gc83uk's september '13 procedure.

[didi]

We went from 85&#37; to around 60%...now its <30%.....


My question is could it be 0% or even less?

[caddarik79]

Well I'll see how I look donor wise in a few months before I decide for sure that I'll be back next year, but it is the plan.

I am all for living for today, I would even move hair from unsafe areas for the short term gain, is that mad?

With HM coming at some point, I can fix my donor and any other gaps in the future if needed.

good luck with your regrowth donor + recipient and enjoy your head of hair ;-)

[Arashi]

Did you manage to take a look at the 500 extractions?

Pain in the arse because they merge with day 1's extractions, but still possible to analyse.

Not sure if there's any point in it. I'm sure my analysis is quite correct. Anybody can verify it. And yours is probably right too. Maybe if I have some time lateron this week I'll look at it but again, I don't think it will change much.

[gc83uk]

Just look at your result !! You not only look incredible much better, you've got your life back, as you word it yourself. And I can totally understand it. So you did good. I'm happy I went too. But at the same time, I won't go anytime soon again, cause I need my donor for later on. If regrowth would be 85% I'd be making my appointment right now. With < 30% regrowth you have to be careful how you use your donor.

Hmm well I wouldn't wait around for years on end mate. 30% is still ok.

You only need 1 hair for HM.

[didi]

His donor looked this horrible, like goat cheese


LOL.....I actually googled goat cheese ....funny sht

[Arashi]

Hmm well I wouldn't wait around for years on end mate. 30&#37; is still ok.

You only need 1 hair for HM.

30% would be ok. But remember how the petridish photo's looked in the 50 graft tests ? A lot of those grafts had way more hair than follicles. So a lot of them were 'partially failed' extractions. So these we haven't even taken into account yet ! We're assuming all 'transplantable' hairs grow but most likely this isn't the case. So in my example it's very well possible that not 1000 but only 700 hairs grew in recipient. Which would mean exactly 0% regrowth ...

[534623]

Well I'll see how I look donor wise in a few months before I decide for sure that I'll be back next year, but it is the plan.

Why? If you wish, you can know that in 2-3 WEEKS. And tell me, why should your donor look different to e.g. Dean Saunders 5000 HST grafts shaved down to the bone donor??

I always thought the tons of useless cow-licker threads in the "Cutting Edge / Future Treatments" forum are completely ridiculous - seems I'm wrong ...

[Arashi]

We went from 85&#37; to around 60%...now its <30%.....


My question is could it be 0% or even less?

Hehe. Ironman only looked at grafts growing back and thought there was 85% regrowth. I remember how happy he was. Then JJJJR's found out that a lot of times grafts grew back with less hair. So then we were at 65%. Then it turned out a lot of he extraction were failed extractions. So now we're at 30% max. And if not all hair grows in recipient ... yeah it might end up as 0% regrowth. Or even negative, as in with a regular FUE.

[didi]

Its official...Gho is con artist,....hi level sc*mmer, it all makes sense now...0 is donor regeneration

he uses splitting technique, failed extractions and other tricks of the trade to deceive na&#239;ve people but NET gain is 0..


he offers very expensive FUE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdYPxFMhEkE

[Arashi]

it all makes sense now...0 is donor regeneration

he uses splitting technique, failed extractions and other tricks of the trade to deceive naïve people but NET gain is 0..


he offers very expensive FUE

I guess I'd have to agree. Biggest trick of the trade is 50% less hairs per HST, so that makes it look like people can go more often than with FUE, while in reality, they just get half of the hair.

[Arashi]

Anyway, Didi, you were right all along .... And Ironman ... well let's not talk about him.

[gc83uk]

30&#37; would be ok. But remember how the petridish photo's looked in the 50 graft tests ? A lot of those grafts had way more hair than follicles. So a lot of them were 'partially failed' extractions. So these we haven't even taken into account yet ! We're assuming all extracted grafts grow but most likely this isn't the case. So in my example it's very well possible that not 1000 but only 700 hairs grew in recipient. Which would mean exactly 0% regrowth ...

True, but this is worst case scenario. It's easy to twist the figures up again. E.g 520 out of 720 (0.65 * 720) -200 = 268 grafts out of 520, basically 50%, ok you could lower than because of the 1.5 hairs per FU in the recipient, so instead of (520 * 2) 1040 hairs in the recip, you'll get about 780 hairs, so the equivalent of 390 (2 hair FUs)

520-390 = 130

268-130 = 138

So out of 520 to start with you're getting the equivalent of 138 FU net gain. 26% and that's only using JJJJrS 65% figure which I would question for serveral reasons (including when I photographed the same area a few months later and seen different numbers of hairs per FU to what he recorded).

[gc83uk]

Why? If you wish, you can know that in 2-3 WEEKS. And tell me, why should your donor look different to e.g. Dean Saunders 5000 HST grafts shaved down to the bone donor??

I always thought the tons of useless cow-licker threads in the "Cutting Edge / Future Treatments" forum are completely ridiculous - seems I'm wrong ...

That's what I meant!

[Arashi]

True, but this is worst case scenario. It's easy to twist the figures up again. E.g 520 out of 720 (0.65 * 720) -200 = 268 grafts out of 520, basically 50%, ok you could lower than because of the 1.5 hairs per FU in the recipient, so instead of (520 * 2) 1040 hairs in the recip, you'll get about 780 hairs, so the equivalent of 390 (2 hair FUs)

520-390 = 130

268-130 = 138

So out of 520 to start with you're getting the equivalent of 138 FU net gain. 26% and that's only using JJJJrS 65% figure which I would question for serveral reasons (including when I photographed the same area a few months later and see different numbers of hairs per FU to what he recorded).

Can you explain what number is what ? I don't see what you're doing here.

Anyway, off to the gym, be back in a bit to look at your example.

[didi]

now you see why hasci sabotaged 2 tests....smart move but not smart enough to trick me


lets hope nigam/mwamba venture don't end up like gho