gc83uk's september '13 procedure.

[caddarik79]

It sure is. Life changing in so many ways! And thanks!

If you guys were me, would you place all the grafts in the main area again? I'm considering asking for say a few hundred in the front to make a nicer hairline and the rest in the middle. I don't mean bring my hairline forward, just fill in those gaps in the corners a little!

If the two are possible, I would do a little + in HL and then densify the main area...
depends on the number of grafts and future sessions in terms of potential...

a good HL is a game changer...
I would never ask to have an artificially very low HL, but if I could just have mine back... the one of my 20's, that would be great...

And I guess, with a high density in front like 70FU/cm2 and a 50FU/cm2 on the rest of the head, you can already enjoy some haircut.. later around 2018, maybe densifying everything at high level won't be an issue anymore.

Also, can you ask them if HST patients like you will be eligible for HM? (cause this gives loads of credit to the bridging strategy and you are in the middle of it)

[Arashi]

Hi GC,

I don't want to bother you with that, and I wish you very good luck, as IM said, great result so far.

Do you mind asking some questions on the D day with the people working on you or directly to Gho?
You know, about this so bashed regeneration? can we trust the 85%? the future treatments to come? the limits and maybe even ask them what they think about competition coming (Nigam, Mamba, Wesley etc), if they prepare something stronger to shut everyone's mouth?


I can't wait to see your results... this will determine many things and I am curious about your own limitation, I mean, maybe you could ask for how many other treatments you would be eligible.


all the best for your density venture :-)

All these questions were asked before, caddarik. HASCI will always defend their 85% regen. They've always done that and will always do. Maybe it would be an interesting discussion though when Gaz mentions that when we took into account that some of his donor multiple hair grafts grew back as singles, the regen turned out to be only 65% and that was even excluding failed extraction and recipient analysis. Would like to hear what their answer would be there.

Also from analysing the patient cases and their 2 50 graft tests, it seems that HASCI transplants way less hair per graft than other clinics (about half). Maybe that's an interesting discussion too ? Although I'm not sure how comfortable you are about talking with them on these topics. They might not like the subject too much ...

Regarding future treatments, they're working on it but nobody including themselves knows when it will be available. The thing is that their current future technique causes hairgrowth to happen in patches and this makes the result look very unnatural. As always the case with research like this, it's impossible to say when and even if they'll ever succeed.

[caddarik79]

All these questions were asked before, caddarik. HASCI will always defend their 85% regen. They've always done that and will always do. Maybe it would be an interesting discussion though when Gaz mentions that when we took into account that some of his donor multiple hair grafts grew back as singles, the regen turned out to be only 65% and that was even excluding failed extraction and recipient analysis. Would like to hear what their answer would be there.

Also from analysing the patient cases and their 2 50 graft tests, it seems that HASCI transplants way less hair per graft than other clinics (about half). Maybe that's an interesting discussion too ? Although I'm not sure how comfortable you are about talking with them on these topics. They might not like the subject too much ...

Regarding future treatments, they're working on it but nobody including themselves knows when it will be available. The thing is that their current future technique causes hairgrowth to happen in patches and this makes the result look very unnatural. As always the case with research like this, it's impossible to say when and even if they'll ever succeed.

I don't agree with you, they must know more, they are working on improving the HM, maybe they have some other types of results, maybe they have an idea of how long it can take... it's promising tough.

about the 85% regen and regrowth, if Nigam pretends he is close to 100% and ready to deliver the secret to mwamba, why would Gho not be able to have 85?

Telogen hairs theory seems consequent.

but i'm not denying there were some blurry episodes with HASCI, that's why I wanted maybe to use GC as a good agent for info.
He is a priviledge case, a good client of Gho, they showed loyalty with him and so far achieved what they promised... they beat the FUE who were giving no chance to GC... look now how great it is for him, from slick to honnest coverage on shaved head and this will only improve!!!


I'd like that this september month brings real good confirmations about HST;;;

[Arashi]

about the 85% regen and regrowth, if Nigam pretends he is close to 100% and ready to deliver the secret to mwamba, why would Gho not be able to have 85?

Yeah, that's what's Nigams always been doing: pretending things. He's never presented 1 single piece of reliable evidence.

And all current evidence we have on HASCI isn't looking too good either. In his previous case, GC's regen was 65%, excluding failed extractions and recipient analysis. Now GC did say he paid attention to failed extractions last time and he said he thought there weren't too many. Let's hope that's correct. But what if he was wrong and there are actually as many failed extractions as in my case and in C5000's case ? My success to extraction ratio was about 12:20 and C5000 even reported a ratio way worse. If GC's ratio was 12:20 in his last case too and if 10% of his recipient didn't survice (which seems to be about normal with FUE), then it's quite possible he just didn't have any regeneration at all... Or at least a number pretty damn close to 0%.

Anyway, that's why we need this case. We finally need to get to the bottom of this. Because if we're not going to analyse this case, we'll still know nothing in 10 years ...

[Arashi]

BTW, my current own guestimate is that we'll see some regrowth, I'd say about 30-40%. Cause I think that if failed extractions were as bad with GC as they were in my case, GC surely would have noted. So I'd say he had some failed extraction but not too many. Maybe about 20%. And I think as with any FUE, about 10% of the grafts in recipient died. So I'd say a net regeneration number around 35% seems plausible. But we'll find out ...

[534623]

Also from analysing the patient cases and their 2 50 graft tests, it seems that HASCI transplants way less hair per graft than other clinics (about half). Maybe that's an interesting discussion too ? Although I'm not sure how comfortable you are about talking with them on these topics. They might not like the subject too much ...

I don't think they have any problem with talking about this subject - they will simply ask what I would ask:

Why don't jerks like you choose one of these clinics who offer you more hair per graft?????????????


"more hair per graft" ... yeah, sure... back to the future ...

[Arashi]

If you can't have the decency to act like an adult and cant even have a discussion without insults, I just keep on reporting your posts to Winston, until he finally had enough of that and places you in the moderation queue. Hopefully he's quite close to that idea already. Because you're just frustrating this thread. Either you're afraid of what we'll find or you just like to troll. In either case, hopefully Winston will jump in at some point.

Again, if you want to have a honest discussion, everybody here is ok with you participating. Of course. But if you're just trolling and insulting, hopefully Winston will finally ban you, or at least put you in moderation queue.

[534623]

Again, if you want to have a honest discussion...

... about more hair per graft? No, thank you.

[534623]

Because you're just frustrating this thread. Either you're afraid of what we'll find or you just like to troll.

Oh, by the way ...

NOBODY will see neither something from "we" and definitely NOTHING useful from you - or is "we" telling me, that they could EVER see something useful from you??

The latter is a SERIOUS question ... as SERIOUS like my "more hair per graft" question for you in my previous posts.

[greatjob!]

If you can't have the decency to act like an adult and cant even have a discussion without insults, I just keep on reporting your posts to Winston, until he finally had enough of that and places you in the moderation queue. Hopefully he's quite close to that idea already. Because you're just frustrating this thread. Either you're afraid of what we'll find or you just like to troll. In either case, hopefully Winston will jump in at some point.

Again, if you want to have a honest discussion, everybody here is ok with you participating. Of course. But if you're just trolling and insulting, hopefully Winston will finally ban you, or at least put you in moderation queue.

+1. At one point he was a somewhat useful member, but he has retreated into complete madness.

Oh, by the way ...

NOBODY will see neither something from "we" and definitely NOTHING useful from you - or is "we" telling me, that they could EVER see something useful from you??

The latter is a SERIOUS question ... as SERIOUS like my "more hair per graft" question for you in my previous posts.

You should definitely stop doing hardcore drugs while posting on the internet, just results in incoherent ramblings of a mad man.

[Arashi]

Oh, by the way ...

NOBODY will see neither something from "we" and definitely NOTHING useful from you - or is "we" telling me, that they could EVER see something useful from you??

The latter is a SERIOUS question ... as SERIOUS like my "more hair per graft" question for you in my previous posts.

Do you have any idea how difficult all those capitals make your posts to read ?

Anyway, this is not about me. Or about you. This is about finding out if Gho's procedure works. Anybody can help out. If you don't want to, fine, but ask yourself, aren't there better things you can do with your time than just to frustrate this thread ?

[gc83uk]

I'm back in the hotel now, I finally met Deborah today, lovely girl.

Ok the bad news from an analysis point of view is that I've had 1300 grafts today. Great news for me of course. Hopefully that won't put you off too much Arashi.

I'll start taking pics in a couple of hours, I feel a bit ****ed to be honest.

Tomorrow she wants to do a mini session, probs about 400.

So I should end up with at least 1700 maybe more in total, taking me to approx 4700 grafts.

I should also note I've had exactly 300 grafts placed in the front using the normal method with the other 1000 in the main area using the stick and place method.

[Arashi]

I'm back in the hotel now, I finally met Deborah today, lovely girl.

Ok the bad news from an analysis point of view is that I've had 1300 grafts today. Great news for me of course. Hopefully that won't put you off too much Arashi.

I'll start taking pics in a couple of hours, I feel a bit ****ed to be honest.

Tomorrow she wants to do a mini session, probs about 400.

So I should end up with at least 1700 maybe more in total, taking me to approx 4700 grafts.

I should also note I've had exactly 300 grafts placed in the front using the normal method with the other 1000 in the main area using the stick and place method.

Actually this is wonderful news Gaz !! If you can shoot perfect pictures tonight, then we can just monitor the 400 that they're going to do tomorrow !! (but we need tonights pictures of course to be able to differ which grafts they did today). Of course it would have been even better if they had just done 400 today. But this could actually make things easier, as long as they don't spread the 400 all over the place (both in terms of donor as recipient)

Just make sure you shoot tons of pictures tonight mate !

[gc83uk]

Actually this is wonderful news Gaz !! If you can shoot perfect pictures tonight, then we can just monitor the 400 that they're going to do tomorrow !! (but we need tonights pictures of course to be able to differ which grafts they did today). Of course it would have been even better if they had just done 400 today. But this could actually make things easier, as long as they don't spread the 400 all over the place (both in terms of donor as recipient)

Just make sure you shoot tons of pictures tonight mate !

Decided to shoot about 20 pics just now, I've deliberately taken them from a distance just so you can see what's happening.

The 400 are all going in the mid crown area. The area that was most sparse to start with, so yeah it might be a blessing.

Will upload these to Dropbox once I've got my wifi sorted. 5 mins

[gc83uk]

Lol there is no love lost between you two.

Arashi I've uploaded to the Dropbox account. Having a bit of trouble sharing the folder and posting link with this crappy ipad.

They are inside a another folder, so 2 levels down.