Sponsored 50 graft test

[Arashi]

If an active forum member is interested in travelling for free to India, including getting reimbursed for hotel stay, to get a 50 graft test at Dr Nigams, then let me know ! I'll be willing to sponsor that. The forum member should:

* Be a known, active member
* Willing to shave donor at least at 3, 6 and 9 months
* Know how to shoot photo's good enough for graft counting
* Only have 50 grafts done. These should be split and both halves implanted into an area easy to monitor, like just below the hairline or to fill up the temples.

[hellouser]

If an active forum member is interested in travelling for free to India, including getting reimbursed for hotel stay, to get a 50 graft test at Dr Nigams, then let me know ! I'll be willing to sponsor that. The forum member should:

* Be a known, active member
* Willing to shave donor at least at 3, 6 and 9 months
* Know how to shoot photo's good enough for graft counting
* Only have 50 grafts done. These should be split and both halves implanted into an area easy to monitor, like just below the hairline or to fill up the temples.

Will you be overlooking the procedure itself as well? There should be no funny stuff, like extracting grafts from other areas to fill in the 50 graft test area to give the impression its regenerated.

[didi]

I think invitro is better procedure than denovo, it promisses no loss in donor whreas donor loss with denovo is 40%...

invitro will be easier to test

[gc83uk]

I think invitro is better procedure than denovo, it promisses no loss in donor whreas donor loss with denovo is 40%...

invitro will be easier to test

I will strongly suggest that we don't do invitro. This is because when doing invitro all you are doing is putting half of the graft inside the donor and half in the recipient. If everything goes to plan you will end up with a greater number than 100% growth in the donor, because of his cell injection and also inserting the bisected graft back in the donor. This is where it gets confusing because we won't know which bit has worked (percentages etc)

Basically if you put half in the donor and also inject the donor with various ECM and stem cells etc, how will we know whether it's the newly implanted bisected graft in the donor that is growing or whether it is some other hair with a different configuration, there are so many variables, I just think it's better to have all the implanted hairs in 1 area

And we monitor just how good Dr Nigams cell based injection can restore an area which once had 50 grafts.

It will answer 2 questions in 1 test, plus Dr Nigam claims denovo is his best, so we have to test the best.

I understand what Didi is saying in that there is a 40% loss in the donor, but that doesn't matter too much, because we're just moving these hairs that would have gone in the donor to the recipient (to a clean area).

It's about the overall net gain, we won't be too critical if there is only 60% growth in the donor area, in fact 60% growth in the donor will be awesome with denovo if he can get say 200 hairs growing (from 50 extracted grafts) in the recipient.

[JDW]

would it not be more beneficial to follow through with a NW7 and properly test this out? I know it's been talked about and there were 6 going to be done at once, then Thane but nothing seems to have happened. Sorry if I've missed something but why would Dr not want to showcase exactly what this can do with definitive proof?

secondly is 50 going to be conclusive I hate to be sceptical but how do we know whoever is sent over will not be getting grafts moved from somewhere else to cover the donor area?

[gc83uk]

would it not be more beneficial to follow through with a NW7 and properly test this out? I know it's been talked about and there were 6 going to be done at once, then Thane but nothing seems to have happened. Sorry if I've missed something but why would Dr not want to showcase exactly what this can do with definitive proof?

secondly is 50 going to be conclusive I hate to be sceptical but how do we know whoever is sent over will not be getting grafts moved from somewhere else to cover the donor area?

Whoever is sent over will know whats going on and you would know if hairs were being taken out of one area and into another.

The good thing about not putting the bisected part back into the donor, will mean when you leave Nigams you will have a bald spot where the 50 grafts have been taken. You can't fake this bit. If his injection method works as he claims then the patient will have 60% regrowth in that former bald area where the 50 grafts have been extracted from.

As for the recipient, there should be 100 implantations. Just count them when you get back to the hotel.

To verify no other grafts have been taken from the other sections of the head, it would just require the patient to photograph the entire head. If there were any funny business (e.g extractions from other parts of the head) then we would be able to see it easily. (Bloody spots)

I don't know why but I have a feeling that Dr Nigam will not want this test to go ahead, I hope I'm wrong.

[Boldy]

what is wrong with awaiting mwamba's documentation in Belgium? he is a master in documenting, and very reliable. Is it really that hard to wait 2-max 3 months?

[gc83uk]

what is wrong with awaiting mwamba's documentation in Belgium? he is a master in documenting, and very reliable. Is it really that hard to wait 2-max 3 months?

There is absolutely nothing wrong with running dual tests, if anything it's quite exciting so please stop being a killjoy.

[Dees Dab]

Will you be overlooking the procedure itself as well? There should be no funny stuff, like extracting grafts from other areas to fill in the 50 graft test area to give the impression its regenerated.

An HD video camera on a tripod recording the whole thing might prove no funny business, no?

[hellouser]

An HD video camera on a tripod recording the whole thing might prove no funny business, no?

Something can always be done after the camera stops recording.

[didi]

50 grafts test can be done at dr mwambas clinic in belgium. He knows how to perform dr nigams doubling and i cant see issue with it, finding someone trustworthy with good photographic skills willing to travel to india will be extremely difficult unless arshi goes there himself.

[35YrsAfter]

If an active forum member is interested in travelling for free to India, including getting reimbursed for hotel stay, to get a 50 graft test at Dr Nigams, then let me know ! I'll be willing to sponsor that. The forum member should:

* Be a known, active member
* Willing to shave donor at least at 3, 6 and 9 months
* Know how to shoot photo's good enough for graft counting
* Only have 50 grafts done. These should be split and both halves implanted into an area easy to monitor, like just below the hairline or to fill up the temples.

Shooting decent, accurate photos is more difficult than most people think. One needs a great camera with appropriate lenses in order to get the necessary detail. Providing acceptable photography is where so many clinics fall on their face.

35YrsAfter also posts as CITNews and works at Dr. Cole's office
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email 35YrsAfter at chuck@forhair.com
Please feel free to call or email me with any questions. Ask for Chuck

[garethbale]

Shooting decent, accurate photos is more difficult than most people think. One needs a great camera with appropriate lenses in order to get the necessary detail. Providing acceptable photography is where so many clinics fall on their face.

35YrsAfter also posts as CITNews and works at Dr. Cole's office
forhair.com
Cole Hair Transplant
1045 Powers Place
Alpharetta, Georgia 30009
Phone 678-566-1011
email 35YrsAfter at chuck@forhair.com
Please feel free to call or email me with any questions. Ask for Chuck

Hi chuck

Was there anything behind the rumours that Dr Cole was going to visit Dr Nigam to assess his technique?

I thought Dr Cole said on this forum that he was going to see it to assess this...

[JDW]

Whoever is sent over will know whats going on and you would know if hairs were being taken out of one area and into another.

The good thing about not putting the bisected part back into the donor, will mean when you leave Nigams you will have a bald spot where the 50 grafts have been taken. You can't fake this bit. If his injection method works as he claims then the patient will have 60% regrowth in that former bald area where the 50 grafts have been extracted from.

As for the recipient, there should be 100 implantations. Just count them when you get back to the hotel.

To verify no other grafts have been taken from the other sections of the head, it would just require the patient to photograph the entire head. If there were any funny business (e.g extractions from other parts of the head) then we would be able to see it easily. (Bloody spots)

I don't know why but I have a feeling that Dr Nigam will not want this test to go ahead, I hope I'm wrong.

I agree with that and it's strange that the Dr. is not proactively pursuing this himself, How many months have we been talking about this now and after all the talk and dates getting delayed and delayed, he still won't crack on with testing on somebody. What happened to Thane and the rest? Are there really no NW7s he can find in India's 1.2 Billion population?

It's a great idea that people are pushing for this test
and as I said before I would consider putting myself forward for this with proper reassurances but there are just too many nagging questions and too much uncertainty imo.

If only the Dr involved wanted to prove this technique as much as people on this forum do!

[didi]

JDW

Arashi wanted to get in touch with Thane and offer him $10K to do it but I dont know what happened, Thane might not be interested in full head of hair and cash.

Dr Nigam did a few tests on obi and nsn, they both disappeared. He has poor record keeping and documenting skills.