gc83uk's september '13 procedure.

[gc83uk]

Well, I agree with Gaz and Caddarik that we'll have to monitor his 500 grafts to get a final answer. However since he had about the same failure to success extraction rate as you and I had, we now have a pretty good prediction that there won't be much regrowth ... We saw 65% excluding failed extractions. Most probably half of the extractions were failed extractions, just like in his last HST. So that leaves 15% for regrowth. But that's without monitoring recipient, so the actual number will be even lower. It now seems quite plausible that at the end of the day, Gaz didn't gain any hair at all.

Again, this is only a prediction and we'd need to monitor the 500 grafts to get a final answer. But this doesn't look too good. Not good at all ...

I'll upload the circled pics, they are shit tbh, I did them soon as I got home. The first pic is accurate, 200 circles above left ear.

The 2nd pic is perfect from the green line (end of pic 1) up to the big dark blood blob. Everything to the right of that I used another pic as a guide and made a circle in the shadow area of the pic. So to the right it's not that accurate, I just couldn't be bothered finishing it off properly with the 3rd pic.

On the 2nd pic, it says 255 in the left corner, ignore that! I think I circled 480 times in that 2nd picture. There is a few missing from the top, from my 3rd guide pic, I would say about 10, and there is a few dotted about on the right and some form the bottom, so I added on another 40.

Rolf did all of these 518.

Pic 1 (download and rotate it 90 left) https://www.dropbox.com/s/682q7elkfsoes2q/pic1.jpg

Pic 2, https://www.dropbox.com/s/um041eshavv271b/pic2.jpg

[caddarik79]

OK, then let's drop HST for good and focus on Mwamba.

What's the point of giving money to liars? seriously?
you should report your demonstration to court and sue them, why don't you?

[caddarik79]

Or why don't any of the convinced bashing regen of you just send his demonstration to Gho himself or Deborah and ask for a feedback ?

Especially you Arashi as ex-customer, why don't you just confront them to your certitude that they do NOT at all multiply sh*t and that they just very officialy lie and fool their thousands of patients?

How come you don't do that, insisting, proofing, with your supporting documents? why?

i'm dead serious!!! if you are so fed up with speculation, why not going very assetively as ex-patient and asking real deal answers on your so very affirmative lower then 15% regen claims!!!!

[Arashi]

OK, then let's drop HST for good and focus on Mwamba.

What's the point of giving money to liars? seriously?
you should report your demonstration to court and sue them, why don't you?

Well, we'd need to wait for the final result first. And then, a lawsuit would take tons of money. And they'd be like "Well if it didnt work for Gaz, that doesnt mean it didnt work for you" or the IronMan (non) argument "Gaz went too soon" etc.

But yeah, I surely feel cheated !

[caddarik79]

I say that because you seem to be so confident in your own expertise, you completely discredit their studies, their words on the site, you totally kill it.

But is it constructive to kill it only here? why don't you do something with your own very personal study and conclusion?

I mean, do you realise?

it's been months that you and some others are claiming that it's *****ng sure Gho is a fraud, that no way they regen anything but peanuts.

it's maybe stopping many people from trying HST, because you make it so crystal clear that it's a joke... but why don't you earn money with a trial? putting them to court? saving hundreds of poor balding people from being fooled!!!!

[caddarik79]

i'm not mad or something, let's be serious, i'm even confident about the future for hair loss sufferers.

But really, you and others stopped me from going for another this year because of your very affirmations that's it's all bullshit!!!

even without going to court, I would confront them if I was the author of such certitudes...

Here, you waste your time... somehow.

To be honest, I was very confident in Gho just by monitoring Gaz evolution, not the scrutinizing, but the normal look at the result so far.

But your claims and calculation and certitudes that we don't even reach 10% regen completely put doubts and I'm sure I'm not the only one.
I am not giving 10.000 euros for 10% regen, not even for 50% when 85% is advertised...

donor is very precious... but guyz, let's either confront them for good with a very documented e-mail and insist in having answers... and stop fuc*ing speculations or just drop this Gho part of the forum and focus on other stuffs.

[Arashi]

I say that because you seem to be so confident in your own expertise, you completely discredit their studies, their words on the site, you totally kill it.

I'm confident that my analysis is quite good. But it's merely a prediction. We'd need to watch how Gc83uk's 500 grafts develop. But honestly, I'm not sure if it's worth all that effort anymore. I don't see how he can up with a decent regeneration rate, based on what we know now ...

I also know Ironman is currently trying hard to find a mistake in my analysis (although he'll deny and will say he doesnt even care at all cause it's wrong anyway, hehe), but we all know he's currently working hard to find an error. Which is good ! So let's wait on his analysis too.

But again, I'm confident that my analysis is quite accurate as it is ..

[caddarik79]

I'm confident that my analysis is quite good. But it's merely a prediction. We'd need to watch how Gc83uk's 500 grafts develop. But honestly, I'm not sure if it's worth all that effort anymore. I don't see how he can up with a decent regeneration rate, based on what we know now ...

I also know Ironman is currently trying hard to find a mistake in my analysis (although he'll deny and will say he doesnt even care at all cause it's wrong anyway, hehe), but we all know he's currently working hard to find an error. Which is good ! So let's wait on his analysis too.

But again, I'm confident that my analysis is quite accurate as it is ..

OK right, but again, why don't you do something very constructive with all that confidence?... assuming that you for example killed the decision of some people who were picking HST as the solution...

Why don't you go to the end of the process and confront THEM (not us) but THEM even just with a very documented e-mail...

Who cares about IM counter attack... ask Gho a counter attack on your accurate study!!!!

i'm not even suggesting Court, but a real deal e-mail with an answer from either Gho, or Rolf or whoever.

[gc83uk]

I say that because you seem to be so confident in your own expertise, you completely discredit their studies, their words on the site, you totally kill it.

But is it constructive to kill it only here? why don't you do something with your own very personal study and conclusion?

I mean, do you realise?

it's been months that you and some others are claiming that it's *****ng sure Gho is a fraud, that no way they regen anything but peanuts.

it's maybe stopping many people from trying HST, because you make it so crystal clear that it's a joke... but why don't you earn money with a trial? putting them to court? saving hundreds of poor balding people from being fooled!!!!

I honestly don't think it's quite so black and white.

A couple of points worth mentioning, on day 1, one of the techs started extracting, she was extracting for about an hour or so, I can't be sure, however I was surprised when I heard she had only extracted 188. I felt very drowsey and every time I tried to count I'd drift off the sleep, serious!

Anyway point is, tech 1, who extracted 188 seemed to me like a lot more drills were taking place. Tech 2, Rolf, he was flying through it and seemed much much better, not many extra drills, (not that noticeable anyway).

Something else which comes to mind. Just to lead into this point, I'm quite a realistic person and I'm fully aware I'm slowly thinning out my donor the more HST's I have. As you'll have noticed I have a large linear scar in my donor. I asked Rolf if he could thin out the surrounding donor, because in my mind doing this will make the scar less obvious (reducing the contract of thick donor to zero hair). Rolf was like yea yea no problem, good idea kinda thing!

Mentioned it to Deborah later, she was like: "Well unfortunately that hair will grow back as it was before. "

There is nothing that unfortunate about that statement, other than they truly believe what their doing works, even when you're asking them to thin an area deliberately lol.

[534623]

Of course I'm going to check it all again. And then will release all my calcs so people can verify. But if this is correct, and it seems it is ... then this means that most probably you had the same ratio last time. Which means that regeneration was pretty low, probably lower than 10%, but we'll have to look into that.

Pfffffffffft….

"Probably lower than 10%" ?

All the following is for all those people only, whose IQ is, at least, just a little bit higher than the average IQ of an ape …

These two well-known analysis pics of gc83uk’s 2nd procedure show the (pre-)result of around 50 extraction points …




So, that was clearly more than 80%. Another completely independent analysis of even more than 100 extraction points confirmed my result …

I've analyzed over 100 extraction points from gc83uk's 2nd and 3rd HST procedures.
There's not a whole lot you can analyse with the 2nd procedure but my final regeneration rate is 80.5%.

So 80.5% of the extraction points regenerated hair.

According to all these FACTS – the result is always around 80%. In simple words, around 80% of all the bloody extraction points regenerated again – WITH HAIR PRODUCING FOLLICLES!

And now the whole point of the story:

An analysis of 50 or even more than 100 extraction points – try to imagine 5000 or 10000 extraction points (!) within the blue square in the pics above – THE RATIO will be always the same!

That means, it doesn’t matter how many “failed extraction points” or shit whatever you can see or count within a given area – THE RATIO will be always the same!! And that’s simply THE reason why gc83uk’s donor will look almost “pristine” even after having his 5th or 6th or more HST procedure – simply because you have to see the whole extraction point story from a “global” perspective. And finally, what I just tried to explain, is not even a new story – Dr. Gho explained all this in detail (about “failed extractions” or “unusable grafts” etc etc) very well already in his HST study – published in 2010.

Oh, and just in case jerky still doesn't get it:
Explain me please, why gc83uk's donor area, and after haveing 3000 HST grafts already, still looked "pristine" while already having a good coverage of his slick bald area with HAIR?

[gc83uk]

And guys I know this is about the HST in general, but for me HST really was the only realistic option I had for any type of hair transplant. Transplanting on to scarred tissue is not easy. Most surgeons had reservations about it and tried to put me off.

I don't know if other clinics do the stick and place method, I hadn't heard of it until Hasci.

[caddarik79]

I honestly don't think it's quite so black and white.

A couple of points worth mentioning, on day 1, one of the techs started extracting, she was extracting for about an hour or so, I can't be sure, however I was surprised when I heard she had only extracted 188. I felt very drowsey and every time I tried to count I'd drift off the sleep, serious!

Anyway point is, tech 1, who extracted 188 seemed to me like a lot more drills were taking place. Tech 2, Rolf, he was flying through it and seemed much much better, not many extra drills, (not that noticeable anyway).

Something else which comes to mind. Just to lead into this point, I'm quite a realistic person and I'm fully aware I'm slowly thinning out my donor the more HST's I have. As you'll have noticed I have a large linear scar in my donor. I asked Rolf if he could thin out the surrounding donor, because in my mind doing this will make the scar less obvious (reducing the contract of thick donor to zero hair). Rolf was like yea yea no problem, good idea kinda thing!

Mentioned it to Deborah later, she was like: "Well unfortunately that hair will grow back as it was before. "

There is nothing that unfortunate about that statement, other than they truly believe what their doing works, even when you're asking them to thin an area deliberately lol.

I like your always very constructive way of answering.

But don't you think it's time to know for good about the 85%?

I mean, it would make everyone more comfortable.
seriously, if your donor in let say september 2014 still looks almost untouched and you have an honest coverage on top, doesn't that mean that the 85% might be right?

they have a 13.000 grafts client with a very slightly thinning donor and I was confirmed by Pierre that the guy could go on... if he wanted.


I'm not saying that there were no "blurry" episodes.
But if we are so sure they are liars, why do we even continue with them?
And why isn't Arashi contesting and confronting them with his very strong arguments (because somehow he sounds convincing as much as they can be with their own documentation)

[caddarik79]

Pfffffffffft….

"Probably lower than 10%" ?

All the following is for all those people only, whose IQ is, at least, just a little bit higher than the average IQ of an ape …

These two well-known analysis pics of gc83uk’s 2nd procedure show the (pre-)result of around 50 extraction points …




So, that was clearly more than 80%. Another completely independent analysis of even more than 100 extraction points confirmed my result …



According to all these FACTS – the result is always around 80%. In simple words, around 80% of all the bloody extraction points regenerated again – WITH HAIR PRODUCING FOLLICLES!

And now the whole point of the story:

An analysis of 50 or even more than 100 extraction points – try to imagine 5000 or 10000 extraction points (!) within the blue square in the pics above – THE RATIO will be always the same!

That means, it doesn’t matter how many “failed extraction points” or shit whatever you can see or count within a given area – THE RATIO will be always the same!! And that’s simply THE reason why gc83uk’s donor will look almost “pristine” even after having his 5th or 6th or more HST procedure – simply because you have to see the whole extraction point story from a “global” perspective. And finally, what I just tried to explain, is not even a new story – Dr. Gho explained all this in detail (about “failed extractions” or “unusable grafts” etc etc) very well already in his HST study – published in 2010.

Oh, and just in case jerky still doesn't get it:
Explain me please, why gc83uk's donor area, and after haveing 3000 HST grafts already, still looked "pristine" while already having a good coverage of his slick bald area with HAIR?

thank you, good reminder!!!!

God damn it!!!!

and if the bashers are so sure, please confront to Gho and let us know about the feedback, but let's stop pretending!!!!


and yes, like IM, I have that impression that Gaz will keep a great donor, even in september next year after his 5th procedure!!!

And if you can keep going GC, go for it!!!!! you will end up with a NW0 full density!!!

[gc83uk]

I like your always very constructive way of answering.

But don't you think it's time to know for good about the 85%?

I mean, it would make everyone moe comfortable.
sirously, if your donor in let say september 2014 still looks almost untouched and you have an honest coverage on top, doesn't that mean that the 85% might be right?

they have a 13.000 grafts client with a very slightly thinning donor and I was confirmed by Pierre that the guy could go on... if he wanted.


I'm not saying that there were no "blurry" episodes.
But if we are so sure they are liars, why do we even continue with them?
And why isn't Arashi contesting and confronting them with his very strong arguments (because somehow he sounds convincing as much as they can be with their own documentation)

Well I'm sure Arashi cannot bet his life on any of this yet, hence why he is probably going to wait a little longer before making any concrete conclusions.

Who is Pierre? Why don't you ask Pierre what he thinks about this.

[Arashi]

Pfffffffffft….

"Probably lower than 10%" ?

All the following is for all those people only, whose IQ is, at least, just a little bit higher than the average IQ of an ape …

These two well-known analysis pics of gc83uk’s 2nd procedure show the (pre-)result of around 50 extraction points …




So, that was clearly more than 80%. Another completely independent analysis of even more than 100 extraction points confirmed my result …



According to all these FACTS – the result is always around 80%. In simple words, around 80% of all the bloody extraction points regenerated again – WITH HAIR PRODUCING FOLLICLES!

And now the whole point of the story:

An analysis of 50 or even more than 100 extraction points – try to imagine 5000 or 10000 extraction points (!) within the blue square in the pics above – THE RATIO will be always the same!

That means, it doesn’t matter how many “failed extraction points” or shit whatever you can see or count within a given area – THE RATIO will be always the same!! And that’s simply THE reason why gc83uk’s donor will look almost “pristine” even after having his 5th or 6th or more HST procedure – simply because you have to see the whole extraction point story from a “global” perspective. And finally, what I just tried to explain, is not even a new story – Dr. Gho explained all this in detail (about “failed extractions” or “unusable grafts” etc etc) very well already in his HST study – published in 2010.

Oh, and just in case jerky still doesn't get it:
Explain me please, why gc83uk's donor area, and after haveing 3000 HST grafts already, still looked "pristine" while already having a good coverage of his slick bald area with HAIR?

It's getting a big boring when you keep repeating stuff that you know is wrong. Even JJJJR_S, who you quote, asked you to stop quoting that post cause he found out it was dead wrong. In fact, he asked you several times why you kept posting it and why you kept misleading people.

JJJJR_S found out that, what you failed to grasp, a lot of time graft didn't grow back as original, but they lost hairs. So a 2 hair graft wouldn't grow back as 2, but as 1. Taken that into account, his verdict was that regeneration was only 65%. However he didn't know by then that half of the grafts he was monitoring weren't even real extractions .. they were just unextracted/failed extractions !