG

is this guy:

http://drnigams.net/images/DK/Large/3.JPG

Regardless whether that's true or not (I can't say with 100% certainty it's not), the photo's at least really make you think they are different persons and therefore are horrible photo's. Even if it was only just for the big difference in lightning.

[gc83uk]

According to Nigams, this guy:

http://drnigams.net/images/DK/Large/4.JPG

is this guy:

http://drnigams.net/images/DK/Large/3.JPG

Regardless if that's true or not (I can't see with 100% certainty it's not), the photo's at least make you think they are different persons and therefore are horrible photo's. Even if it was only just for the big difference in lightning.

Just going through everything now...

I can decide for sure on those photos.

But the fact that we're not sure if it's even the same guy is where Dr Nigam is failing in trying to convince us. It should be obvious and undeniable, until then we have to assume it's not the same person until proven otherwise.

[Arashi]

It should be obvious and undeniable, until then we have to assume it's not the same person until proven otherwise.

Exactly ! Evidence should be obvious and undeniable. If we have great doubts it's even the same guy, what good are the photo's ?

It's really making me angry. How many times did we explain dr Nigams how to make good photo's ? How many times did we suggest for him to pay $100 to get a professional to shoot them ? Instead, he presents us ... black and white photo's ...

Well, at least they're not 1 Megapixel like those other photo's he presented some weeks ago ... But man ... Really ...

[locke999]

According to Nigams, this guy:

http://drnigams.net/images/DK/Large/4.JPG

is this guy:

http://drnigams.net/images/DK/Large/3.JPG

Regardless whether that's true or not (I can't say with 100% certainty it's not), the photo's at least really make you think they are different persons and therefore are horrible photo's. Even if it was only just for the big difference in lightning.

The evidence just keep adding up that Nigam is a [potential defamatory comments removed]

I feel sorry for anyone who has ever went into his clinic and got robbed of their money when they could have spent it on somewhere that is actually legit. What I am mad about is he probably already made a fortune scamming people. This guy deserves nothing. His clinic needs to be closed and he should be in jail.