It 's over. Dr. Mwamba confirmed Nigam!

[didi]

How big is his bald area?300-400cm2? IMO Thane lost 30 000+ FUs


Lets say bald area is 300cm2 @ 70 grafts/cm2 he will need 21 000 grafts or 17 500 grafts if he is 250 cm2



Is 70 grafts/cm2 reasonable density?

[fred970]

70 grafts/cm² is the average density for caucasian people.

[Arashi]

How big is his bald area?300-400cm2? IMO Thane lost 30 000+ FUs


Lets say bald area is 300cm2 @ 70 grafts/cm2 he will need 21 000 grafts or 17 500 grafts if he is 250 cm2



Is 70 grafts/cm2 reasonable density?

His donor looks like sh*t to begin with. I wonder how many grafts a regular FUE could get out of it ?

[TO YOUNG TO RETIRE]

when we get as fact a graft is above 2 hair average right?there are people like me that have mostly single hair

70 grafts/cm² is the average density for caucasian people.

[didi]

Regular FUE 2000-3000 MAX but nigam can do 2 x 5000 DeNOVO, that's 20 000 grafts in recipient and loss of 4 000 in donor, no scars.

He can have 20 000 grafts in next 6 months.

[One]

Regular FUE 2000-3000 MAX but nigam can do 2 x 5000 DeNOVO, that's 20 000 grafts in recipient and loss of 4 000 in donor, no scars.

He can have 20 000 grafts in next 6 months.

Didi maybe we're wrong. As the saying Arashi have to go easy on speculation.

Thane has not donor. It will have around 2000 grafts FUE stop. If nigam ago the de novo, they become - at best - in 6000 and 1400 recipient donor. Afterwards, you should stop because the donor is too compromised. Unless, splits any re-growth in recipient.

In short, I see it hard. We have to ask Nigam, never says that every time the action plan because I think I do not even know him, how he wishes to act on exactly such a case.

Technique, the expected time for recovery (24-36 months), etc..

[TO YOUNG TO RETIRE]

maybe extract a hair and cut it in 10? and boost it with all these to make all parts survive? that would be awesome

[Arashi]

Didi maybe we're wrong. As the saying Arashi have to go easy on speculation.

Thane has not donor. It will have around 2000 grafts FUE stop. If nigam ago the de novo, they become - at best - in 6000 and 1400 recipient donor. Afterwards, you should stop because the donor is too compromised. Unless, splits any re-growth in recipient.

In short, I see it hard. We have to ask Nigam, never says that every time the action plan because I think I do not even know him, how he wishes to act on exactly such a case.

Technique, the expected time for recovery (24-36 months), etc..

Yeah I think they should be able to get about 2000 grafts in one surgery. Then they could implant 4000 into recipient and donor should look untouched. If everything is documented correctly, it shouldn't be too hard to see if it works just by analysing this surgery. And would be even better if he could repeat it and hence get 8000 grafts in total.

[TO YOUNG TO RETIRE]

in the second operation why not use this denovo technique harvesting from recipient too?it will be 6000 grafts x3=18000 and the donor and previous recipient intact

Yeah I think they should be able to get about 2000 grafts in one surgery. Then they could implant 4000 into recipient and donor should look untouched. If everything is documented correctly, it shouldn't be too hard to see if it works just by analysing this surgery. And would be even better if he could repeat it and hence get 8000 grafts in total.

[Arashi]

in the second operation why not use this denovo technique harvesting from recipient too?it will be 6000 grafts x3=18000 and the donor and previous recipient intact

I doubt that's possible. But maybe Nigams can tell us something about this. Also would like to know how many grafts he thinks he can give this guy.

[didi]

I doubt that's possible. But maybe Nigams can tell us something about this. Also would like to know how many grafts he thinks he can give this guy.

Guys,

Forget about FUE , Thane is 60 yo and he wont experience further hair loss, ALL his horseshoe area is donor and it can be transplanted.
Don't worry about permanent/non permanent area, I bet hairs from non permanent area will last longer than him.

Assuming he got 15 000 FUs in horseshoe, in 1st session take 5 000-7 000 grafts invitro, 100% yield and 100% regeneration.NO LOSS in donor.

4 months later- repeat the process and keep repeating till Thane reaches desired density

Actually he doesnt need 70 grafts/cm2, 50-55g/cm2 would be good enough, that's still 15 000 grafts required.


I cant see nothing wrong with this plan and is doable unless donor doubling doesn't work the way Nigam claims?

[Arashi]

Guys,

Forget about FUE , Thane is 60 yo and he wont experience further hair loss, ALL his horseshoe area is donor and it can be transplanted.
Don't worry about permanent/non permanent area, I bet hairs from non permanent area will last longer than him.

Assuming he got 15 000 FUs in horseshoe, in 1st session take 5 000-7 000 grafts invitro, 100% yield and 100% regeneration.NO LOSS in donor.

4 months later- repeat the process and keep repeating till Thane reaches desired density

Actually he doesnt need 70 grafts/cm2, 50-55g/cm2 would be good enough, that's still 15 000 grafts required.


I cant see nothing wrong with this plan and is doable unless donor doubling doesn't work the way Nigam claims?

With traditional FUE they cherrypick grafts to make sure that the donor still looks ok after the grafts are gone. But if donor regeneration really happens, then there's no need to cherrypick. You can just remove ALL grafts in a certain area right ? So yeah, let's say he needs two surgeries to get to 15k grafts in recipient, that would be 7500 per surgery so 3750 in donor per surgery. And when you just can remove ALL grafts, I'm sure he could at least do 4000 per surgery indeed, maybe even 5000 (so 10.000 in recipient per surgery).

[TO YOUNG TO RETIRE]

that would be a week long operation :O

[didi]

Exactly, with donor doubling of 90%+ regeneration theres is absolutely nothing to worry about donor area, it will grow back anyway within 6 months or so.


I wouldn't use denovo as loss in donor is 40%. Go for normal invitro.

Im curious what Nigam thinks

[Arashi]

Exactly, with donor doubling of 90%+ regeneration theres is absolutely nothing to worry about donor area, it will grow back anyway within 6 months or so.


I wouldn't use denovo as loss in donor is 40%. Go for normal invitro.

Im curious what Nigam thinks

I think the best way to prove donor regeneration is not to cherrypick grafts. Just select an area and remove ALL grafts there. Patient needs to be confident it works though