gc83uk's september '13 procedure.

[gc83uk]

you don't get it GC do you.

theres nothing wrong wit hst apart from the way its advertised, I honestly think splitting graft isn't bad option for people who want to shave their head, its probably the only option out there until real hm/doubling comes out.



even dr umar said how some people prefer hair splitting as it gives them option to shave it, but no hair gain...in fact you have less hair because not all hairs take on.


anyway, back on the subject. How did arashi plan to accurately assess recipient? I guess we have to count everything that's growing in reciepint from previous HSTs?Are pix good enough to do that?

Look I do get it, it's not complicated, so no need to say that, I don't know why you can't relax a bit more and try to be less condescending. I don't have to waste my time here, I don' think you've ever said thanks for me bringing my case to the forums.

You almost make me feel guilty for doing HST when it was the only option I had, which I think from your previous message, you do understand.

The thing is, I don't understand why you complain here to us about HST instead of taking action and do what you believe is right. I understand you feel they are misleading people, that is your prerogative to believe anything you want. But do something about it!

Back on topic, not discussed the recipient side too much with Arashi, but I'll take some pics of the recipient in a few days, the tiny scabs hinder the pictures imo. Feel free to suggest some ideas, but I think yea we may need to just count whats in the recipient from all the HST's I've had.

I understand HST might not be for everyone mate, I don't go round promoting it, but I'm just so thankful I can shave my head (as you said) and not worry about scaring, that's such an amazing feeling.

[didi]

you don't get it GC do you.

theres nothing wrong wit hst apart from the way its advertised, I honestly think splitting graft isn't bad option for people who want to shave their head, its probably the only option out there until real hm/doubling comes out.



even dr umar said how some people prefer hair splitting as it gives them option to shave it, but no hair gain...in fact you have less hair because not all hairs take on.


anyway, back on the subject. How did arashi plan to accurately assess recipient? I guess we have to count everything that's growing in reciepint from previous HSTs?Are pix good enough to do that?

[gc83uk]

Why so pissed off?? You seem very sensitive.

Its not my fault Ghos HSts gone down the toilet, don't blame the messenger.....I m just truth seeker, not a dreamer

I'm not even close to pissed off, why would I be?

I couldn't be happier if truth be told.

What I will say though, is I know you have it in for me because I pursued my only option which was to go with Gho. Tell me what else I could have done, seriously?

I can't keep waiting mate. If you want to have honest frank discussions I can do, just depends on you too.

[didi]

If you want to see my recipient, you address me, not Arashi.

Secondly, until you start to show some respect, you won't be seeing Jack shit.

Why so pissed off?? You seem very sensitive.

Its not my fault Ghos HSts gone down the toilet, don't blame the messenger.....I m just truth seeker, not a dreamer

[gc83uk]

don't get upest GC, after all, your donor and its evolution is the best advocate for Gho.... if it keeps on being almost pristine with a tiny loss, then it will force people to shut up.

I'm wondering if Gho will reply to the open letter, I forwarded it, Pierre said he will froward it to him!!!

if 85% is real, it's a very expensive cure or sort of... until we have better... which competitors should really start to think about!!!


and also, it's time that people, massively drop pills that kill your erection or topical that maintain you 52 hairs on scalp with two applications a day!!!

stop feeding this business, spread the will of a regenerative medecine and regen transplant.

Don't worry, I'm not upset in the slightest, I'm just talking aloud

[caddarik79]

If you want to see my recipient, you address me, not Arashi.

Secondly, until you start to show some respect, you won't be seeing Jack shit.

don't get upest GC, after all, your donor and its evolution is the best advocate for Gho.... if it keeps on being almost pristine with a tiny loss, then it will force people to shut up.

I'm wondering if Gho will reply to the open letter, I forwarded it, Pierre said he will froward it to him!!!

if 85% is real, it's a very expensive cure or sort of... until we have better... which competitors should really start to think about!!!


and also, it's time that people, massively drop pills that kill your erection or topical that maintain you 52 hairs on scalp with two applications a day!!!

stop feeding this business, spread the will of a regenerative medecine and regen transplant.

[gc83uk]

Arashi

How we gonna assess GCs recipient? Are Gcs pics good enough to count hairs from hst 1-3?

If you want to see my recipient, you address me, not Arashi.

Secondly, until you start to show some respect, you won't be seeing Jack shit.

[didi]

Arashi

How we gonna assess GCs recipient? Are Gcs pics good enough to count hairs from hst 1-3?

[534623]

In my opinion, keeping this section exclusive to Dr. Gho is basically giving him special treatment like Apple ...

I think it's rather like Microsoft and its operating systems ...


That means, it doesn't matter about which technique we are talking (HST, HSI, Stick&Place et) - it's all about GHO.

And here is what you can expect in future in this field ...


Oh, and here again THE reason ...

[hellouser]

TBT removed Ghos section...it was about time.

Uh, it wasn't removed, it was renamed seeing how there are (and most likely will be) other players in the hair multiplication game. We have Gho, Nigam (potentially) that French doctor and *hopefully* Dr. Wesley and if some or all of those procedures allow for licensing or workarounds, there will be many more.

In my opinion, keeping this section exclusive to Dr. Gho is basically giving him special treatment like Apple, like calling all phones 'phones' except if its an apple phone (iPhone). Good move to have all relevant topics end up in one spot.

[Arashi]

I'd have to agree with Gaz, Didi. We can't know for sure yet that there's no generation ever happening. What we do know is that there wasn't much regeneration in GC's 3rd case. But claiming that they now deserve to go bankrupt is overdoing it. There's just no such proof that they're fraudsters. I think they could get punished though for advertising with 85%, while obviously that doesn't always happen. And maybe it never happens, who knows, we don't, all we know is that it didnt happen in GC's case.

[534623]

It's a nice result but they accomplished it by splitting grafts, not by "multiplying hair".

Let's summarize what we know:
- HASCI only targets multi-hair follicular units for extraction. This is because the procedure is based on splitting hair grafts and you can't split a 1-hair unit. It has absolutely nothing to do with using the other hair as a guide or whatever silly excuse you want to come up with.
- The vast majority of hairs in a HST patient's recipient are 1-hair units. Of course when you extract multi-hair units in the donor and they all end up as one-hair units in the recipient, then you are splitting grafts. The same thing happened for the majority of the extractions in the donor as well from my own analysis.
- There are no 3-hair units in the recipient because 4+ hair units are rare and the needles are too small to handle them anyway.
- There is visible proof of massive amounts of transected/split hair grafts from the famous petri dish photos.
- We know there are a huge number of failed extractions from multiple patients. These "failed extractions" will grow back and will be misinterpreted as "donor regeneration." If you have a 1:1 useful to failed extraction ratio, you could have what appears to be 50% regeneration from those alone!
- The lack of scarring is because HASCI uses: a) very small needles plus b) splits grafts meaning that follicles are still left behind.
- HASCI doesn't want to share the technique with experienced doctors, at their own expense!, because they'll be exposed.
- Not a single piece of conclusive proof from HASCI. Not even a simple patch test let alone NW6/7->NW2/1 transformations.

I really don't know or understand.

I'm pretty sure he realizes it's all bullshit at this point so he's either seriously deluding himself because he invested so much into this, both emotionally and financially, and doesn't want to admit he was wrong. Or he's a shill.

Okay - let's SEE again who's the one who is indeed seriously deluding himself:

http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showthread.php?t=11297&page=2

And here you even posted a nice stat - in detail:

http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showpost.php?p=104269&postcount=22

Sorry JJJJrS, but according to all these FACTS, actually, your own and for everybody verifiable facts, all your complete ridiculous claims - sorry, but they really don't match!

It's exactly what gc said ... and with my own words:
LOSERS just try to find hairs in the soup in an ridiculous effort to find "a good reason" not to buy it. Losers ...

[534623]

I can imagine for this person in particular it would be very frustrating knowing that you can't afford the procedure and it must be equally frustrating to know of people who can afford and do go to Hasci and are treated with (arguably of course) good results, especially a year ago when it was believed to be more credible.

In their mind, it's good that (they believe) it's failed, because everyone can move on and put pressure on another Dr who can deliver for cheaper prices.

Exactly! Here is "a" proof ...

Haha and now Ironman is trying to make a case why it doesn't matter that you get only half the hair with HASCI. Nice one IM ! I hope your happy with your thin recipient !

[Arashi]

Should they lie?
Why do you lie? Couldn't you SEE around 80% out of "more than 100 analyzed extraction points" the donor regenerating?? It doesn't matter if there are 100 or 10000 extraction points - THE RATIO of around 80% donor regeneration is always the same!

With gc's 4th HST procedure - you can choose an area you want for an accurate analysis and you can choose extraction points as much as you want - the result will always be around 80% REGNERATION with growing hair in the extraction points again. Sorry, what else?

Ridiculous ...

And there I was, thinking you were actually just grumpy. But no, you just really don't understand it !! Read Didi's explanation, in red. And read it again and again until you get it.

[gc83uk]

I don't agree with this at all. Every sane hairloss sufferer wants a cure to come out. Once you can consistently double hair, then the possibilities are endless. Who, other than rivals, would want to hold that back? Cost is irrelevant here. Inevitably price will always go down over time.

The keyword here is Sane. Don't believe for a moment I was referring to you. There is one person in particular that despised Hasci because of their high prices.

I can imagine for this person in particular it would be very frustrating knowing that you can't afford the procedure and it must be equally frustrating to know of people who can afford and do go to Hasci and are treated with (arguably of course) good results, especially a year ago when it was believed to be more credible.

In their mind, it's good that (they believe) it's failed, because everyone can move on and put pressure on another Dr who can deliver for cheaper prices.

I won't quote exactly, but saying things like, wow Nigam is a game changer, Gho is sure to go Bankrupt now, smiley face here!

That's just retarded.