Dr Nigam agrees to doubling slick NW6/NW7

[gc83uk]

If you want to analyse one area, that's fine. I just don't see the point of it.

This isn't a 1.5k procedure from HASCI. Nigam claims he's going to extract 5-7k grafts from a NW6-7, possibly multiple times. It will be completely obvious if there's scarring and donor regeneration. As long as the head is shaved and the pictures are reasonable, everything will be clear.

If this was a patch test, than yes, preop pictures and all that would be important. But it's not and Dr. Mwamba will be going there to verify that anyway. This is a huge procedure, mixing invivo/invitro. I would just focus on the main goal which is a NW6/7->NW2 transformation which can't be faked easily.

If you want to analyse things though and Dr. Nigam agrees, then go ahead but I think you'd just be wasting your time.

I know what your saying, but we're just covering all angles here. It should also be noted that Nigam mentioned 4000-7000 grafts to be extracted from the donor. If these turn out to be split grafts and a 1 hair grows back instead of a 2 hair FU in the donor then we're not going to be looking for 4000 grafts missing in the donor, but the equivalent of 2000 grafts. Granted 2000 grafts missing in the donor of a NW7 should be visible you'd expect. But that isn't guaranteed, especially somebody with excellent donor to begin with. Close up photos would be needed in this situation.

I'm also totally against mixing invivo and invitro.

[JJJJrS]

I know what your saying, but we're just covering all angles here. It should also be noted that Nigam mentioned 4000-7000 grafts to be extracted from the donor. If these turn out to be split grafts and a 1 hair grows back instead of a 2 hair FU in the donor then we're not going to be looking for 4000 grafts missing in the donor, but the equivalent of 2000 grafts. Granted 2000 grafts missing in the donor of a NW7 should be visible you'd expect. But that isn't guaranteed, especially somebody with excellent donor to begin with. Close up photos would be needed in this situation.

I'm also totally against mixing invivo and invitro.

If he's splitting grafts then he won't even come close to a full restoration. That's the nice thing about a NW6/7->NW2 transformation, you can't fake it easily.

In this case, I'd take a hands-off approach. Dr. Nigam knows the requirements. We're asking him to restore a patient to the greatest extent possible in the shortest amount of time. Let's see what he comes up with and judge it from there.

[hellouser]

If he's splitting grafts then he won't even come close to a full restoration. That's the nice thing about a NW6/7->NW2 transformation, you can't fake it easily.

In this case, I'd take a hands-off approach. Dr. Nigam knows the requirements. We're asking him to restore a patient to the greatest extent possible in the shortest amount of time. Let's see what he comes up with and judge it from there.

Video.

Good luck finding a con artist to fake a video documentary of the before and after results. Almost impossible and even if, its not worthwhile doing so.

Therefor, I think there should be videos to go along the NW7 - NW2 transformation. Most (well, damn near all actually) cameras have video capability. No reason why video can't be done.

[Arashi]

If he's splitting grafts then he won't even come close to a full restoration. That's the nice thing about a NW6/7->NW2 transformation, you can't fake it easily.

In this case, I'd take a hands-off approach. Dr. Nigam knows the requirements. We're asking him to restore a patient to the greatest extent possible in the shortest amount of time. Let's see what he comes up with and judge it from there.

In theory you're right. But I fully agree with Gaz that we need to cover all angles here. We need to get this right, for once and for all. So let's get some good donor pre-op photo's and we're assured that we can draw a final verdict.

[bananana]

But remember, we have only 1 or 2 years before Indian Parliament also passes law regulating stem-cell research and therapy.


What does this really mean for us? They (the govt) could ban Dr Nigams procedures? He will have to move his clinic?

[Kiwi]

But remember, we have only 1 or 2 years before Indian Parliament also passes law regulating stem-cell research and therapy.


What does this really mean for us? They (the govt) could ban Dr Nigams procedures? He will have to move his clinic?

Dude if you believe thats "really" going to happen you'd believe anything... thats like China saying they are going to "come down on piracy"... or New Zealand saying "they are clean and green"...

[bananana]

Dude if you believe thats "really" going to happen you'd believe anything... thats like China saying they are going to "come down on piracy"... or New Zealand saying "they are clean and green"...

Whats with the tone?
I'm just friggin' asking.

Why would Nigam say that anyhow?

[Arashi]

Dude if you believe thats "really" going to happen you'd believe anything... thats like China saying they are going to "come down on piracy"... or New Zealand saying "they are clean and green"...

If doubling works as Nigams says it does, we don't need HM anyway. He already succesfully cured hairloss in that case. And in case doubling does NOT work, who will ever believe Nigams again ?

[bananana]

If doubling works as Nigams says it does, we don't need HM anyway. He already succesfully cured hairloss in that case. And in case doubling does NOT work, who will ever believe Nigams again ?

HM is not nearly as invasive as doubling.
For us diffusers, HM is the way to go - IMHO.

I wish to see results/proof/improvements for both methods.

[Arashi]

HM is not as nearly invasive as doubling.
For us diffusers, HM is the way to go - IMHO.

I wish to see results/proof/improvements for both methods.

Health risks involved with cell therapy like HM are of course a lot higher. But just saying, either Nigams turned out to have really solved hairloss. In which case HM isn't that relevant anymore. Or he turned out to be a fraud. In which case he'll NEVER get HM up and running.

In either case, I wouldn't worry too much about what India might or might not do in 2 years.

[bananana]

Health risks involved with cell therapy like HM are of course a lot higher. But just saying, either Nigams turned out to have really solved hairloss. In which case HM isn't that relevant anymore. Or he turned out to be a fraud. In which case he'll NEVER get HM up and running.

In either case, I wouldn't worry too much about what India might or might not do in 2 years.

Ok, we'll see soon enough. This indeed will make or break everything - Dr Nigam, if you're reading this - I believe in you - but please take this challenge seriously, this is it. The final test.

Veca, I know you're here, dont be mad at some posters here, join the discussion.

[HairBane]

Looking forward to see if he can pull it off. If his method is capable of this though, why hasn't he already done it? All we've got a pictures with awful lighting.

I'm excited because there's no faking this, it's do or die for the nigster

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News?

[JDW]

As recently discussed in another thread, I contacted Dr Nigam suggesting we should find an NW7 SLICK bald, someone local from Mumbai. Take the maximum amount of grafts from donor, 5000 was suggested. If it works the donor will regenerate in full.

Repeat as above 6 months later.

His response below:

Gaz,
This is what the steps would be:
1) By 15th of Sept. 2013, I will recruit 5 sleek bald NW6/ NW7 candidates, offer them free treatments, the candidates have to be living near my clinic and medically fit.

2) Why I am choosing 5 is that if 1 or 2 disappear, we will still have other cases to follow.

3) I'll be performing a combination of
a) In-vitro hair doubling
b) In-vivo hair doubling
c) De-novo doubling
on these volunteers.

4) I will try to extract maximum graft from the donor possible in these cases, approximately 4000-7000 grafts in first sessions of 3-5 days and repeat the same after approximate 6 months.

5) I will be providing you before pictures of the volunteers by 15th September. Then, on the day of the procedure, I will mail you the shaved pictures and everyday photos after the session with videos , also with the patient reading the newspaper to confirm the date of the procedure, also single shot video of the whole scalp. If any of the photos are not upto the mark, you have to immediately mail me the same so that I can retake the pictures. Rest all the steps will be followed as you mentioned in the mail.

6) Why 15th Sept :
a) Mwamba with his technicians and a test patient is coming with Tom on 1st week of September. I'll be occupied with them. I'll need some time to find and recruit the right volunteers.

Please, let the critics know:
1) That we should work together as you said in the mail. Do not isolate me separately, we are all on the same boat. I am one like you all with an advantage of being of a doctor with a clinic,
2) Have a biotech lab,
3) Located at only place in the world which is not yet passed any law on stem cell research and therapy I have accessed to major published studies in doubling by the top researchers in the world, in stem cell hair multiplication, 3D speroids and micro-follicle creation in the lab.

I can mail and visit few leading researchers in the world and their labs to rectify and improve to ultimately reach near to the cure.

But remember, we have only 1 or 2 years before Indian Parliament also passes law regulating stem-cell research and therapy.

Need to share lot of other things with you including few early result pics of sleek, bald NW6/7 on whom I have already done first session of doubling in my next mail.

Regards,
Dr.Nigam.

Is there an update with this, it was supposed to be underway last week.
Many thanks

[gc83uk]

Is there an update with this, it was supposed to be underway last week.
Many thanks

Yes the patient is arriving next week. The patients name is Thane, he is the slickest baldest person on the planet. The minute we have more info it'll be posted here at TBT.